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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 12:47 AM
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Coilovers

what coilovers?
mostly street use
some track
and be suited for drifting but at the same time handle amazingly

thinking under 1k

like tien basics kinda
any ideas or input on coilovers you owned?

which ones would be best for pretty much all around
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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 05:09 AM
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just make sure

its damped properly for the spring rate, you see a lot of lowered cars bouncing around like pogo sticks.. like mine.. gotta get that fixed
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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 08:31 AM
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if you want some amazing handling, be prepared to spend almost $2k.
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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 09:02 AM
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if your just going to use it mostly on the street and for the occasional track day or autoX just get a better set of springs and struts
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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 09:04 AM
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No amount of expensive coilovers are going to make you handle "awesome" until you've sorted out the chassis first... (meaning replace the 20 year-old rubber bushings, engine/diff/tranny mounts, install braces all over the place, etc)

Not to mention that wheels and tires are WAAAY above coilovers in terms of handling upgrades.
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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Valkyrie
No amount of expensive coilovers are going to make you handle "awesome" until you've sorted out the chassis first... (meaning replace the 20 year-old rubber bushings, engine/diff/tranny mounts, install braces all over the place, etc)

Not to mention that wheels and tires are WAAAY above coilovers in terms of handling upgrades.
Not true on the FC.

Without being able to dial camber into the front of the car (read coilovers) the stickiest tires in the world won't help you much.

Yes tires are the most important aspect of grip (in the general sense) but if you have no front camber you only have an inch wide contact patch anyway, and half of that will be sidewall.

For any respectable handling at all coilovers are a must for the FC chassis.

Been there, done that. My car with coilovers isnt even the same car than it was when i had RB springs and KYB AGX shocks in the stock configuration.
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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 11:51 AM
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Alright thanks

well once i get under the car and check everything out i'm planning on replacing the bushings and what not just for some insurance with the coilovers
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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 12:03 PM
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If your looking for a good set of coilovers at a decent price I'd look in to getting Stance coilovers. I have them on my fc and they are really nice, great dampening too. Id say they would probably be my top choice for anything under $2k. And as everyone else said be sure to replace all the stock bushings, and if you want really good handling you might want to look into the different chassis bracing options that are out there but for a street car coilovers should be plenty.
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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RockLobster
Not true on the FC.

Without being able to dial camber into the front of the car (read coilovers) the stickiest tires in the world won't help you much.

Yes tires are the most important aspect of grip (in the general sense) but if you have no front camber you only have an inch wide contact patch anyway, and half of that will be sidewall.

For any respectable handling at all coilovers are a must for the FC chassis.

Been there, done that. My car with coilovers isnt even the same car than it was when i had RB springs and KYB AGX shocks in the stock configuration.

I would agree that coilovers will give a big boost (mainly because they have spring rates that are 2-3 times as stiff as normal performance springs), but you're never going to notice the difference between 1200-dollar coilovers and 3000-dollar coilovers unless you have a hell of a chassis, tires, and wheels to go with it.
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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Driftboy
If your looking for a good set of coilovers at a decent price I'd look in to getting Stance coilovers. I have them on my fc and they are really nice, great dampening too. Id say they would probably be my top choice for anything under $2k. And as everyone else said be sure to replace all the stock bushings, and if you want really good handling you might want to look into the different chassis bracing options that are out there but for a street car coilovers should be plenty.
Not to sound like a dick but what are you comparing the Stances too?
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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Valkyrie
I would agree that coilovers will give a big boost (mainly because they have spring rates that are 2-3 times as stiff as normal performance springs), but you're never going to notice the difference between 1200-dollar coilovers and 3000-dollar coilovers unless you have a hell of a chassis, tires, and wheels to go with it.
True, but I have to go with Rocklobster. Until recently, this last Saturday actually, I hadn't experienced my car set up to fully utilize its suspension. Once you install coilovers you must set camber and toe angles properly with a 4-wheel alignment and some one that knows how to set up suspension. The difference is A.)just installing coilovers and going for a drive. You'll feel the car is lower and more responsive, but not 100% the way you want it and no amount of turning the ***** will get you there. OR B.) install the coilovers, set everything up, align it properly, and the drive. Not only will the car feel more stable in a corner on and off the gas, but the response is better than just slapping on the coilovers. Bushings, braces, cages, and bars go a long way to helping the chassis, but they often times split their duty 50/50. Half the time they are used to keep it rigid, half the time they are used to keep everything in sync.
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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 12:58 PM
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Not to sound like a dick but what are you comparing the Stances too?
I AM a dick. The cheaper, more popular option is not always the best. I've felt Stance on other cars and it feels okay, not first rate, but decent for the price. Put it on a Miata, FC, FD, and it feels like ****. Way too bouncy, rebound is ******' weird. Don't buy Stance.
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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by R3N5LOW
what coilovers?

thinking under 1k
on this budget he's better off with good springs struts and some adjustable camber plates

or he should save up till he can afford decent coilover set
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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by niburu
on this budget he's better off with good springs struts and some adjustable camber plates

or he should save up till he can afford decent coilover set
I agree
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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by dial8
I AM a dick. The cheaper, more popular option is not always the best. I've felt Stance on other cars and it feels okay, not first rate, but decent for the price. Put it on a Miata, FC, FD, and it feels like ****. Way too bouncy, rebound is ******' weird. Don't buy Stance.
But if you haven't felt them on an FC - how can you say that? What's out there in sub $1500 range for coilovers for an FC?
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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 02:00 PM
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But if you haven't felt them on an FC - how can you say that? What's out there in sub $1500 range for coilovers for an FC?
Re-read what I said. Then continue at the bottom. I have been fortunate enough to work with guys that have friends at a local speed shop. The shop, Mach III, pushes stance on everyone and everything and even tried to get me to buy some for daily driver civic . So having seen all of their cars in action, and knowing a rather dumb group of local Mazda owners, I say after driving the Miata and FC, and riding in the FD stay the **** away from stance. My opinion, don't take it as FACT, but I will buy stance the day I buy another Porsche. /rant.
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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 02:09 PM
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i just purchased megan coilovers. cheap entry level coilovers but i havent gotten to install them yet but ill let you know about the ride once im done.
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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 02:34 PM
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I'm debating between the Tein's SuperDrift or Type Flex personally. Just trying to debate if I want the stiffer spring rates right off the bat, or get the easy spring rates from the Flex and upgrade them later. I'll probably end up with the SuperDrift since it's only 30 dollars more and almost twice the spring rate.
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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 03:11 PM
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didnt read anything but go with stance..
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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 03:12 PM
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Stance on the FC feels good dialed in correctly in a built chassy, putting in stance on a unpreped 20 year old car is sloppy and feels like crap..its deffinatly not a plug and play sort of deal.
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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 03:15 PM
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Stiffer does not equal better.

I've got Flex's (replaced the front springs with 7kg/mm though) and am quite happy with them. I've seen the shock dynos, which are nice, so they've got good damping, I've read the reports of guys with 10's of thousands of miles on them, so they're durable, and they're servicable and re-valvable in the US, which is good. For a lower end coilover they're really good, excellent bang for the buck.
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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 03:22 PM
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http://farnorthracing.com/autocross_secrets6.html

koni yellows, gc sleeves, select ur own springs
will yield you a much better shock than most jdm integrated coilover sets

stance? not sure. good reviews, but see if u can't find a shock dyno.
tein flex. seem to be good as well.

few to non forum-goers know even the slightest thing about shock tuning... alot of what people say is good is actually crap. why? they are going by a butt dyno instead of a shock dyno. read up before you make a decision
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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Black91n/a
Stiffer does not equal better.

I've got Flex's (replaced the front springs with 7kg/mm though) and am quite happy with them. I've seen the shock dynos, which are nice, so they've got good damping, I've read the reports of guys with 10's of thousands of miles on them, so they're durable, and they're servicable and re-valvable in the US, which is good. For a lower end coilover they're really good, excellent bang for the buck.
From what I can tell the SuperDrifts are the same sort of deal as the Flex's but with stiffer springs. I'll have to double check the spring rates, but I think the Flex was around 200 and the Drifts were around 400.

7kg/mm translates to:391.981902 pounds / in

So maybe SuperDrifts better for out of the box?

Type Flex
Super Drift
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Originally Posted by aznpoopy
http://farnorthracing.com/autocross_secrets6.html

koni yellows, gc sleeves, select ur own springs
will yield you a much better shock than most jdm integrated coilover sets

stance? not sure. good reviews, but see if u can't find a shock dyno.
tein flex. seem to be good as well.

few to non forum-goers know even the slightest thing about shock tuning... alot of what people say is good is actually crap. why? they are going by a butt dyno instead of a shock dyno. read up before you make a decision
Good read . Will use that page soon, thanks.
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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 04:52 PM
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tein flex
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