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Old 03-05-02, 09:08 PM
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Where does all the costs come from?

Ok.. Here I am trying to figure out what to do for my car. To get my car running again, I need:

1) Engine (3400)
2) Turbo Kit (3000)
3) Intercooler (1200)
4) Transmission (5000)
5) Clutch (470)

Basically, looking at $13,000.

So, I decided looking into the 3-Rotor conversions.

1) Engine (4000) <-- On Average
2) ECU (1900)
3) Turbo Kit (2000)
4) Intercooler (1000)
5) Transmission (5000)
6) Clutch (470)
7) Subframe connector, misc fittings, etc (1800)

Basically, looking at 16000.

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The car currently has the Fuel upgrades for the 13B, Haltech E6k, etc, etc.

I will be installing the DogBox transmission.

Whatcha think?

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you got most of it. there are a lot of little things you needto change that can add up.
the ignition system needs to be totally different, you need motor mounts, a bigger radiator, there is no turbo kit, so you need to bump that estimate up.
you need to figure out if youre gonna run the 20b water pump or somthing else. etc etc....

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1) Engine (4000) <-- On Average
2) ECU
(0000) Your E6K will work fine
3) Turbo Kit (2000)
OK, that will get you the turbo
3a) Custom Turbo Manifold (1000)
3b) Wastegate (1000)
3c) Custom Downpipe (500)
4) Intercooler (1000)

4a) Custom Intercooler Plumbing (500)
4b) BOV (200)
5) Transmission (5000)
6) Clutch (470)
2-Disk Clutch (1000)
7) Subframe connector, misc fittings, etc (1800)
Engine Mounts for FB/FC: (450), FD Subframe: (3000)
8) "1000HP" Fuel Pump (300)
9) 6 Ignition Coils and Wires (300)
10) 2 Additional Fuel Injectors (400)
11) "6-cylinder" Tachometer (150)
12) Custom Anti-sway Bar (800)

I assume that you already have a high performance radiator, electric fan, high-flow fuel filter, fuel pressure regulator, boost controller, and that you plan on using your current water pump and flywheel. I know that I am forgetting some things, but that's the basic list.

Don't forget to factor in costs for all those "little things". I kid you not, Quicken says that I have spent over $5,700 for various small cash items and services on my 20B project, and I couldn't tell you where it all went.
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1) Engine (4000) <-- On Average that's without getting the motor rebuilt with whatever porting you want, which I would suggest after spending this much $$ on a project

2) ECU (1900) about right, maybe a little less though

3) Turbo Kit (2000) As what has been said there is no real "turbo kit" especially not for 2k, you're not exactly going to be running a t04 on a 3 rotor, but I hear mariah motorsports is putting or has put something together as far as a single kit for a 3 rotor.

4) Intercooler (1000) About right especially if you're making one, but maybe a little higher if you buy one..


5) Transmission (5000) Not absolutely needed as the FD tranny will bolt up, but ok if you want it.

6) Clutch (470) Dogbox tranny but no lightweight flywheel??

7) Subframe connector, misc fittings, etc (1800) Never heard of sub-frame connectors for a FD but ok again.

Basically, looking at 16000.

Personally I think it could be done with a single turbo for 20-25k, but here are some things you forgot. I am sure the more power you want the higher it goes, but you could save a couple thousand if you stuck with the stock twins, if you are going to go single turbo, I think you might as well go big single turbo. And I mean big. You're talking about a motor that most 13B turbos would sufficate. If you like to fabricate and weld and figure stuff out yourself then you might be able to do it for around your price, but when you have intercoolers and radiators, etc made then it runs in to $$. As what was said above, you need...

a different radiator(usually not just a koyo or anything, but custom made)
a good fuel system
either the pettit modified crossmember/spindles($2300.00 + exchange) or get to hacking and recess the firewall, move the transmission back and cut down the ppf and driveshaft like PFS does.
All the stuff that was already noted above that needed to be in here.
Oh and the downtime of your vehicle to figure out how to make all of this work.

And probably some non-thought of expenses thought of somewhere. Not trying to flame but stuff like a motor rebuild, porting, huge intercooler, radiator, and misc. piping, etc need to be thought of too. I have talked to one or two of the guys who have done a 3 rotor FD conversion, one person who did it himself even with a single conversion(I think pro20b) and he said that he had spent somewhere in the 20-25k+ range I believe. I really think it was more like 25+ but I am not definate on that one.


Oh well though Evil Aviator already made a list while I was typing this.
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And damn I forgot alot of stuff too.. Glad Evil Aviator could remember it all..
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Ok, Lets try again.. Keep in mind this is for my car, and I have some of the stuff already:

1) Engine. Lets hope to pick up one up for 2k without turbo setup on it, with everything else. Then, time to rebuild it. New Gaskets, seals, bearings, and port job. Assuming that the housings are within measure (keep in mind most of these engines have less than 50k miles and came from a duddy cluddy cosmo car). So lets say 5,500 on a new rebuilt engine.

(tally so far : 5,500).

2) Haltech E6k / ECU. I know I can run the Haltech on the system, but I am afraid of firing the plugs together in the event that the trailing plug fires first. But lets just say Nothing for here now. $00.00

(tally so far : 5,500).

3) Turbo Kit:
a) Custom Manifold: $600.00
b) Custom Downpipe: $300.00
c) Wastegate HKS Racing: $450.00
d) Turbo itself: 1200.00
c) Oil Lines, fittings, etc: $100.00

(tally so far : 8,150).

4) Custom Intercooler: $960

(tally so far : 9,110).

5) Custom Intercooler Plumbing: $140

(tally so far : 9,250).

6) Transmission (dog box): 5000

(tally so far : 14,250).

7) Clutch (already have light flywheel): 400

(tally so far : 14,650).

8) FD Subframe: 1500

(tally so far : 16,150).

9) FD Engine Mounts : 400

(tally so far : 16,550).

10) 6 Ignition Coils and Wires : 300

(tally so far : 16,850).

11) Custom Anti-sway Bar : 600

(tally so far : 17,450).

12) Little Crap that you run into: $4,000

(tally so far : 21,450).

TOTAL: 21,450.

What does this mean? Hello 13b!
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Originally posted by Red-Rx7
What does this mean? Hello 13b!
LOL!

Yes, but do you really need the dogbox and aftermarket turbo on the 20B? The cheapest way to go is to just toss the 20B in your car with the stock turbos running parallel. Pettit is getting 550bhp with the stock turbos and a street port, which isn't too bad. A stock TII or FD transmission should hold up for a while just as long as you are not drag racing with slicks.
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lol i like how we keep remiding evil how much hes spent over and over again

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once the whole car is done im going to have a ton of cash in it. probably at least $50k by the time its done.
http://www.2751engineering.com/cymfc3s.html

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Originally posted by j9fd3s
lol i like how we keep remiding evil how much hes spent over and over again
Oh, I've spent much more than that! Lets see, Quicken says $33,701 so far, and it still doesn't run yet.

At least I'm not in denial.

Oh yeah, and for the kids out there, I would like to point out that I still max-out my IRA every year, and I have other vehicles to drive.
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what a deal! i only spent $6500* and mine makes sputtering noises and lots of smoke....

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*for the 20b conversion only
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Oh, I've spent much more than that! Lets see, Quicken says $33,701 so far, and it still doesn't run yet.
No wonder my under $10,000 NA 3 rotor dually concept didn't set well with you at first. I didn't know.
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Evil is just trying to beat George Samual's RXX7 for sheer costs...



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Evil is just trying to beat George Samual's RXX7 for sheer costs...



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Isnt he selling or has sold that car for about 45-50k?
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Originally posted by j9fd3s
*for the 20b conversion only
Oh yeah, that's a good point. A lot of the costs involved in my car included the suspension, roll cage, fuel cell, safety equipment, clutch/flywheel, etc.

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No wonder my under $10,000 NA 3 rotor dually concept didn't set well with you at first. I didn't know.
I think that a $10K conversion is possible, but it's going to be bare bones IMO. The reason your original idea didn't sit well with me is because I knew that it would cost you much more to piece together a custom 3-rotor than it would to get a used 20B, and I thought that it was really stupid to tear out the perfectly good 9:1 rotors to install 9.2:1 rotors which would basically have no benefit.

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Evil is just trying to beat George Samual's RXX7 for sheer costs...
Hehehe, I probably will, but not until phase 2. Yes, he had his car up for sale so that he could put his kids through college, but I don't know if he sold it yet.
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well as part of the ongoing sage of this car. i bought it for $200 then put a new engine in it, with a bunch of mods i probably spent about 3500 a year ago to have a nice fast t2. then it got broken into and they stole the ecu, radiator, intake ect ect. that's when i decided to do the 3 rotor conversion. so $3500+$6500=$10000.
i did end up selling some stuff off that im not going to use (the rb springs, both catbacks etc)

what i have into the car and what the 20b conversion is costing are 2 different things. the 20b conversion will have to include suspension, maybe not a full cage, but its going to need something, and depending on price an fc2000 body kit

there is no such thing as a budget 20b conversion

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Man, what do you do for a living to have all that......if you dont mind me askin.

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Re: Evil

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Man, what do you do for a living to have all that......if you dont mind me askin.

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I live in a Taliban-style cave and fly helicopters around bad juju places. It's amazing how you can stretch your paycheck when you live in an 8x12 room in the middle of nowhere - what are you gonna spend money on, a camel? Also note that I have spent several years on this project, so it's not like I spent it all at once, and I invest a lot in the stock market which has been bele bele good to me.

Right now I'm in-between jobs, and it takes FOREVER to get all the security checks, records checks, physical exams, interviews, etc., for a new job. I'm still working 2 part-time jobs in the meantime, so the 20B project is focusing on the manpower issues rather than the paycheck issues right now.
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My budget was about 15k to do the conversion...it ended up costing closer to 30k. If I did all over again, it would still be about 30k.
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j9fd3s: You should have thanked the guy that took your radiator, ECU, etc out. Now you have a 20B and didn't have to go to the work of taking those things out. j/k
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that is exactly why i decided to do the swap! otherwise i would have been thinking about it forever, and never done it

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man that is alot of money to put a 20b in a car. I am just goin to get a full front clip (20b cosmo) $3300 shipped. Get the motor mount kit and bolt it in, not rebuild it just run the original setup but with a TII tranny and the stock 10.4 psi. I just want to get a stock 20b running perfect in a vert and just sell it to some rich kid that spends his daddies money. I figured I could get 14k no problem
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Hey,
As you are all throwing quotes around for the 20B swap, remember that I have a 20B engine in my garage right now that can be to you with in a week or so. The price is $3500 or best offer. Give me a yell if interested.

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How many miles are on the motor? What all does it come with? Thansk.

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I live in a Taliban-style cave and fly helicopters around bad juju places. It's amazing how you can stretch your paycheck when you live in an 8x12 room in the middle of nowhere .
everytime i read that i have to laugh my *** off!!!.......sad thing is thats how i live also .........damn the 20b , no wait think about the torque ...hhhmmmmm , i love the 20b
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