New Scion poses Rx7 threat??
07-10-12, 01:43 AM
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but it is definitely going to be more of an eye-sore than a neck breaker by the end of the year. i have seen like 12,000 of them in the last 15 minutes alone!
07-10-12, 10:29 AM
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Yes, it would be cool if mazda brought back the rx-7, and they will, once they make their money off this sky activ business, recoup r&d costs, and figure out laser ignition.
N/A fc's have plenty to fear, the 86 is lighter and makes more torque (and in most cases, more power), T2's in decent condition should be able to get away, but a bad driver could still lose that race.
The ej25 doesn't exactly drop right in, so unless you attend formula d, don't count on seeing too many of those rolling around your neighborhood.
Im not a big fan of thee styling either, the angular sections seem forced and the lights look awful. It looks ok from thee side though.
N/A fc's have plenty to fear, the 86 is lighter and makes more torque (and in most cases, more power), T2's in decent condition should be able to get away, but a bad driver could still lose that race.
The ej25 doesn't exactly drop right in, so unless you attend formula d, don't count on seeing too many of those rolling around your neighborhood.
Im not a big fan of thee styling either, the angular sections seem forced and the lights look awful. It looks ok from thee side though.
07-10-12, 10:37 AM
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i don't understand why these comparisons always pop up. comparing 25 year old difference in vehicles here as well as the creature comforts that come along with them.
if i had 2 equally fast cars yet one had A/C, brand new comfy seats, didn't smell like a wet dog with coolant doused on it, navigation, MP3/CD changer all factory. hmmm, tough choice....
yes, we love our cars but stop kidding yourself. a brand new granny wagon corrolla could eat up even a moderately modded n/a without weight reduction in a straight line.
if i had 2 equally fast cars yet one had A/C, brand new comfy seats, didn't smell like a wet dog with coolant doused on it, navigation, MP3/CD changer all factory. hmmm, tough choice....
yes, we love our cars but stop kidding yourself. a brand new granny wagon corrolla could eat up even a moderately modded n/a without weight reduction in a straight line.
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07-10-12, 11:19 AM
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Depends on your priorities.
Stock for stock its an easy choice, but if your goal is performance, new cars simply dont compare. If I invest the $ 23,000 I saved by not buying an 86 into an fc I could have creature comforts, and a 20b swap. I'd be cooler, faster, and emissions exempt.....win.
As far as the subie, they seem to be in short supply, something like only 6,000 units scheduled to shop this year, and no announcement of more for next year iirc. Seems like the entire automotive media is fixated on the scion w/nary a mention of its twin brother.
Drop scion...yeah, and why don't they drop lexus, infinity, and, acura, too, market segmentation is just a myth that doesn't actually have any value...
Stock for stock its an easy choice, but if your goal is performance, new cars simply dont compare. If I invest the $ 23,000 I saved by not buying an 86 into an fc I could have creature comforts, and a 20b swap. I'd be cooler, faster, and emissions exempt.....win.
As far as the subie, they seem to be in short supply, something like only 6,000 units scheduled to shop this year, and no announcement of more for next year iirc. Seems like the entire automotive media is fixated on the scion w/nary a mention of its twin brother.
Drop scion...yeah, and why don't they drop lexus, infinity, and, acura, too, market segmentation is just a myth that doesn't actually have any value...
07-10-12, 11:41 AM
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I'd buy the subie, and i intend to after a few years of having an actual job. I love my fc, but the BRZ is the modern day fc. Two door light sports car, modest power, different engine than most, and the engineers slaved over it. Best new car in many many years in my book. Even better than the NC miata since it can fit just about any human being. Plus the room to carry an extra four track tires, a jack and tools? Yes, the FC does have something to worry about.
07-10-12, 11:52 AM
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No comparison.
Fail Chariots are slow until you pump some money into bumping the power up over the 200-250whp mark and reducing a little bit of weight. I've been through my fair share of FCs in the past and still own one. I'd never compare it to a brand new car.
Fail Chariots are slow until you pump some money into bumping the power up over the 200-250whp mark and reducing a little bit of weight. I've been through my fair share of FCs in the past and still own one. I'd never compare it to a brand new car.
07-10-12, 12:34 PM
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Personally I like the BRZ/FRS's styling, though it looks like the bastard child of a 350z and a Miata.
However, in my opinion, new cars have too much BS in them and there's no option to remove all that BS before buying it. The BRZ/FRS is no exception and I would rather stick with an N/A RX7 for a fun sports car.
Ever hear of K.I.S.S.?
However, in my opinion, new cars have too much BS in them and there's no option to remove all that BS before buying it. The BRZ/FRS is no exception and I would rather stick with an N/A RX7 for a fun sports car.
Ever hear of K.I.S.S.?
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07-10-12, 12:52 PM
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I drove one, they are a priced at 26k or 25k if you are a recent college graduated. I went to a nissan dealership before and was told the 370z were 31-32k otd for the base model.
The car is special, it has a low center of gravity, the steering if sporty, the car is stiff with good dampening, but the quality of parts used is not up to par with what you can buy from other manufacturers. The rear control arms, sway bar links, and exhaust all looked cheap and flimsy when I looked underneath the rear.
The interior didn't rattle but you could tell it would in a few thousand miles. The interior styling is nice and comfortable, especially the instrument panel. I know these cars will have a good following especially after someone release a bolt on turbo kit for the 2.0 liter!
But for the money there might be better options such as the 370z or a used bmw m roadster/coupe.
The car is special, it has a low center of gravity, the steering if sporty, the car is stiff with good dampening, but the quality of parts used is not up to par with what you can buy from other manufacturers. The rear control arms, sway bar links, and exhaust all looked cheap and flimsy when I looked underneath the rear.
The interior didn't rattle but you could tell it would in a few thousand miles. The interior styling is nice and comfortable, especially the instrument panel. I know these cars will have a good following especially after someone release a bolt on turbo kit for the 2.0 liter!
But for the money there might be better options such as the 370z or a used bmw m roadster/coupe.
07-10-12, 01:13 PM
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The FT86 was designed as the predecessor of the AE86... a car that you can go through corners with WOT.
... the alternator placement is like that of a 13b... kinda looks like it has one huh? LOL if I had one, I drop a rotary engine in it
... the alternator placement is like that of a 13b... kinda looks like it has one huh? LOL if I had one, I drop a rotary engine in it
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07-10-12, 03:21 PM
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i actually like the BRZ/whatever subaru calls it, its a good shot in the arm for the sporty car market. it seems like its designed to be fun, and take well to mild upgrades.
the only down side is all the people who come out of the woodwork pretending that Toyota knows how to build a performance car. Toyota builds the sequoia and the camry, they know nothing about performance. the last good car they built was an accident, the supra, and that was designed in the 80's!
the only down side is all the people who come out of the woodwork pretending that Toyota knows how to build a performance car. Toyota builds the sequoia and the camry, they know nothing about performance. the last good car they built was an accident, the supra, and that was designed in the 80's!
07-10-12, 10:02 PM
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im not gonna lie im not gonna pay 26,000 for a car that makes only 197 at the flywheel and prolly around 150 to the wheels give or take. id rather buy and old car FC for a cheap price drop 6k into it and eat up brz / fsr. thats just me. a/c who needs that. most of us rotary fans love the speed handling of the car not the a/c. and also for a 20 plus yr old car its styling is still top notch. its my 2 cents on the ordeal.
07-11-12, 01:31 AM
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I dunno...between the Toyota 86/BRZ/FR-S and an AE86...I'd probably get the AE86 :B
Sure, I'd like a real followup from Mazda to the RX-7 but celebrating a car isn't the same as going after its market and I think this new 86 does the former rather than the latter.
Sure, I'd like a real followup from Mazda to the RX-7 but celebrating a car isn't the same as going after its market and I think this new 86 does the former rather than the latter.
07-11-12, 12:15 PM
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I like the BRZ and it is has broad appeal (and a warranty). It is minimalistic by today's standards (2800lb), but is still a liveable car. Anyone expecting Toyota to start making a chassis like the Ariel Atom (1350 lb) better get their head examined. A lot of the weight comes from safety features required by the DOT to keep Darwinism in check. It's a lot of work to design a car for someone that wants to heel-toe and for someone that can't tell the difference between a brake and gas pedal.
Many of us can and have built more enjoyable cars for far less money, but we are a small minority of the general public. We are willing to sacrifice some other features in pursuit of performance. Mazda has provided a lot of cars that cater towards our end of the spectrum, but they aren't doing that well. And unfortunately, that's what car companies are here to do. Make $$$$. Or in Mazda's case, $.
I'm rooting for it, at the very least, so there will be lots of chassis to swap the next rotary into.
Many of us can and have built more enjoyable cars for far less money, but we are a small minority of the general public. We are willing to sacrifice some other features in pursuit of performance. Mazda has provided a lot of cars that cater towards our end of the spectrum, but they aren't doing that well. And unfortunately, that's what car companies are here to do. Make $$$$. Or in Mazda's case, $.
I'm rooting for it, at the very least, so there will be lots of chassis to swap the next rotary into.