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06-22-04, 12:12 PM
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The problem exists only because of the guys who went out and slapped on m90's and other similar chargers, and made their own brackets, idler assemblies, etc for well under $1k. This makes people look at $4k for a bolt-on and whine. If they never came out and did it themselves for considerably less, then people would be a lot less likely to complain. I definatly wouldn't buy the kit, simply because I can turbo it for under 1/5th the price, yeild more power (since I can include injectors/s-afc/fuel pump into that 1/5th mark). And best of all, if I break something, I can replace it for under $200, and the parts are easy to find. As for lag, well, I really don't have much to complain about with the 9.7:1 rotors. As for zbrown, and the others building their own setups, I'm sure you could make a good ammount of money designing a cost effective method of supercharging using the m90 or similar from other cars. It's definatly an impressive kit, but you've definatly targeted the wrong crowd for sales on this forum. Save the high-budget extremely dedicated guys, I don't think you're going to see much in the way of sales.
06-22-04, 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by jon88se
But what does a bit lower mean? If the price dropped by $500.00 you would magically be able to afford it? If you want it, save up your cash and buy it
These guys do have to set the price to offset some of the cost of buying all materials, design and testing. It's a reasonable cost...
But what does a bit lower mean? If the price dropped by $500.00 you would magically be able to afford it? If you want it, save up your cash and buy it
These guys do have to set the price to offset some of the cost of buying all materials, design and testing. It's a reasonable cost...Second part first, yeah, I said all of that, read my R& D comment and the praise for the familys work!!! I want them to be sucessful and continue the R&D in a bad way.
First part - Hell I can afford it if it was more, its a bang for the buck thing. I should just buy one just to fund the research.
06-22-04, 01:27 PM
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Well, another thing to remember is that they don't have kits all boxed up and ready to go. Since it wouldn't be such a common sale I bet they stock 2 kits and when one is ordered they put together another. I just hope they get a decent response since it's a situation where people asked for it and now it's here. I would like to know what "bugs" they found though...
06-22-04, 04:07 PM
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Looks like some really nice work. All I could suggest is adding aftercooling or going with a more refined compressor, but good job developing the first bolt on fc sc kit in a long time.
06-22-04, 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by Mr. Gadget
Second part first, yeah, I said all of that, read my R& D comment and the praise for the familys work!!! I want them to be sucessful and continue the R&D in a bad way.
First part - Hell I can afford it if it was more, its a bang for the buck thing. I should just buy one just to fund the research.
Second part first, yeah, I said all of that, read my R& D comment and the praise for the familys work!!! I want them to be sucessful and continue the R&D in a bad way.
First part - Hell I can afford it if it was more, its a bang for the buck thing. I should just buy one just to fund the research.
If I lived south of the border I would probably go for it, but with a 37% exchange rate this thing would cost me more like $5000 in Canada
Has anybody posted where the 176 Hp number came from?
06-22-04, 06:58 PM
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Re: Hey Dan, a couple of questuons:
Originally posted by asherwood
With regards to this info on the Camden site:
176Hp? The factory rates the 89-91 at 160Hp at the flywheel. Could you explain this number, couldn't be 176 MORE Hp
, is this RWHP?
If all of these guys are right about the injectors not limiting out at 60%, is Camden recommending TII injectors or larger? Correct me if I'm wrong but are N/A injectors 460cc and TII's 550cc, the math shows TII's as only being approx. 20% larger?
I'll tell you that I have a lot of money into my 1991 N/A and won't be trading it for a TII, but adding a SC would be unique and cool at the same time. The next time I'm down from Canada to Seattle I am going to stop by and see the kit in person!
With regards to this info on the Camden site:
176Hp? The factory rates the 89-91 at 160Hp at the flywheel. Could you explain this number, couldn't be 176 MORE Hp
, is this RWHP? If all of these guys are right about the injectors not limiting out at 60%, is Camden recommending TII injectors or larger? Correct me if I'm wrong but are N/A injectors 460cc and TII's 550cc, the math shows TII's as only being approx. 20% larger?
I'll tell you that I have a lot of money into my 1991 N/A and won't be trading it for a TII, but adding a SC would be unique and cool at the same time. The next time I'm down from Canada to Seattle I am going to stop by and see the kit in person!
As for the injectors go we used the stock injectors and when we put more pressure on the system the more fuel the motor got .
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koukifc3s: my question: is this kit street legal?
NO this kit is not smog or CARB leagal
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88IntegraLS: Looks like some really nice work. All I could suggest is adding aftercooling or going with a more refined compressor, but good job developing the first bolt on fc sc kit in a long time.
the after cooling you are refireing to is allready done the 2 upper injectors in the stock manifold are now moved to the lower S\C manifold so there is your cooling for the intake air.
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06-22-04, 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by asherwood
Has anybody posted where the 176 Hp number came from?
Has anybody posted where the 176 Hp number came from?
Dan
06-22-04, 07:17 PM
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I'm in for one, Dan, but I gotta get the wife her new car first, or she'll chop my ***** off! It was hard enough convincing her I needed $2600 worth of rebuild kit/housings/etc... for the car...Long story short, keep production going- we'll be there, sooner or later
06-23-04, 03:04 AM
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Yep, although I bitched about the price, I do have to recognize that I am whining only because I don't happen to have the dough. I think the bolt on kit is worth the money, and as soon as I rebuild, this could be the next mod I go for.
06-23-04, 10:09 PM
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Well, I am not complaining about the pricing just a little confused. If I buy a supercharger kit from you guys for a carb conversion, it's around $2000. For $3600 what more would I get other than a $100 FPR? Seems like for $3600 you could atleast throw in the bigger injectors?
06-23-04, 10:31 PM
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LOL... 2nd gen owners bitching about the price of a supercharge kit... go figure.
What you have to realize here Dan is that 75% of the N/A guys (and a good deal of the TII guys) on this site didn't pay 3500 bucks for the CAR!!!! So, can you see why they would freak out about doubling the cost of the car on a supercharger??
If i get another N/A, i'd seriously consider your kit. But, then again, if i do get one, I'll probably pick up one with a blown motor for a couple of hundred, so I'd REALLY be adding to the cost of the car by putting a S/C on it!!!
What you have to realize here Dan is that 75% of the N/A guys (and a good deal of the TII guys) on this site didn't pay 3500 bucks for the CAR!!!! So, can you see why they would freak out about doubling the cost of the car on a supercharger??
If i get another N/A, i'd seriously consider your kit. But, then again, if i do get one, I'll probably pick up one with a blown motor for a couple of hundred, so I'd REALLY be adding to the cost of the car by putting a S/C on it!!!
06-23-04, 10:48 PM
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Despite the high price and what not (especially since i live in canada and the exchange would destroy me), its nice to have THAT option.
That kit looks great...good work!
-James
That kit looks great...good work!
-James
06-24-04, 01:34 AM
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The problem is.......
It has been said a thousand times...... the car is generally not worth buying an expensive supercharger kit for. The people who spend several thousand on HP parts generally have a newer car and have the funds available. To me this is like trying to sell a $30,000 inground pool to people who live in a low income neighborhood. If we had the money, most of us would have a different car. Maybe a RX-8 or a tricked out FD.
You will notice that when the $5000-$6000 kits come out for RX-8's they will sell just fine.
It's just economics.
But I do trust that Camden has made a quality kit.
You will notice that when the $5000-$6000 kits come out for RX-8's they will sell just fine.
It's just economics.
But I do trust that Camden has made a quality kit.
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06-24-04, 11:44 AM
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Re: The problem is.......
Originally posted by JonEQuest
It has been said a thousand times...... the car is generally not worth buying an expensive supercharger kit for.
It has been said a thousand times...... the car is generally not worth buying an expensive supercharger kit for.
To you, perhaps the car isn't worth the gas you put into it. To others, that may be completely different.
06-24-04, 04:13 PM
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Rmember money is to spend!
With respect to cost, the $3500 ($5000 Cdn) is about what I would pay in interest alone for the loan to by an RX8, that is of course after I sold my 1991 to get the downpayment!
And this doesn't even count the monthly payments for 4 years to pay off the RX8!
Honestly if it were available in Canada for the 'early bird' price of $3199 Cdn, I would be at the front of the line.
Besides, the look on the stock TII owner's face as my stealth 1991 SC waxed his butt would be worth the price of admission!
Damn, Charles may not be from Canada, but he is already at the head of the line!
And this doesn't even count the monthly payments for 4 years to pay off the RX8!
Honestly if it were available in Canada for the 'early bird' price of $3199 Cdn, I would be at the front of the line.
Besides, the look on the stock TII owner's face as my stealth 1991 SC waxed his butt would be worth the price of admission!
Damn, Charles may not be from Canada, but he is already at the head of the line!
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06-24-04, 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by Aesop Rock
could this fit the 85 Gsl-se or not? just purely out of curiosity
could this fit the 85 Gsl-se or not? just purely out of curiosity
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06-24-04, 09:20 PM
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real nice just watched the vid on the site that is crazy!! hmm have too save up my money (one question will this work with aftermarket lightened underdrive pulley? with no ac pulley and no powersteering pulley? im guessing the underdrive would slow the sc so i would want too go back too a regular sized lighter pulley? wow i was thinkin bout doin a t2 swap but thats way better cause im setting up my car for drifting. but wow thats all i have too say cant wait too hear what the final hp numbers are after all the bugs are worked out. and with my current cash situation probaly ordering one at the end of summer or begining of next summer (school really slows down my income right now lol) so please keep makin them because im lovin it and am really interested