Crab

wow. rawk. first day on the forum, and i see Anime, Mods to the cars, and all kinds of other sweet posts out here. luv it.

heres my question, and im sure many peeps will laugh at it.... but just stop and think.... how fast will it be. LOL

I have a 1995 ford aspire. (made by kia) i want to put a 13b engine into it, replacing the 67 hp little 4 cyl. that's in there now. i saw as i cruzed the boards that some one had EVA unit 01 as there icon. keen. because thats what my car looks like now with it's paintjob. ^_^

anyway, inorder to do this project, i need spec's and dimensions of the 13b with and without turbo. i need to know how to bend my tube frame to fit, etc etc. and what drive trains i can use. if i could get it to work on a subaru tranny.... wheeeew look out, because i'd be pushin' a 1400lb car with all 4 tires. =)

any ideas and/or resources would be WAY appreciated. thx.

-Josh
--Insaine with the rest of 'yall

Coolidge

That would certainly be a sleeper!
Your best bet would be to buy a wrecked RX-7 and swap in the whole engine/transmission/rear end. You will have to shorten the driveshaft of course and most likely shorted the axles so it fits easier with your narrower car. Also, a transmission tunnel will have to be put into the car to make it RWD, just of regular sheet metal. It's going to be a lot of custom work, but this is definitely the best/easiest/cheapest way to get a 13B into a car like that. The firewall will have to be modified to acccept the transmission. Custom sub-frame up front for the engine most likely. I'm not too sure. Guys have done this with CRX's and with lots of old Toyotas and Datsuns, especially in Peurto Rico. 99% of them swap in a TII engine and drivetrain.

rico05

I have nothing to add except....DAMN I like the way you think! Now if we could just get a Supra owner to smarten up! Keep us posted!!!! Sound really awesome!

Mobius

I had a similiar idea. Except with an 81 toyota corolla.

LOL. No one would ever suspect a 13b packing corolla. Gives a wholes new meaning to: concealed weapon.

rico05

I want the Datsun 510 w/ the full TII engine/drivetrain in SCC!

Kurgan

isnt the aspire FWD? If so... you may be able to use an old VW tranny (rear engine). I know someone sells an adapter for a 13b for a VW tranny (I've seen this setup on sandrails).

rx7_ragtop

I would think that a Mazda 323 drivetrain would be easy to adapt... and the 323 GTX is AWD (If you can find a rusty/wrecked one to snag parts from.)

Brad

Angel Guard Racing Team

A friend of mine has a TurboII 1990 CRX. Running on the street!!!! That thing kicks ***, but too much money was spent.

Crab

sorry i havent been posting on this. i've been away on a business trip. the input is great. now, if i could get the erebuni people to stop being asses when i call... (we have _NO_ aplication for your car.... [me] well, can i please have the bolt pattern for those rims? they fit on a fiot... i can probably make it work... Sir, we have absolutely no application for your vehicle. *click*

and i really like those monorazza rims too.



as soon as i get my new car, (company lease, i buy from them next month) this project starts rolling. ^_^

if anyone has any ideas, i'd love to hear them!

Helixcoil@aol.com ... fire away!

-Josh
--Sr. Tech Support
--- Electronic Data Systems.

no, we dont really round up cats. and its not really anything like what i do.

Crab

sorry i havent been posting on this. i've been away on a business trip. the input is great. now, if i could get the erebuni people to stop being asses when i call... (we have _NO_ aplication for your car.... [me] well, can i please have the bolt pattern for those rims? they fit on a fiot... i can probably make it work... Sir, we have absolutely no application for your vehicle. *click*

and i really like those monorazza rims too.



as soon as i get my new car, (company lease, i buy from them next month) this project starts rolling. ^_^

if anyone has any ideas, i'd love to hear them!

Helixcoil@aol.com ... fire away!

-Josh
--Sr. Tech Support
--- Electronic Data Systems.

no, we dont really round up cats. and its not really anything like what i do.

Crab

oops... it posted twice. sry.

darkwaveboi

why put a tII engine/drivetrain in? if you want a TII, just buy a TII, it'll be cheaper.


just playin

Jeff

-been post whoring lately. but not a moderator =(

HN

if you really want to make a sleeper use an older chevy sprint already rear wheel drive. or chevette.

Crab

my car has some history behind it. thats my main reason for using this aspire...k and its light. i dont think you can get much lighter

peejay

you are NOT going to bolt any rotary to a transverse transaxle. period...

however the B6T engine (from 323GTX and Capri Turbo) is pretty much a direct bolt-in to the Aspire... the 1.3l four in the Aspire is the same block, basically, as the 1.6l DOHC. The 1.8l engine is longer and is not a straight swap, though.

Crab

it's deffinately getting a rotary engine. i am going to make this work no matter what.

does anyone know how rotary behaves with nitrous? methods of input into the engine? plate/inject?

RETed

One step further... (warning, 1.0M .mpg file)

http://204.244.174.73/~blak94gsx/mov...rotor_AE86.asx


Not an 81, but it's an AE86.



-Ted

peejay

Hooking it up to a transverse transaxle means the right side axleshaft will be right where the exhaust manifold and turbo are. You can't move the shaft, and you can't move the manifold. It flat won't work.

Crab

hmmm.... no, it wont be front wheel drive, so it wont use the transaxle... im not visualising what your saying... maby im just stupid :¬Þ
on the 13b, the turbo is in the back of the engine ... aobut 12 inches from center engine. so the firewall would haveto be fixed... but the exhaust should be able to be routed arround just about anything.... hmmm. please explain more...

peejay

I'm assuming it would be FWD. You can't mate a Mazda rotary to a transverse (side-to-side engine) tranny because the long axleshaft would physically have to be where the exhaust manifold is... It's not a question of "rerouting exhaust", it's a question of "there's an axle directly in front of the exhaust ports, now what??"

Now, if you want it to be RWD... The turbo isn't in the back, the turbo is next to the engine. (On the bottom right-hand side) You'll need to engineer a completely new steering mechanism, the rack and pinion is where the engine and transmission have to be. You'll also need to engineer a new rear suspension, cut apart the floor and put in a HUGE tranny hump, and cutting the floor up means massive structural strength issues, which means roll cage is a very good idea, moreso since you're going to need to strengthen the body at whatever you decide to use for a rear suspension (cage is the best way to do that) etc etc...

Nothing is not doable, the question is, do you have the fabrication skills, and the time, and the money?

Crab

hehe... money: yes. 20 yrs old, as a senior tech support agent leaves me with lots of extra throwaway money when I want it lol...
Fabrication skills, yes. Not myself exclusively, but a lot of work will be done in a shop. I also have access to CNC machines, that I can use to fabricate items needed... however, from what you say, it looks like I’ll need to look at my engine map. To be honest, I haven’t even taken into consideration the transmission. Silly me.

I have my car on a sun UG machine in wire frame, and I’m putting it together as I go. Any resources I can go to where I can get the dimensions of this? It’s winter here in Michigan, and to sit out in the cold measuring these parts is not fun.

I haven’t started yet, so all this input is exceptionally appreciated. It’s good to view all this from as many viewpoints as possible.

This has been a project milling’ around in my head for about a year now, and I just recently came into the resources to do it (or so I had thought). I’ll see if I can find them from Mazda anywhere in *.pad documents… I know GM stores the files in pad and pdf with full layout part for part, and you can put those directly into the UG workstations and get a simple wire frame model. If anyone happens to have access to any of these, definitely shoot them over to me at helixcoil@aol.com.

Thanks again. Great info.

-Josh

HWO

NOT TRUE

Over here, there is a Mini, with a 12A Bridge Port in it, with a Toyota Celica front wheel drive gearbox attached, DRIVING THE FRONT WHEELS.............

it CAN BE DONE - I HAVE SEEN IT DONE

peejay

I want to see pics!