Fuel Management Suggestions?
07-13-05, 07:44 PM
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Fuel Management Suggestions?
Alright. I'm new to this particular forum, and I'd like to say that it is monumentally superior to the sites I've always frequented.
I'm in the process of putting my 10AE back on the road after a year of downtime. It's streetported w/3mm seals and a full 3 inch (straight!) and all the normal stuff (emissions removed/hyper grounds/etc). I just finished the install on the BNR Hybrid (stage 2). I'm using an S5 manifold/turbo with the factory TID. I have a walbro 255, and I'm getting ready to install 720 secondaries, and I'm still undecided on my fuel management. I've been hearing alot about this rtek 1.7, and I was thinking about using that in conjuntion with an SAFC2.
I know it's not a Haltech, but for the money and the amount of boost I plan to run, I think that it'll be good. I'm only looking for 12lbs or so... whatever puts me at the 300rwhp mark on the stock intercooler (for the moment, I plan to upgrade, of course.) I plan on having Rotorsports here in NC tune the car. Tell me what you guys think! Any suggestions/comments? Thank you, adrian
I'm in the process of putting my 10AE back on the road after a year of downtime. It's streetported w/3mm seals and a full 3 inch (straight!) and all the normal stuff (emissions removed/hyper grounds/etc). I just finished the install on the BNR Hybrid (stage 2). I'm using an S5 manifold/turbo with the factory TID. I have a walbro 255, and I'm getting ready to install 720 secondaries, and I'm still undecided on my fuel management. I've been hearing alot about this rtek 1.7, and I was thinking about using that in conjuntion with an SAFC2.
I know it's not a Haltech, but for the money and the amount of boost I plan to run, I think that it'll be good. I'm only looking for 12lbs or so... whatever puts me at the 300rwhp mark on the stock intercooler (for the moment, I plan to upgrade, of course.) I plan on having Rotorsports here in NC tune the car. Tell me what you guys think! Any suggestions/comments? Thank you, adrian
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07-13-05, 07:52 PM
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07-14-05, 11:03 AM
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There is no point in running an Rtek chip in conjunction with an S-AFC...the Rtek 1.7 is already tuned for the 550cc/720cc combo. I would choose one or the other, or you can also use Greddy e-manage.
07-14-05, 03:54 PM
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The rtek is designed for use with the stock turbo at boost up to 12 pounds. With the bigger turbo creating a significantly larger amount of airflow at the same boost level (number of pounds), I don't think it would be able to give me a large enough fuel cushion by itself.
Do you think this new Emanage unit could handle my needs by itself? adrian
Do you think this new Emanage unit could handle my needs by itself? adrian
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07-14-05, 08:03 PM
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Yes, a standalone costs a lot of coin. But even if you are 'only' running 12 psi, there is nothing better than having an EMS. Heck, my friend ran his Haltech on a totally stock TII.
You get rid of the crappy TPS, crappy MAF, you can compensate for your crappy TMIC...get my drift. It takes away a lot of the the guesswork associated with the stock systems. It will improve driveability a lot.
You get rid of the crappy TPS, crappy MAF, you can compensate for your crappy TMIC...get my drift. It takes away a lot of the the guesswork associated with the stock systems. It will improve driveability a lot.
07-14-05, 10:46 PM
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I had Haltech on my first T II, good system but very unfriendly if you're going to install and tune yourself. On my former FD I used Microtech, better by far!!! That's what most of the big dudes in Puerto Rico and Australia are using, remember, those are the two rotary capitals of the world...Haltech faded into obscurity for rotaries there long time ago...that's 80's technology, at least they haven't changed much.
07-15-05, 10:27 AM
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I do not plan on tuning this car myself, as I would certainly destroy it in the process.
Anyone have anything to say about Rotorsports Racing in Charlotte NC?
Anyone have anything to say about Rotorsports Racing in Charlotte NC?
07-15-05, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by SidewaysFC
Greddy Ultimate Emanage ...new model came out.
it's too bad you still have to keep that damn AFM. not really an issue if you are running close to stock power levels, but becomes a problem if you turn up the boost or are using a crazy port (custom manifolds, etc.)...
this is my dillema with it...you can get all the features (fuel, timing, laptop tool, etc.) for under $400 if you know where to look, and it provides most of the TUNING aspects you would want, but it's still a piggyback in the end, you have to keep all the stock **** the ECU needs to run.
but IMO if you are planning to get a SAFCII NEW, spend a little extra to get the E-manage.
look around the internet on how to get the components for it cheap....
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07-15-05, 11:24 AM
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the rtec is a good set up for stock turbo but a little bigger turbo i would go with a wolf3d its made for rx7 the specially put a flood clear and it shows you your sweep for your tps you can add coils in almost any configuration and in the pics you have a hand held conroller every thing you need in one unit but for the money the rtec cant be beet
07-15-05, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by RX_AV8TR
On my former FD I used Microtech, better by far!!! That's what most of the big dudes in Puerto Rico and Australia are using, remember, those are the two rotary capitals of the world...Haltech faded into obscurity for rotaries there long time ago...that's 80's technology, at least they haven't changed much.
I always recommend someone run whatever their tuner recommends. Or if you're going to install and tune yourself, go download each EMS's software, compare specs, and see what you're most comfortable with.
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07-15-05, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by SavannaAE
The rtek is designed for use with the stock turbo at boost up to 12 pounds. With the bigger turbo creating a significantly larger amount of airflow at the same boost level (number of pounds), I don't think it would be able to give me a large enough fuel cushion by itself.
Do you think this new Emanage unit could handle my needs by itself? adrian
Do you think this new Emanage unit could handle my needs by itself? adrian
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Originally Posted by SidewaysFC
The new emanage is comparible to EMS now, not SAFC. Do a quick search on TEAMFC3S ...has links to a dealer for roughly $550 ...and from what I am told, more friendly than Microtech, but don't quote me on that because I have no experience with either.
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ultradef: You know, I'll conceed to that, I've been away from the market for about five years now, but, I said that because Haltech hasn't come up with anything much different than I used back in '94.
I'm not sure what you mean about sending the Microtech for reprogram since the software supports any setup and is fully programable, I started close to stock and was able to fully adjust ingition and fuel cycle parameters throughout all the RPM range on the dyno to compensate any lean spikes after porting, 1200cc inj, Rotary Pro Pak and a TO4E. Maybe there's a new model out.
Dennis Blackstone mentioned the Wolf3D, I've heard a lot of good things about that one too.
I'm not sure what you mean about sending the Microtech for reprogram since the software supports any setup and is fully programable, I started close to stock and was able to fully adjust ingition and fuel cycle parameters throughout all the RPM range on the dyno to compensate any lean spikes after porting, 1200cc inj, Rotary Pro Pak and a TO4E. Maybe there's a new model out.
Dennis Blackstone mentioned the Wolf3D, I've heard a lot of good things about that one too.
07-15-05, 10:06 PM
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This is the best forum. Ever.
Thanks for all the input... you guys keep mentioning the MAF/TPS as being significant downfalls for the tuning strategy. Why is that, exactly?
Thanks for all the input... you guys keep mentioning the MAF/TPS as being significant downfalls for the tuning strategy. Why is that, exactly?
08-31-05, 01:20 PM
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anyone who has any experiance with the E-Manage, I'm decided on the fact that I'm going with an EMS, but right now the only one that appeals to me is the Haltech E11v.2, but I don't have the ~$2k for it as of now. What I'm wondering is since I'm planning on porting my engine when it blows (bigtime, 6 port BP, maybe semi-PPort along with it), would I be better off waiting on the haltech or if I should go for the short run and get the E-Manage ultimate?
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The Haltech vs. Microtech thing seems to come up every once and a while. After having experience with both, I would have to say that it's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. Use whatever your tuner is most comfortable with.
If you're a DIY type of person, the Megsasquirt is very nice as well. I've done a bunch of piston cars, but not on a rotary yet. Based on my experiences and the fact that they just got rotary ignition working with the Squirt n'Spark, I can't wait to get one running on a rotary.
If you're a DIY type of person, the Megsasquirt is very nice as well. I've done a bunch of piston cars, but not on a rotary yet. Based on my experiences and the fact that they just got rotary ignition working with the Squirt n'Spark, I can't wait to get one running on a rotary.
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Aaron, it Rocks on the rotary, even for a complete EFI tuning n00b like myself..
Well, I hope i'm not THAT n00b anymore.
Falcoms - The one thing that's been mentioned three times so far that you have overlooked, is people saying "check with your tuner". Seriously, even though a VE map is a VE map, there's still tricks that you tuner probably knows with one system that they don't with the other. At 60 dollars an hour, or more, on the dyno, the couple hundred dollar difference between the different systems will be negligable, if it takes more time to tune.
I love my Megasquirt, but I don't have any experience with the expensive systems.
Well, I hope i'm not THAT n00b anymore.
Falcoms - The one thing that's been mentioned three times so far that you have overlooked, is people saying "check with your tuner". Seriously, even though a VE map is a VE map, there's still tricks that you tuner probably knows with one system that they don't with the other. At 60 dollars an hour, or more, on the dyno, the couple hundred dollar difference between the different systems will be negligable, if it takes more time to tune.
I love my Megasquirt, but I don't have any experience with the expensive systems.
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You can also buy prebuilt units for about twice the price if you're not good at soldering. Since most people's soldering skills border on abysmal, this is what I generally recommend.
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No ****. The stuff I have pulled out of other people's standalone installs makes me want to vomit. I continually find it amazing that people will spend thousands on a standalone, but totally cheap out when it come to connectors, heat shrink, harness wrap, and oh yeah, SOLDERING SKILLS! It's not like soldering at this level is hard to master either. It just takes a little bit of practice, and this practice should not be the actual install...
Don't even get me started on the haphazard way people run their harnesses, the total lack of effort put into joint insulation (electrical tape is not for electrical joints, for the love of god people! Adhesive filled heat shrink...learn it...live it...), odd mounting arrangements, wire taps leading every which way, lack of fuses, etc...I could go on.
It's not like soldering at this level is hard to master either. It just takes a little bit of practice, and this practice should not be the actual install...Don't even get me started on the haphazard way people run their harnesses, the total lack of effort put into joint insulation (electrical tape is not for electrical joints, for the love of god people! Adhesive filled heat shrink...learn it...live it...), odd mounting arrangements, wire taps leading every which way, lack of fuses, etc...I could go on.