camden superchargers is all most done [ please read]
06-21-04, 07:45 PM
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camden superchargers is all most done [ please read]
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This is the stock ECU S\C setup for the 2ed gens
Thought you guys would enjoy this....
Later
Dan Atkins
This is the stock ECU S\C setup for the 2ed gens
Thought you guys would enjoy this....
Later
Dan Atkins
06-21-04, 08:24 PM
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your kit is very pricey.. i know its very high quality.. but there are a few ppl on here now doing the SC thign themselves and saving tons of money and getting the same power levels.. i hope this does well i was once going to buy this way back when i still had my n/a
06-21-04, 08:41 PM
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hmm another person with the 60% injector rumor.
have you proven this? this debate has come up before and nobody has yet.
the more air you put into the AFM. the higher it should go. all the way too 100%
I don't think the ECU even knows what the duty cycle is, let alone be able to stop / hold it at a certain one. ecu would only care about the pusle width.
have you proven this? this debate has come up before and nobody has yet.
the more air you put into the AFM. the higher it should go. all the way too 100%
I don't think the ECU even knows what the duty cycle is, let alone be able to stop / hold it at a certain one. ecu would only care about the pusle width.
06-21-04, 08:46 PM
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Yeh, I'm with you, Scott...After reading Hailer's thoughts on the subject, I decided to prove it to myself, with the meter on the ECU in a car hauling ***...I didn't find a limit (kinda freaky trying to look down at a meter while doing 100+), but they were WELL beyond the 50-60% mark...
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06-21-04, 10:29 PM
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Dan with all due respect, I am one of the freest spenders here (dumping 7K in a vert restoration and mod up) and I would not drop 4K on a supercharger. Why when I can buy a whole tii for that with spare change.
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06-22-04, 06:34 AM
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If you ever get a chance to drive an RX-7 with a belt driven supercharger - you will know why it's worth the price.
It's a natural born drift machine.
Way more low end torque.
Easy to pedal linear throttle response.
Oh yea - and it looks way cool..
It's a natural born drift machine.
Way more low end torque.
Easy to pedal linear throttle response.
Oh yea - and it looks way cool..
06-22-04, 06:43 AM
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Been wondering when you guys would release this thing- it does seem a bit pricey (more than most of us paid for our cars initially) but I do see a potentially high fun factor here. If you ever want to test one out on a 'vert- I'm your guy!! 
06-22-04, 07:40 AM
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I have to back Dan up also. I've helped install a stock TII engine in a Miata with one of there blowers on it. We used a 1st gen distributor with MSD box for retarding the timing and a fuel only computer. Nothing high tech at all. The torque was phenominal to say the least. Over 200ft/lbs from just under 3000 rpm to the 6500 rpm redline. Torque peaked at 230ft/lbs in there somewhere. Maxed out at 230HP to the rear tires. 0-60 in less than 5 seconds on old tires. Not to mention the sound from both ends of the car. A little pricey but it is a complete kit that can be improved upon if desired. Personally I like it alot.
06-22-04, 08:35 AM
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Amazing...Someone FINALLY creates a supercharger kit for the 2nd gen (which I have been hearing people beg for since this forum was created) and then people whine about the price!
06-22-04, 08:36 AM
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I'd buy it if I hit the lottery. I don't have an extra $4k to put into my car right now and if I did, I doubt the boss (my wife) would let me without giving me a bunch of **** first. I had to convince her to let me get my Haltech and that was right at $1K back when I got it.
06-22-04, 08:42 AM
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On another note, you guys have to cut these people some slack...if the topic of forced induction ever came up everyone jumped on board and said "I'll buy it, I'll buy it." Then someone from a reputable company takes the time to develop and test in the long term in order to release a kit. The price is pretty fair, just check out other supercharger kits for other cars...the problem is that the FC community isn't really a terribly wealthy group and they car you'd install the supercharger on is worth as much as the kit itself. I do hope someone slaps this baby on their credit card and has some results for us 
06-22-04, 09:32 AM
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Originally posted by introVert
Been wondering when you guys would release this thing- it does seem a bit pricey (more than most of us paid for our cars initially) but I do see a potentially high fun factor here. If you ever want to test one out on a 'vert- I'm your guy!!
Been wondering when you guys would release this thing- it does seem a bit pricey (more than most of us paid for our cars initially) but I do see a potentially high fun factor here. If you ever want to test one out on a 'vert- I'm your guy!!
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Aaron Cake :
Amazing...Someone FINALLY creates a supercharger kit for the 2nd gen (which I have been hearing people beg for since this forum was created) and then people whine about the price!
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Thankyou for your post on this matter I have seen the same thing. That is what pushed us into doing this was that people did not want to put a carb on there 2ed gens that there was no S\C kit to go out and buy right off the shelf so here is one.
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Mr. Gadget:
Dan with all due respect, I am one of the freest spenders here (dumping 7K in a vert restoration and mod up) and I would not drop 4K on a supercharger. Why when I can buy a whole tii for that with spare change.
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NOT to bash on you but some people just do not want to go turbo and the S\C is something differient. Rember this is a bolt on kit .
Dan
06-22-04, 10:04 AM
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Dan, your right and should be commended for all of your work on rotary engines. I am happy to say I am a customer as well. My point is that the cost barrier is a bit up there. I know you dumped a ton of cash into the R&D.
Look at the CAI 87' built. All he wanted to do was sell what he thought was an affordable CAI that most of the kids on the forum could afford. everyone jumped on the band wagon as it seemed like a great p[roduct (he even went to the trouble of insuring mandrel bends and such). Yet when order time came, nada. I think his price was like 285.
Personally I can afford. I am also one of those cats that wait until deep into the first model year or second year for bugs to be worked out and market price stabilize.
Also, please keep in mind when you use a public forum to sell your proucts, you now open yourself up to critisim good or bad. I do feel that your family has done wonders for the community and should be supported so that you continue your R&D. I just wish the opening price for your FI SC kit was a bit lower.
Look at the CAI 87' built. All he wanted to do was sell what he thought was an affordable CAI that most of the kids on the forum could afford. everyone jumped on the band wagon as it seemed like a great p[roduct (he even went to the trouble of insuring mandrel bends and such). Yet when order time came, nada. I think his price was like 285.
Personally I can afford. I am also one of those cats that wait until deep into the first model year or second year for bugs to be worked out and market price stabilize.
Also, please keep in mind when you use a public forum to sell your proucts, you now open yourself up to critisim good or bad. I do feel that your family has done wonders for the community and should be supported so that you continue your R&D. I just wish the opening price for your FI SC kit was a bit lower.
06-22-04, 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by Mr. Gadget
Dan, your right and should be commended for all of your work on rotary engines. I am happy to say I am a customer as well. My point is that the cost barrier is a bit up there. I know you dumped a ton of cash into the R&D.
Also, please keep in mind when you use a public forum to sell your proucts, you now open yourself up to critisim good or bad. I do feel that your family has done wonders for the community and should be supported so that you continue your R&D. I just wish the opening price for your FI SC kit was a bit lower.
Dan, your right and should be commended for all of your work on rotary engines. I am happy to say I am a customer as well. My point is that the cost barrier is a bit up there. I know you dumped a ton of cash into the R&D.
Also, please keep in mind when you use a public forum to sell your proucts, you now open yourself up to critisim good or bad. I do feel that your family has done wonders for the community and should be supported so that you continue your R&D. I just wish the opening price for your FI SC kit was a bit lower.
Dan
06-22-04, 10:38 AM
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But what does a bit lower mean? If the price dropped by $500.00 you would magically be able to afford it? If you want it, save up your cash and buy it These guys do have to set the price to offset some of the cost of buying all materials, design and testing. It's a reasonable cost...
The trouble is, these aren't EVO's or WRX's where people can blow money like crazy. The other day at our shop (www.z1auto.com) I heard of a customer spending $4000.00 on a pair of EVO MR (Japan only) seats. A Power Enterprises twin turbo kit for a 350Z costs just under $10,000.00 for a HP increase of only about 120 at the wheels. Dollar per HP, I'd expect a lot more.
Bottom line, we all want to run with the big boys since the FC has huge potential in either NA or turbo guise. But, unless you have access to a machine shop or are a business that can get considerable discounts on many items you gotta spend the $ for parts. Can't get something for nothing
These guys do have to set the price to offset some of the cost of buying all materials, design and testing. It's a reasonable cost...The trouble is, these aren't EVO's or WRX's where people can blow money like crazy. The other day at our shop (www.z1auto.com) I heard of a customer spending $4000.00 on a pair of EVO MR (Japan only) seats. A Power Enterprises twin turbo kit for a 350Z costs just under $10,000.00 for a HP increase of only about 120 at the wheels. Dollar per HP, I'd expect a lot more.
Bottom line, we all want to run with the big boys since the FC has huge potential in either NA or turbo guise. But, unless you have access to a machine shop or are a business that can get considerable discounts on many items you gotta spend the $ for parts. Can't get something for nothing
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06-22-04, 11:12 AM
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Hey Dan, a couple of questuons:
With regards to this info on the Camden site:
176Hp? The factory rates the 89-91 at 160Hp at the flywheel. Could you explain this number, couldn't be 176 MORE Hp 
, is this RWHP?
If all of these guys are right about the injectors not limiting out at 60%, is Camden recommending TII injectors or larger? Correct me if I'm wrong but are N/A injectors 460cc and TII's 550cc, the math shows TII's as only being approx. 20% larger?
I'll tell you that I have a lot of money into my 1991 N/A and won't be trading it for a TII, but adding a SC would be unique and cool at the same time. The next time I'm down from Canada to Seattle I am going to stop by and see the kit in person!
This Supercharger Kit will give you approximately 176 horsepower using your stock fuel injectors. If you are looking to get more horsepower in you're rotary, you will need to increase the flow capacity of your fuel injectors. Using your stock Mazda Rx7 13B ECU, we estimate you will get 35% more horsepower at the wheels by increasing your injector sizes.
, is this RWHP? If all of these guys are right about the injectors not limiting out at 60%, is Camden recommending TII injectors or larger? Correct me if I'm wrong but are N/A injectors 460cc and TII's 550cc, the math shows TII's as only being approx. 20% larger?
I'll tell you that I have a lot of money into my 1991 N/A and won't be trading it for a TII, but adding a SC would be unique and cool at the same time. The next time I'm down from Canada to Seattle I am going to stop by and see the kit in person!
06-22-04, 11:24 AM
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you know its kind of high in price, but it is bolt on, and will produce a great amount of horsepower...i think it will sell, becasue it is bolt on. I personally would love to buy it, but being 16 thats 3 months of car insurance...maybe next year i can pick on up
06-22-04, 11:32 AM
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Nice to see something 'new' come out.
I still have yet to locate a Turbo 2nd get around me for anywhere near $4000.
Strange isn't it? People expect something for nothing.
Originally posted by Mr. Gadget
Dan with all due respect, I am one of the freest spenders here (dumping 7K in a vert restoration and mod up) and I would not drop 4K on a supercharger. Why when I can buy a whole tii for that with spare change.
Dan with all due respect, I am one of the freest spenders here (dumping 7K in a vert restoration and mod up) and I would not drop 4K on a supercharger. Why when I can buy a whole tii for that with spare change.
Originally posted by Aaron Cake
Amazing...Someone FINALLY creates a supercharger kit for the 2nd gen (which I have been hearing people beg for since this forum was created) and then people whine about the price!
Amazing...Someone FINALLY creates a supercharger kit for the 2nd gen (which I have been hearing people beg for since this forum was created) and then people whine about the price!