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Old Jan 27, 2009 | 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT
When someone does buy one, they should rig it, test it, go to the dyno, make a run, put the original intake on, make a run, and post results.

One test > 1,000 expert opinions.
I've got one that I would be willing to offer up for free if someone would dyno test it. Obviously I have some stipulations( 400+rwhp and gotta be done in a reasonable time frame)
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Old Feb 16, 2009 | 03:18 PM
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there is a kit on ebay,it's not chrome (trying to keep the cost low) but it works..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/manif...Q5fAccessories
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Old Feb 16, 2009 | 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by JWteknix
I do have pictures there is a lot of Porting to to be done to directly match the S5 lim to fd with out an adator plate. The thing with the s4 is not the runners so much as it is with the mounting points when I get on my comp I'll post pix and info an adaptor is absolutely nessisary so is hole enlongation on the fd uim holes you will also have to do some thing with the mechanical Omp

so where are the pictures?

I would really rather not take the time to make my own if I don't have to.
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Old Feb 17, 2009 | 12:58 PM
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im currently in the process of find an adaptor plate already have the fd uim and tb w/ tps sensor just shopping/asking around looking for an adaptor current set up is street ported 13bt with hybrid turbo running on a microtech ... put out 301rwhp on stock 13bt now with the street port and fresh rebuild this should get interesting. so if anybody knows somebody with a cheap adaptor or someone who knows a shop/human that knows what they are doing. cause personally i do not want to mess with this s%$# ... HELP ME OUT PPL !!!
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Old Feb 17, 2009 | 01:14 PM
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pix are here
my adaptor is a one of a kind youll have to make your own
http://www.nopistons.com/forums/*****-forum-t74634.html
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Old Feb 17, 2009 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by fc3s91
Hey guys,
I will be make spacers again but they will be made out of cast aluminum. I'll have about 100 made. Im trying to keep the cost down. They should be ready in a month. So if you are interested lmk.
Thanks Robert
^ he's supposed to be making a batch, I just pmed him about when they'll be done, I'll post here when he responds.
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Old Feb 17, 2009 | 01:39 PM
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^ he's supposed to be making a batch, I just pmed him about when they'll be done, I'll post here when he responds.

only s5 though
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Old Feb 17, 2009 | 01:40 PM
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only s5 though
get an S5 LIM then, I'm fairly sure they bolt right up and are better anyway....
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Old Feb 17, 2009 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by r/t_turbo2
im currently in the process of find an adaptor plate already have the fd uim and tb w/ tps sensor just shopping/asking around looking for an adaptor current set up is street ported 13bt with hybrid turbo running on a microtech ... put out 301rwhp on stock 13bt now with the street port and fresh rebuild this should get interesting. so if anybody knows somebody with a cheap adaptor or someone who knows a shop/human that knows what they are doing. cause personally i do not want to mess with this s%$# ... HELP ME OUT PPL !!!
this is what i did use in my t2:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/manif...Q5fAccessories

and i'm very satisfied...
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Old Feb 17, 2009 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by JWteknix
pix are here
my adaptor is a one of a kind youll have to make your own
http://www.nopistons.com/forums/*****-forum-t74634.html
I like the title!

now do your bolts go through all three pieces or did you have to put studs in the spacer?
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Old Feb 17, 2009 | 01:48 PM
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thank you lol. I used the lim studs and extened them an inch then just have to slot the uim for the studs to pass thru
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Old Feb 17, 2009 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JWteknix
thank you lol. I used the lim studs and extened them an inch then just have to slot the uim for the studs to pass thru
so just to verify, you got longer studs for the lim and hogged out the holes on the UIM?
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Old Feb 17, 2009 | 01:55 PM
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exactly, but its more like an enlongation of the holes. search bluetII he has a wicked write up the pix are gone but still has great info in it
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Old Feb 17, 2009 | 03:24 PM
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How does one address the problem of the FD TPS with the S5 ECU?
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Old Feb 17, 2009 | 03:30 PM
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Old Feb 17, 2009 | 03:44 PM
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without the replacement of the ECU, I meant.

I would think that there would be a way, since the FD TPS is a 6 pin like the S5 TPS, with similar ranges for narrow and full, if I remember correctly.

I could be wrong though.
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Old Feb 17, 2009 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Roen
without the replacement of the ECU.
I don't know, look in the FD FSM... does the FD TPS report the same signal?

if it doesn't you might be able to design some sort of conditioning circuit...

I don't really have that problem, and am not a big fan of the stock ECU in the first place...
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Old Feb 17, 2009 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Roen
I would think that there would be a way, since the FD TPS is a 6 pin like the S5 TPS, with similar ranges for narrow and full, if I remember correctly.

I could be wrong though.
if that's the case, then just solder the FD tps to the S5 tps clip and you're good to go.
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Old Feb 17, 2009 | 03:48 PM
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I'm not thinking from a stock ECU standpoint, as much as I'm thinking from an Rtek standpoint, which has the simplicity of a non-labor intensive install, no re-wiring, uses stock sensors, full timing and fuel control, but is still limited in ways that the stock ECU is, such as TPS wiring.

Originally Posted by eage8
if that's the case, then just solder the FD tps to the S5 tps clip and you're good to go.
I was thinking that, but was hoping someone could confirm that it was, indeed, the case.
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Old Feb 17, 2009 | 04:38 PM
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I would just make the fc tps work on the FD throttle body.

By that I mean physically mount it to the throttle body replacing the FD TPS


-also if the top end value and bottom end resistance values match that is good but you need to make sure they are both non-linear or linear. And if they are non linear, you need to make sure they follow the same non-linearity.
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Old Feb 17, 2009 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ITSWILL
I would just make the fc tps work on the FD throttle body.

By that I mean physically mount it to the throttle body replacing the FD TPS
the FD TPS isn't a plunger type, it's totally different, it would probably be decently hard to get a FC tps to work.
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Old Feb 17, 2009 | 04:52 PM
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When I get home I will take a look at both, but if memory serves the fd is the spinny type, and mounted around the throttle shaft, correct?


either way mount an arm to the throttle shaft and have it push the plunger in and out.
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Old Feb 17, 2009 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ITSWILL
so just to verify, you got longer studs for the lim and hogged out the holes on the UIM?
to be exact we used a high grade .75" aluminum block (specific type of machining was used, forget the name) the problem with most adapters is they try to cut thru. you have .75" to match the ports USE IT. so what happened was i had the CNC cut only so deep straight with the ports and then we hand ported the blocks to match smoothly. no tight corners no bullshit. smooth flow all the way.

in fact i still have full blueprints and the cad files for the s5->fd AND s4->FD adapters. They're in the seat pocket of my FD

Only thing we never got to was triming the block to a curvy shape, in it's block shape it's easier to ensure a good seal, i prefer function to looks but whatever. if we did trim it to a curvy shape it still would've had proper seal space, stock amount of lip.

anyone wants to pay for raw materials i can probably get my friends to throw it thru the CNC again. Hell if they had access to a more advanced CNC machine i wouldnt have had to port it by hand at all.
on my s5 i didnt modify the UIM OR LIM...as far as i know jwteknix didnt port his s4 UIM OR LIM either...the design of the adapter made it unnecessary.

the problem with swapping mani's to dyno test is youd have to re-rewire your tps and other stupid small things, if i had a personal dyno id do it. Also dont forget you'll need to shorten you oil fill tube or buy the lower half of the FD tube. (if you can cut and weld you'll figure out a quick way to mod it as i did)

kevin.
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Old Feb 17, 2009 | 06:04 PM
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Thanx kev. There is also a write up on here that shows how to properly wire the fd tps to the s4 and s5
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Old Feb 17, 2009 | 06:11 PM
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I'm sorry if this sounds stupid but what is gained by using the FD UIM? Why not swap in the upper and lower? I'm guessing the ports are located differently? I'd like to see some dyno comparisons of FD and FC S4,S5 Manifolds... Sheet, Why not RE manifolds? or Custom?
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