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Wow thats bad hahaha. Cavalier/sunfire drivers are way worse then civics. I take a liking to some civics, not all but some.

K!NCH

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And what about the other side of the coin, what about a 13B (RE/T/REW) swapped into and S14 or and AE86? Or a 4 rotor into something else...

USS CJ

Yeah it is actually.

And its more compact.

You mean to tell me you are totally ignorant about the swaps you hate?

SouthSideSlider

maybe its different near you but here real T2's are rare and Far in between.
also you could more easily find a nice base modle with no sunroopf swap in a T2 drivetrain with a nofrills aproch and it would make a better track car then a T2 with sunroof.

Rob XX 7

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when the people on this board are closed minded to engine swaps it aggrevates me just as much, they dont know the true meaning of a hot rod.

Hopefully me saying "**** pails" did not offend you, it was meant more so for the comparison of a person who does not have alot of money who might have started out by swapping his motor first, then he will get to the rest later, getting less respect over a original TII car that looks like hell and is held together with hopes and dreams.

K!NCH

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Well I knew it was more compact, but I didn't know the weight. I figure being only 6 cylinders that it would be lighter. And I guess I am.

Nick_d_TII

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I may be out of line with the thread but...

I think alot of these comments are for DD and street cars, Because I've seen some junk/looks/sounds broken, but can run sub 13's or better and I'm pretty impressed and these usually aren't pretty under the hood.

I'm not like 'ew that thing has ugly rims. Or whats with the paint?

I'm saying holy **** did you see that burn out...

So what my car looks funny, sounds loud, everything might not be all shiny under the hood, but if your 'pretty' car can't hold a candle to the performance of a **** pail 'swapped' car then I think your priorities are slightly out of line.

I agree Hack-Job Engine Swaps Suck!

But, you do have to learn somewhere...

I personally hate most swaps where not much is gained.

LSx in a RX just seems kinda wrong to me. (its really envy that the engine my car came with isn't as powerful as that stupid ******* pushrod motor you stuffed in there) To each their own.

The car comes with a heart and soul, if you are a doctor of a mechanic I think you can do heart transplants, but its never the car it was born as. Even if its a bad *** mean ************.

Like a V8 Pinto, sounds bad ***, hauls ***, but its still a Pinto.

(flame suit on)

NJGreenBudd

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When I read the title I thought "V8 Swap" and I was like 'yes I do hate swaps'. But then it's not even about piston engines. It turn out to be about the title reading TII vs non TII.....

I think any car that is well put together should get respect, not just because it a specific make or model or trim or year. Any crappy FC is a crappy FC, just cause it says Turbo II doesn't make it any cooler if it's broken or smashed. I like to see new novel ideas and approaches, we need innovation and modification not abandoned race car dreams and cars rotting in junkyards...

I had a nice GXL for my first 7, that car was in perfect shape and would have loved a turbo motor. It would have been a good platform to start on 4 pot breaks, LSD and what not. But I ended up buying a TII to start with for my first turbo build for my own reasons. However you chose to do it is fine as long as it's done right.

Neo_Drift

i saw a vid of a 20b ae86, and i've wanted one ever since.
I think it shows great compliment when people put a rotary in something else.

K!NCH

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I've seen a 13B-RE in an S14. It was crazy.

skillzilla

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I have a TII and swapped the motor out.

skillzilla

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Way to be completely contradictory.

dawicka2

Nope they dont.

Mine runs just fine.

People swap because it is cheaper. I had a running turbo car for just about 2,200. I also earned the satisfaction of building my car. Really helps with diagnosing issues. Not everyone wants to waste (yup) money on something "factory".

If a swap is clean/different i would respect it no matter what it is.

Ok maybe not that volkswagen diesel that was on ebay a while back.

Or a few random american make 4cyl engines that i have seen swapped in the fc chassis.

To each their own, though.

john ny

myersprostatus

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i did a swap into an 86 gxl. I did it because im a cheap *** and not to mention my insurance on it is as cheap as my 88 ford ranger. give us a break we arent rich elders like yourself, im a kid in college looking for a fast but cheap car. I didnt jerry rig the thing either i mean i still have the same n/a rear end, but i have a full stand alone for reliability and maintain the thing like a baby, i tell everyone it was n/a and i swapped in a turbo motor as well.

Mutaku

More and more you are just sounding like an elitest. Not trying to be offensive or anything but what would they be missing from the "TII experience." I've owned a TII, I currently own a GXL and I've driven a turbo swapped SE. If anything I think what really matters is the "7 experience" A good running well maintained rx7 be it TII or not is a great experience. If someone really just wanted a TII they would go out and wait for a TII to come by. Most people just want the turbo in the end.

To that end are you saying that 3 rotor swaps are just knock offs of cosmos? Or does it bother you when someone is happy with their swap? Its bad enough we get crap from piston owners all around the world but then we segregate ourseles in our own community too?

I half understand what you mean though, but in the end in the end all that should matter is that its done right, wouldn't you agree? But at the end off it all, what really matters to me is that I get my car running the way I want it. If someone is happy with what they got, let them be happy =P

Just want to end this with I really mean no offense or anything just throwing in my 2 cents.

NCross

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The OP needs to change his tampon if this subject bothers him so much.

Most of the "swapped" cars are bought for little or nothing and part of a restoration project. Meaning they didn't run and needed a motor. I'd rather a jerry rigged RX7 be on the road than a non running RX7 rotting in someones barn for 15 years.

How does it make you feel when someone NA swaps a T2 with a blown or missing engine? It will still be on the road and the owner will get to enjoy it so what's the big deal?




BTW... a T2 and a GXL are 99% the same car so how can you say that NA chasis are inferior? The rear end and suspension differ a bit, but are pretty much the same. Obviously the engine and trans.,,, Other than that you can take a sport model with an LSD swap or GXL and it will be equal to a T2.Who cares if the seats or wheels are different or that it doesn't have TII stickers on it;

anderdick88

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As long as it is a nice clean swap people should do it. just dont make it a ricer, just a wasted of a nice 7 so much potential

rxdrift7

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Me too, Peter from Defined Autoworks drove his at a local drift event. That was one nasty car. Done very well too.

I'm glad this thread got made. It's is good to see a backing for n/a swapped owners like myself and others. I also really liked NCross's post about Rx7's on the road instead of rotting in barns.

cmanns

Pfft this is what needed to be said in this thread

There's clean RX's, some are junk crap or are just beaters with goods under the hood, just depends on what the purpose of the car is. Some drift and why would they want a perfect exterior and perfect engine bay? I have one of the cleanest N/A's I've seen, if I ever get her swapped the car will look sure as hell better then most TII's out there ever could without having tons of cash dropped into them

I'm sure many will side with me theres tons of piece of **** TII's out there running like crap, spray painted faded body's, worse then those low rider buckets. Same goes out for N/A models

Now to the OP, your minds fogged, theres shitty TII's, shitty N/A's. People want power, they're going to get it. So you think it's better to buy a shitty condition TII and improv on it wasting money just because it's a TII. If I had deep pockets I'm sure I'd buy a okay N/A, and swap from a busted TII donor.

Personally if I did a TII swap I wouldn't worry about the drivetrain till it blew, nobody's going to really want the N/A parts and why waste room keeping the parts, just let em wear out and improve the car later on.

Not everybody has deep pockets, I enjoy my N/A. I don't get why some thing TII's are all that, if I found one cheap enough I'd take it just because I'm poor and can't currently afford to swap my 7, but when the day comes that I can afford turbo, I'd swap my N/A, **** buying a TII

sub9lulu

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i hate swaps blah blah blah ...

so people get pissed off because i put a 20bt / tt in the turbo FC
i get another crowd mad if i put the 13bt / 20btt into the n/a
someone else would be mad at me if i put a n/a 20b into a t2

then the whole world is mad at me because i decided to swap a ls1 into a n/a fc to keep it n/a

no-one can please everybody anyways, why the hell do u care if someone swap something else into their OWN car

rogrx7

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I don't get it....i've seen really shitty TII... Whats you point?

How about a lot of people want to sell a stock TII for the same amount I can build a swapped out TII and know for a FACT the motor is done properly...or that you will be more familiar with your car. If anything was to **** me off is any car not properly done...N/A or TII.

I think you being a TII owner has put you on a stool so high you don't respect anything below you. You sound like some of the FD owners I've ran into. Have no respect for FB or FC owners. Before you come into a site and make such a foolish claim...I guess any kinda motor swap is gay huh...psssh right.

Ever considered some people are attached to their car or got the car for a deal? Why should i have to pay for a Title transfer, increase my insurance claim, and do a tag transfer because engine swaps **** you off?

So what happens if your motor pops? Isn't pulling the motor and replacing equivalent? It could be put back in **** poor.

aznpoopy

people generally do not want or even care about the 'authentic t2 experience.'

they just want a platform to build on.

people don't buy n/a rx7s with the goal or recreating or duplicating a t2.

i might be more inclined to agree with you if the t2 and its assorted parts was the end all be all for FC performance. but it's not. there are better options for virtually every facet of the car. who gives a **** if it started as a s4 sport or a turbo II? literally everything on the car is modular.

93rx74lyfe

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I knew this thread would turn into a pissing contst with the NA owners as to all the non sense reasons why they bought a cheap *** FC and decided that they wanted to turn it into a power house. Like Ive said before, I dont care about your reasons. I didnt expect more than a hand full of responses from this thread but seeing how there are like 100NA owners to 1 TII owner I should have expected this. You have your reasons that you believe are okay to do what ever swap you want, thats great for you. I wanted to hear from the TII owners thoughts on the matter, that is all. If it makes you feel better please go ahead and make a "TII suxz, Swapped carz rullz1!!!1" thread if that is what you need. Im sure there are lots of people who can chime in and build everyone back up again.

dawicka2

Nope, you are the only one believes that rediculous ****.

john ny

Rob XX 7

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spoken like a typical FD elitist!

that **** dont fly with us 2nd gen guys, were the underdog and build what we want and dont care what you think..........so there!