New Scion poses Rx7 threat??
08-04-12, 04:44 PM
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it's awesome when you agree with everything someone says^^^ sharingan
here you can pick up rx8s for less than a lot of fds and to be honest id rather spend 12k(about what they cost in nzd) and buy a nice rx3 or a rather nutty sa22 or one hell of an fc. and who knows how much whatever the new model will cost. I have always been a believer in I would rather spend money building a car than spending all of it up front on a new one.
here you can pick up rx8s for less than a lot of fds and to be honest id rather spend 12k(about what they cost in nzd) and buy a nice rx3 or a rather nutty sa22 or one hell of an fc. and who knows how much whatever the new model will cost. I have always been a believer in I would rather spend money building a car than spending all of it up front on a new one.
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08-04-12, 04:58 PM
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Hell no! it's not even a conversation worth having.
If mazda were smart they would position the new rx-7 like they did the FC.
They would keep it light and design it on the miata chasis so the base model would be light and compete with the 86/BRZ they would not offer a convertible and the suspention would be more competent as to not canabalize miata sales. They would also have a mazdaspeed version which would of course be turbo and compete with the 370z/camaro/mustang/genesis etc.
Also, they would be advised to do so before nissan squeaks out their S-chassis reincarnation. I can already see how the story will go "lackluster sales for ressurected rotary" They will blame the economy, give credit to nissan/toyota/subaru and ponder if the RX-8 left a sour taste in the mouths of consumers, when the truth will be, thaty they simply dragged their feet and brought it to market too late.
If mazda were smart they would position the new rx-7 like they did the FC.
They would keep it light and design it on the miata chasis so the base model would be light and compete with the 86/BRZ they would not offer a convertible and the suspention would be more competent as to not canabalize miata sales. They would also have a mazdaspeed version which would of course be turbo and compete with the 370z/camaro/mustang/genesis etc.
Also, they would be advised to do so before nissan squeaks out their S-chassis reincarnation. I can already see how the story will go "lackluster sales for ressurected rotary" They will blame the economy, give credit to nissan/toyota/subaru and ponder if the RX-8 left a sour taste in the mouths of consumers, when the truth will be, thaty they simply dragged their feet and brought it to market too late.
I totally agree with how you're looking at it, and as much as I like to wait for the new rotary powered car to come out, I decided to just invest into my FC. It feels more accomplishing to have a vehicle of your own, which you have modified, tuned, spent countless hours with.... something a new car would never provide at this modern age.
Nissan is going quite heavily into all segments of the car industry, aside from the S-chassis, they plan on make the next 370z smaller and lighter to compete with more vehicles of same and different class.
Honda might consider about the S2000 come back.... something I'm not 100% sure so don't quote me on that. But it will be interesting to see a FR car from them.
And you never know... I have a funny feeling Toyota is still investing time into getting the Supra back.
08-04-12, 05:57 PM
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"So well"....the BRZ does handle like a dream, and the RX-8 handles nicely as well, just not significantly better than a refreshened FC/FD for a fraction of the cost. "So much power" :lmao: ....that's just incorrect. New(er) cars do provide choices for your dollar, it just so happens they are nearly all poor choices from a performance value perspective.
For the other 1% yes they love what they can "build" to drive once or twice a month and probably drive a POS as a daily as a means to afford or justify it.
08-04-12, 07:33 PM
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Eh, I absolutely understand the appeal of the FR-S and BRZ, though I like the styling of the BRZ (subie version) far better. If we're honest, though, one of those cars would be perfectly nice for everyday fun, whereas all of us (at least all that have other daily drivers) that FCs can be awful to live with. I've seen this firsthand, as I have a supercharged FC that made 215 to the wheels, and kept up with my roomie's new STi. However, the STi was far more comfortable (even than my Protege5 daily driver for that matter,) and a better car to live with
My bet is that one of these would smoke a stock N/A FC or FB easily, but would be a little slower than a TII. With it being a newer car, though, it won't be as easy to do mild upgrades to. I'm excited to get a chance to race one of these.
My bet is that one of these would smoke a stock N/A FC or FB easily, but would be a little slower than a TII. With it being a newer car, though, it won't be as easy to do mild upgrades to. I'm excited to get a chance to race one of these.
08-04-12, 10:03 PM
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Im still very hopeful for another rx7 but if it ever does come out I hope its not in the same class as the ft-86. I would probably buy one new if it had a turbo 2 rotor or na 3 rotor making 280+ with a nice interior, reasonable weight and good warranty. The last rx7 Mazda built ran with nsx's, supras and gtr's on the track, not corollas. I would like to see something like a 2 tier option cayman/ cayman S competitor with an msrp 25-30% lower than the equivalent Porsche.
08-05-12, 09:03 AM
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Im still very hopeful for another rx7 but if it ever does come out I hope its not in the same class as the ft-86. I would probably buy one new if it had a turbo 2 rotor or na 3 rotor making 280+ with a nice interior, reasonable weight and good warranty. The last rx7 Mazda built ran with nsx's, supras and gtr's on the track, not corollas. I would like to see something like a 2 tier option cayman/ cayman S competitor with an msrp 25-30% lower than the equivalent Porsche.
08-05-12, 12:27 PM
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the 79 GS was $6995, adjusted for inflation, $20,730
the 1991 vert was $27,000, or $42,668
even my 87 GXL was 22,080 which is $41808 in todays money
the FC wasn't cheap!
08-05-12, 05:12 PM
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and why not, the 1984 GSL-SE is $16,100, which is $33,445 today.
so actually, adjusted for inflation, the Rx8 looks pretty good
08-06-12, 09:04 PM
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The rx8 really doesn't look great, when you consider how competitive it is in comparison to its contemporaries. Both the fc and fd fared far better against the competition. Who is comparing the rx8 to a porsche (even a boxter) or runing it against a corvette? Heck, it doesn't even compare well with a mustang/camaro.
Also, run your inflation calculations for other popular makes/models and you'll see it really proves very little, other than a dollar is worth less today than it was 20+ years ago.
Also, run your inflation calculations for other popular makes/models and you'll see it really proves very little, other than a dollar is worth less today than it was 20+ years ago.
08-09-12, 01:28 AM
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Man I miss you guys....since iv left and joined up with FT86club.com its been an interesting transition. Coming from the Rotary crowed to the Toyota/Subaru camp and help spread my love for the Zx6. The culture and enthusiasts are much different than im use too after 8 or so years with the rotary heads.
Even if im a big part of the FRS/BRZ group now...ill tell you..in no way in hell....does this Car pose a threat to the rx7.
The rx7 was a evolution of a primary design goal to bring a performance pure sports car equipped with a rotary.
The FRS primary design goal was to bring the emotion back into the drivers hands, from a sea of boringly fast vehicles.
You guys can compare stats and numbers, and ect...but none of that really matters when you actually get to sit in one. The FRS/BRZ really reminded me of my first time in the FCTII, or MKIII celica, or gen1 MR2, or Z31 300zx.
The car embodies a soul that cannot be quantified, but qualified from experience.
If you need to compare this car to others in an OVERALL spectrum, its directly related to the Current; Miata, Genesis Coupe, 370z, Mustang, Megane RS, Golf GTI. But when you do this it becomes quickly apparent that the FRS lacks competition for the price. Then why the hype? Its that soul i was talking about.
Much like the soul that the rx7 has, the FRS has as well, and with the added benefit of a new car smell and a warranty + a 10 year development plan.
On another note, its actually surprisingly quick.....you think 150ftlb of TQ is not much....but 150ftlb @ 2700rpms from a 2.0 high reving NA is pretty unheard of. And we are seeing dyno results of 35whp gains from I/H/E ..which is another WTF for a 2.0 NA subaru engine which isn't known for high performance N/A.
So please please please guys..rather than hate..why not just try it out...drive one. If you don't like it after a few laps around the block, great! Id love to hear your feedback.
Even if im a big part of the FRS/BRZ group now...ill tell you..in no way in hell....does this Car pose a threat to the rx7.
The rx7 was a evolution of a primary design goal to bring a performance pure sports car equipped with a rotary.
The FRS primary design goal was to bring the emotion back into the drivers hands, from a sea of boringly fast vehicles.
You guys can compare stats and numbers, and ect...but none of that really matters when you actually get to sit in one. The FRS/BRZ really reminded me of my first time in the FCTII, or MKIII celica, or gen1 MR2, or Z31 300zx.
The car embodies a soul that cannot be quantified, but qualified from experience.
If you need to compare this car to others in an OVERALL spectrum, its directly related to the Current; Miata, Genesis Coupe, 370z, Mustang, Megane RS, Golf GTI. But when you do this it becomes quickly apparent that the FRS lacks competition for the price. Then why the hype? Its that soul i was talking about.
Much like the soul that the rx7 has, the FRS has as well, and with the added benefit of a new car smell and a warranty + a 10 year development plan.
On another note, its actually surprisingly quick.....you think 150ftlb of TQ is not much....but 150ftlb @ 2700rpms from a 2.0 high reving NA is pretty unheard of. And we are seeing dyno results of 35whp gains from I/H/E ..which is another WTF for a 2.0 NA subaru engine which isn't known for high performance N/A.
So please please please guys..rather than hate..why not just try it out...drive one. If you don't like it after a few laps around the block, great! Id love to hear your feedback.
08-10-12, 05:36 PM
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GREAT POST!
Thanks for the insight. I have driven an 86 and it is indeed impressive. If I were forced to buy a new car tomorrow, that's what it would be.
However if I were given 27k (hell, even 13.5k) and tasked with acquiring the most enjoyable car possible, I would make a different choice. That is my primary point.
Thanks for the insight. I have driven an 86 and it is indeed impressive. If I were forced to buy a new car tomorrow, that's what it would be.
However if I were given 27k (hell, even 13.5k) and tasked with acquiring the most enjoyable car possible, I would make a different choice. That is my primary point.
