DTSS bushing replacement
05-01-06, 09:43 PM
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DTSS bushing replacement
Everybody,
Does anyone make replacement bushings for the DTSS? All I can find are elimator bushings. Also, when it was new, did the system even work? Is it even worth it to look for replacements or should I just go with elimination? Thanks.
Does anyone make replacement bushings for the DTSS? All I can find are elimator bushings. Also, when it was new, did the system even work? Is it even worth it to look for replacements or should I just go with elimination? Thanks.
05-01-06, 11:28 PM
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Eliminate it and be happy you don't know what it really does. New DTSS sucks and it gets worse with age. The bushings are (in my opinion) the best suspension money I've spent on the FC's I own.
05-02-06, 11:57 AM
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Lower control arm? Upper control arm? Dare I ask, part number?
Are they #3 in the image at: MazdaPartsCheap image?
Are they #3 in the image at: MazdaPartsCheap image?
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yep, thats the one, DTSS is codename for super positive camber cornering bushing
05-02-06, 03:23 PM
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So the general consensus is just to eliminate the thing? If I do that, does the system just become extra weight? If it does, could I just remove the system, eliminating weight and upgrading the suspension? Thanks
05-02-06, 03:31 PM
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Here we go again...
I don't understand why so many Mazda fans and owners think that they are smarter than the Mazda engineers who designed the cars we all love.
About 2-3 time per year, someone asks this question and all the people who don't know answer the question first. So next time someone searches, all he finds are opinions, shaped by what someone else heard, about somone elses opinion based on what they heard, based on what 'real racers do'.
So all they find is Bull, so they ask the question in hopes of finding a good answer. And the cycle starts again.
The system was a breakthrough in sportscar suspension design when it was developed. Now, however, your car is 22 years old and EVERYTHING made of rubber is worn out.
If your car is not behaving right, it is not just the DTSS that is worn; everything made of rubber is worn. If you have worn shocks, saggy springs and all your bushings are shot, you don't need to start with the DTSS. You need to fix your car.
Start with the shocks.
Check the spring heights (This is a good time for some Eibach replacements).
Install a complete polyurethane bushing replacement kit.
Get a good quality alignment, *NOT* an alignment at the tire chain where they have the youngest cheapest techs and intend to give you just enough alignment to get you to leave them with your money.
Your car will drive completely different at this point.
Then, and only then should you consider f**kng with the basic suspension geometry of the car.
And if you don't have a very keen working knowledge of things like trailing brake oversteer and throttle-lift oversteer and trailing throttle oversteer, you probably need to learn to drive your car. Otherwise you are not a good enough track driver to even understand how the DTSS eliminators are going to affect the real life handling of your car.
Here is a pretty good thread that covers the topic.
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...9&page=1&pp=15
Lots of BS early on then some detailed information later in the thread. You can digest this thouroghly, or you can just accumulate more bad advice from people who heard something from someone who heard something.
Good luck.
About 2-3 time per year, someone asks this question and all the people who don't know answer the question first. So next time someone searches, all he finds are opinions, shaped by what someone else heard, about somone elses opinion based on what they heard, based on what 'real racers do'.
So all they find is Bull, so they ask the question in hopes of finding a good answer. And the cycle starts again.
The system was a breakthrough in sportscar suspension design when it was developed. Now, however, your car is 22 years old and EVERYTHING made of rubber is worn out.
If your car is not behaving right, it is not just the DTSS that is worn; everything made of rubber is worn. If you have worn shocks, saggy springs and all your bushings are shot, you don't need to start with the DTSS. You need to fix your car.
Start with the shocks.
Check the spring heights (This is a good time for some Eibach replacements).
Install a complete polyurethane bushing replacement kit.
Get a good quality alignment, *NOT* an alignment at the tire chain where they have the youngest cheapest techs and intend to give you just enough alignment to get you to leave them with your money.
Your car will drive completely different at this point.
Then, and only then should you consider f**kng with the basic suspension geometry of the car.
And if you don't have a very keen working knowledge of things like trailing brake oversteer and throttle-lift oversteer and trailing throttle oversteer, you probably need to learn to drive your car. Otherwise you are not a good enough track driver to even understand how the DTSS eliminators are going to affect the real life handling of your car.
Here is a pretty good thread that covers the topic.
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...9&page=1&pp=15
Lots of BS early on then some detailed information later in the thread. You can digest this thouroghly, or you can just accumulate more bad advice from people who heard something from someone who heard something.
Good luck.
05-02-06, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by chmercer
yep, thats the one
jack, could you tell me if the image I found references the DTSS bushings as part #3?
05-02-06, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Goofy
Are you referencing my question about the given image or raksj?
jack, could you tell me if the image I found references the DTSS bushings as part #3?
jack, could you tell me if the image I found references the DTSS bushings as part #3?
NO, the bushing itself is on the triaxle hub carrier, which is not in that picture
05-02-06, 06:53 PM
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Is the triaxle hub part #3 in this image? (Note: This is a different image even though I'm asking about #3 again.)
MazdaPartsCheap Image
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05-02-06, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Goofy
Is the triaxle hub part #3 in this image? (Note: This is a different image even though I'm asking about #3 again.)
MazdaPartsCheap Image
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05-02-06, 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by jackhild59
I don't understand why so many Mazda fans and owners think that they are smarter than the Mazda engineers who designed the cars we all love.
About 2-3 time per year, someone asks this question and all the people who don't know answer the question first. So next time someone searches, all he finds are opinions, shaped by what someone else heard, about somone elses opinion based on what they heard, based on what 'real racers do'.
So all they find is Bull, so they ask the question in hopes of finding a good answer. And the cycle starts again.
The system was a breakthrough in sportscar suspension design when it was developed. Now, however, your car is 22 years old and EVERYTHING made of rubber is worn out.
If your car is not behaving right, it is not just the DTSS that is worn; everything made of rubber is worn. If you have worn shocks, saggy springs and all your bushings are shot, you don't need to start with the DTSS. You need to fix your car.
Start with the shocks.
Check the spring heights (This is a good time for some Eibach replacements).
Install a complete polyurethane bushing replacement kit.
Get a good quality alignment, *NOT* an alignment at the tire chain where they have the youngest cheapest techs and intend to give you just enough alignment to get you to leave them with your money.
Your car will drive completely different at this point.
Then, and only then should you consider f**kng with the basic suspension geometry of the car.
And if you don't have a very keen working knowledge of things like trailing brake oversteer and throttle-lift oversteer and trailing throttle oversteer, you probably need to learn to drive your car. Otherwise you are not a good enough track driver to even understand how the DTSS eliminators are going to affect the real life handling of your car.
Here is a pretty good thread that covers the topic.
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...9&page=1&pp=15
Lots of BS early on then some detailed information later in the thread. You can digest this thouroghly, or you can just accumulate more bad advice from people who heard something from someone who heard something.
Good luck.
About 2-3 time per year, someone asks this question and all the people who don't know answer the question first. So next time someone searches, all he finds are opinions, shaped by what someone else heard, about somone elses opinion based on what they heard, based on what 'real racers do'.
So all they find is Bull, so they ask the question in hopes of finding a good answer. And the cycle starts again.
The system was a breakthrough in sportscar suspension design when it was developed. Now, however, your car is 22 years old and EVERYTHING made of rubber is worn out.
If your car is not behaving right, it is not just the DTSS that is worn; everything made of rubber is worn. If you have worn shocks, saggy springs and all your bushings are shot, you don't need to start with the DTSS. You need to fix your car.
Start with the shocks.
Check the spring heights (This is a good time for some Eibach replacements).
Install a complete polyurethane bushing replacement kit.
Get a good quality alignment, *NOT* an alignment at the tire chain where they have the youngest cheapest techs and intend to give you just enough alignment to get you to leave them with your money.
Your car will drive completely different at this point.
Then, and only then should you consider f**kng with the basic suspension geometry of the car.
And if you don't have a very keen working knowledge of things like trailing brake oversteer and throttle-lift oversteer and trailing throttle oversteer, you probably need to learn to drive your car. Otherwise you are not a good enough track driver to even understand how the DTSS eliminators are going to affect the real life handling of your car.
Here is a pretty good thread that covers the topic.
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...9&page=1&pp=15
Lots of BS early on then some detailed information later in the thread. You can digest this thouroghly, or you can just accumulate more bad advice from people who heard something from someone who heard something.
Good luck.
nicely put.
05-03-06, 11:50 AM
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Wow, I did a search for "DTSS PIC" and look what I found in the first thread!
http://pengaru.com/~swivel/cars/rx-7/pics/09-05-2001/
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...light=dtss+pic
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EDIT: BTW, there is also another current thread discussing this...
https://www.rx7club.com/2nd-generation-specific-1986-1992-17/wtf-fc-rear-steering-535781/
http://pengaru.com/~swivel/cars/rx-7/pics/09-05-2001/
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...light=dtss+pic
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EDIT: BTW, there is also another current thread discussing this...
https://www.rx7club.com/2nd-generation-specific-1986-1992-17/wtf-fc-rear-steering-535781/
Last edited by Trav; 05-03-06 at 11:52 AM.
05-03-06, 04:52 PM
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Good call on the pictures Tray. Mazda doesn't sell the DTSS bushing directly, you have to buy a whole new hub as shown below. I've heard Mazda didn't feel people could properly press in a "compressable bushing" without damaging it.
05-03-06, 11:18 PM
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Is there someone out there w/ enough skill to fab replacements? When I upgrade my suspension, I would like to try out DTSS that works before I chose whether or not to eliminate it. Thanks much
05-04-06, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Maffic
Everybody,
Does anyone make replacement bushings for the DTSS? All I can find are elimator bushings. Also, when it was new, did the system even work? Is it even worth it to look for replacements or should I just go with elimination? Thanks.
Does anyone make replacement bushings for the DTSS? All I can find are elimator bushings. Also, when it was new, did the system even work? Is it even worth it to look for replacements or should I just go with elimination? Thanks.
Hi!
If there are no replacement bushing available, is it possible to make some at home? So... take a poly urethane block (with an adequate stiffness) and a lathe -> new dtss bushings?
Just an idea, or is there something super special about the mazda dtss rubber bushing that you could not build bushings "at home"?
Daniel