gsracer

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at the stock fuel system.

I'm really amazed this kind of number is possible though with the stock intercooler. I don't know, maybe I'm just running out of money and desire to throw at the car. Screw stand alones. I think I'm just going to get a safc/bigger injectors and some sort of hybird turbo. A conservative 275 rwhp seems easily attainable, and is enough to net me 12's with some decent driving. I'll worry about having a super car when I'm out of college (Sti/evo 8 is looking good)

MaTT_FoULk

While those are VERY nice numbers... but his set up is a bit too close to the edge for me.

eViLRotor

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I'll take power and reliability.
He's only got power...

SonicRaT

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I can only imagine the intake temps... Ahh well, he's running a BNR stage 2, nice I'm hoping to get a stage 3 or 4 when I get around to doing up my T2.

gsracer

I'm not as hardcore, nor do I like running to the extreme of the ragged edge so I think 11-12 pounds would be ok. I'm thinking those intake temps have to be insane at 15 pounds on an upgraded compressor, I'd be worried about detonation not from air/fuel mixture but from superheated air. You can smother it with fuel in the top end to keep detonation at bay, but that's rather crude. Ah screw it.

Does anyone have any dyon's with majestic's hybrid. It is a to4e-46 compressor if I recall and I believe t04 housing.

BlackRx7

Well I've learned my lesson the hard way, had my 720cc injectors leaned out up top, buy tuning with my EGT guage, I ran a 13.5 at 6psi and my EGT gauge was only reading 1200 degrees (I've seen as much at 1350 to1400) so I cranked up the boost to 10 psi didn't see any temps over 1300 but at about 8krpms in 3rd I detenated a tiny bit...well sure enough got home did a compression test found and cracked an apex on my rear rotor.

Ahh well got a spare motor I'm fixen to drop in next week, since then I've sold my SAFC, 720s and MBC.

I figure I'll still be very safe at 6psi with 4 550s and my walbro (ported waste, I don't see anymore than 6psi without the MBC) . I actually convinced my self to do this after saw your dyno numbers and A/F curve.

the money will go to a frontmount and assist me in future (mods/maintance). Tunning with an SAFC on a dyno is kinda risky if you've never done it before, so untill I find someone experience in FI tuning for a rotary, I'm going to hold off on getting a bigger turbo (I got 2 680s and lookin fo 2 more eventually)

gsracer

gah. I know I know. Bah. Maybe I should just sell rx7 and buy a freaking civic and stop worrying about my stupid car.

BlackRx7

But thats no fun, I enjoy fixing my car gives me somthing to do other than study

Turblown

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Yeah that is pretty awesome, its only on a stage 2 also!! I plan on doing some dyno runs @ 15-17psi on my stock top mount, while mountering air intake temps from my haltech. But on the street 10psi will have to do, until I get a FMIC. But I think im going to get water injection 1st and a wideband o2....

RXTASY1

He won't be doing that very long!
I have popped enough engines with the same setup to know.
His intake temps. have to be sky high and he is definitely detonating!
I just dynoed my car at 321 RWHP with a E6K, 1600cc injectors, FMIC, H20 Injection, Hybrid turbo.
It was a safe run @ 15 PSI.

gsracer

Yeah, I remember when that happened since I have been browsing fc3s for a while. I just can't justify spending all that money (stand alone, giant secondaries, front mount, water injection) for a relatively little power of 321. I mean 321 is awesome, but I could get 321 out of a ls1 with just a lid. Blah blah blah. I don't know maybe I'm to drag orientated, screw drag I'll be happy with the stock turbo. I think the FC turbo comes to a plateue as you near 245 rwhp or low 13's. After this there is a big jump in cost, as well as a big jump in power to match it. At this point in my life I just can't justify it.

600HP CLUB

SaabGuy, he hit 300HP with a stand alone and conservative ignition system, check him out search under his name or go into microtech fourm in ECU section.

-mike

RXTASY1

Then you wouldn't have a rotary would you?
I just put on my 62-1 and with a little tweaking, should be pumping 400+ HP to the ground now.
I have around $15K invested in my car.
I don't think that is bad considering I can hang with Vipers and Z06's now!

Barwick

That's believable.. on a dynojet maybe.. I can't believe he's running the stock injectors, and a FCD, that's just incredibly dangerous.

Barwick

And you could easily do 500 at the rear wheels on a 20B.. as long as you're changing engines..

EnricoPalazzo

Your Dynojet Numbers are hugely inflates arent they compared to aussie Dyno Dynamics Numbers.

My car makes 162 rwks at stockish boost
Thats 217hp at wheels. Plus 10-15% for inflated number?
Equals 240-250hp? at wheels with stock boost.

Anyway back to the 323 hp atws. Thats with a Hybrid turbo, still cant beleive how much power hes makin. Would be good to know how much he is Really making, ie on a DD Dyno.

gsracer

hahah I wouldn't dare rape my lil fc with a v8. Although that whole GN thing is tempting if and when my motor does pop.

Jerk_Racer

Hey all you tools, that's my car. Talk about my stuff and I feel obliged to take issue with that. Y'all sound just like the last bunch of know-it-all internet experts that said 1)265rwhp was not possible on a stock setup and/or 2)that it wouldn't last long.

Ha ha suckers. It's lasting so far. It was at 265rwhp for a year without issue. It's now at about 330rwhp. I don't go blasting on it all the time and I'm not racing it at this point. Hell, straightline racing is boring (that's a cheap shot at some of you) and I'm not tuning it for power. PLEASE RE-READ THE POST IN THE LINK AGAIN - THIS TIME SLOWLY SO THAT YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND IT. It's going back to the dyno as soon as I can put 720's on it. I thought I'd have them in by now but the shipment must be on a slow boat out of China. Anyway....I guess since all you know-it-alls read it then I'm just repeating myself here.

Aww, did I just upset anybody? Tough *******. The engine is holding together because I make it so. It confounds me how so many people pop their engines in the first place. Too many people that don't know how to handle a rotary in spite of what they believe otherwise.

Damn, it annoys me when people think they know what their talking about when they're clueless as all hell.

IWNTA20B

I don't think they're being "know it all" but just stating the fact that they've been down that road before and so have I. I'm sure there are some that have been tuning their cars a LONG time such as me, RXTASY1, Icemark and a bunch of others. When I dynoed my car, I had such heat issue using stock intercooler that I could not go over the 250 RW mark. That is with 720cc second., aftermarket ECU etc. and tuning with Lambda. I was pretty much at the edge of cracking an apex seal.
This forum is for sharing experiences and knowledge for people who wants to learn more about thier cars. Stating what they know should not be used as a tool for verbal quarrel.

Matlock

I love you Jerk Racer! Really I do. Anyways, when my car is finished I am going to have to come to one of the meets up north. I'd like to meet you and all the other NW guys. Tell it like it is!

-Steven

Jerk_Racer

Thanks Matlock. We get others from Oly every now and then. Ever go to Bremerton for autoX. It's not that long of a haul for you I think.

RXTASY1 - Where were you this year? You missed out on Apple Blossom. Next year should be even better.

You bet they're being know-it-alls. I'm sure you also work very hard on your car. Now if a discussion camne up about it and people were saying this, that, and the other about it without really knowing your car, wouldn't that rub you just an itty bitty wrong? Hey, I'd like to think I've been at this for a while too. 10 years total of wrenching on cars. Too many people like to repeat what they read. Sure, some of them have plenty of experience. Well, so do I. This is how I get these numbers.

The dyno is an aboveground DynoJet at Intec Racing. It's pretty much at sea level and the temperature was in the low 50's. The humidity was about 90+%. Does that help? About 10 or so local forum members were on hand to watch it. They never called BS on me when the numbers came out. Hell, I'm more surprised than most anybody else with the results.

I know it's running lean after 5500rpm. Four 720cc injectors will let me go back out to lapping days and autoX without fear. But the engine will last as it has for the past three years under my care. What's my secret? Not driving from point A to B as though it's an Indy Time Trial all the time. Staying off the boost can do wonders. Moderation is the key. I've opened it up a few times on the highway but I kept it to that.

Boomer

I am looking for a used 87 Turbo Engine that works. 7 days after transplanting from an 87 to an 88 chassis the engine died.

dr0x

No way in hell you are going to make 240-50hp on stock boost on a dynojet, much less a mustang dyno.

goodspeed

I believe Jerk, Talked with him enough to know he does not lie, nor does he care to brag how much hp his car is making.....

There is no doubt you can make 330rwhp with a decent hybrid, He only did the run ONCE, its not like hes racing around everywhere @ 15psi..





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