2nd Generation Specific (1986-1992) 1986-1992 Discussion including performance modifications and technical support sections.

Can some please explain this (tranny differences)...

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Oct 20, 2002 | 12:39 PM
  #1  
SPDSTR 7's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 129
Likes: 0
From: San Jose, CA
Can some please explain this (tranny differences)...

Why does a TII tranny fits on NA engine but not an NA tranny to a TII engine? I know that the NA tranny is weak for a TII but I'm asking about the fitment. Or does a TII tranny fits on NA?
Reply
Old Oct 20, 2002 | 12:51 PM
  #2  
Cosmo Donk's Avatar
Queer
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 742
Likes: 0
From: Formerly in the Ass end of the pacific.
The NA tranny will bolt up to the T2 engine just fine. Maybe there will be a bolt in a different place on one but it will still bolt up. I think no one bothers because they are supposedly weak.
Reply
Old Oct 20, 2002 | 12:57 PM
  #3  
SPDSTR 7's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 129
Likes: 0
From: San Jose, CA
wow, that's good to know. Well, maybe just for a project, I'll try to drop in a TII engine on my NA. I'm just wondering how long the tranny will hold up.
Reply
Old Oct 20, 2002 | 01:04 PM
  #4  
Cosmo Donk's Avatar
Queer
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 742
Likes: 0
From: Formerly in the Ass end of the pacific.
There are people who have done it. I know a dude with an SC on his, maybe it is still there, and it worked fine.
Reply
Old Oct 20, 2002 | 01:05 PM
  #5  
SPDSTR 7's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 129
Likes: 0
From: San Jose, CA
Cool. Thanks man. A "turbocharged NA" project will start soon
Reply
Old Oct 20, 2002 | 02:05 PM
  #6  
HuggyBear's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 675
Likes: 0
From: Winnipeg, Manitoba
the bolt pattern is different at the rear end. its not a bolt on situation.

this info is assuming you are just swapping the tranny. my swap to a turbo tranny involved extending the bolt pattern and reinforcing the flange. simple job.
Reply
Old Oct 20, 2002 | 02:11 PM
  #7  
SPDSTR 7's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 129
Likes: 0
From: San Jose, CA
Well, what I was asking was if I can drop in a TII engine on NA without replacing the tranny.
Reply
Old Oct 20, 2002 | 02:31 PM
  #8  
hypntyz7's Avatar
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,052
Likes: 1
From: usa
This is the deal. The bellhousing bolt pattern for all rotary transmissions is the same. However the crossmember mounting position, crossmember itself, driveshaft yoke diameter, driveshaft length, rear driveshaft flange diameter, etc. are all different depending on year and model.

SO technically an NA tranny will bolt to a turbo engine, but it could not be installed in a turbo car. A turbo tranny will bolt to an NA engine, but it will also not work in an NA car. This is why you hear of people doing driveline conversions...everything from the flywheel back is different between a turbo adn nonturbo model...all the turbo stuff is larger.

You can use a turbo engine in your NA car using the NA drivetrain, but your clutch will slip like MAD. www.rotaryresurrection.com tech section under stage 1 turbo conversion.
Reply
Old Oct 20, 2002 | 02:43 PM
  #9  
knight1976's Avatar
Rotary Enthusiast
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,477
Likes: 0
From: Cibolo, TX
Would it still slip with an upgraded clutch?
Reply
Old Oct 20, 2002 | 02:56 PM
  #10  
hypntyz7's Avatar
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,052
Likes: 1
From: usa
Depends on the clutch, the driving style, and the engine mods. I did the swap once with a stock t2 engien and stock na clutch, and it slipped like mad. It would break loose in any gear after 4krpm, even if I eased the clutch out at takeoff/shifts before applying any throttle.

I'd say something like an act HD PP and 6 puck clutch would handle the powre just fine, until your tranny broke. IF youre gonna mod the t2 engine for 300hp though, even that might not hold.
Reply
Old Oct 20, 2002 | 03:15 PM
  #11  
RotorDemonGXL's Avatar
Full Member
Tenured Member 20 Years
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 122
Likes: 0
From: Salem, MA, USA
I'd be safe and go TII the whole route. If your gonna Turbo the motor, might want to stick with the TII tranny and a TII rear diff. Aaroncake is the guy to talk to on this one... If I'm not mistaken his NA/TurboII Swap is stickied somewhere.
Reply
Old Oct 21, 2002 | 06:48 PM
  #12  
SPDSTR 7's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 129
Likes: 0
From: San Jose, CA
Originally posted by hypntyz7
This is the deal. The bellhousing bolt pattern for all rotary transmissions is the same. However the crossmember mounting position, crossmember itself, driveshaft yoke diameter, driveshaft length, rear driveshaft flange diameter, etc. are all different depending on year and model.

SO technically an NA tranny will bolt to a turbo engine, but it could not be installed in a turbo car. A turbo tranny will bolt to an NA engine, but it will also not work in an NA car. This is why you hear of people doing driveline conversions...everything from the flywheel back is different between a turbo adn nonturbo model...all the turbo stuff is larger.

You can use a turbo engine in your NA car using the NA drivetrain, but your clutch will slip like MAD. www.rotaryresurrection.com tech section under stage 1 turbo conversion.
ok, just for me to understand it completely, I can just drop a TII engine on my NA without modifying the drivetrain right? I have an ACT HD SS clutch right now and that should do it ok I guess for now.
Reply
Old Oct 21, 2002 | 07:49 PM
  #13  
I wish I was driving!
Tenured Member 20 Years
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 5,241
Likes: 84
From: BC, Canada
Originally posted by SPDSTR 7
ok, just for me to understand it completely, I can just drop a TII engine on my NA without modifying the drivetrain right? I have an ACT HD SS clutch right now and that should do it ok I guess for now.
if you swap on the NA flywheel, yes.
Reply
Old Oct 21, 2002 | 09:20 PM
  #14  
SPDSTR 7's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 129
Likes: 0
From: San Jose, CA
Ok, so the NA flywheel can be bolt on to the TII engine?
Reply
Old Oct 21, 2002 | 09:52 PM
  #15  
Cosmo Donk's Avatar
Queer
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 742
Likes: 0
From: Formerly in the Ass end of the pacific.
Check the weights of the flywheels because the have the counterweights integrated in them. I am not certain so hopefully someone else will see this for the answer If the weights are the same then knock yourself out
Reply
Old Oct 21, 2002 | 10:00 PM
  #16  
I wish I was driving!
Tenured Member 20 Years
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 5,241
Likes: 84
From: BC, Canada
Originally posted by Cosmo Donk
Check the weights of the flywheels because the have the counterweights integrated in them. I am not certain so hopefully someone else will see this for the answer If the weights are the same then knock yourself out
counterweights are the same within series.

Thus, if you have an S5 TII engine, you need an S5 NA flywheel. Tranny series doesn't matter, only the engine and the flywheel series must match.
Reply
Old Oct 21, 2002 | 10:08 PM
  #17  
SPDSTR 7's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 129
Likes: 0
From: San Jose, CA
These are great info guys. Thanks for all your replies. I'm gonna rate it a 5 star
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
rgordon1979
3rd Generation Specific (1993-2002)
40
Mar 15, 2022 12:04 PM
sinclair7seven
General Rotary Tech Support
11
Sep 11, 2015 10:15 AM
AXA
Single Turbo RX-7's
8
Sep 5, 2015 10:06 AM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:52 AM.