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Old Jun 2, 2011 | 05:52 AM
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Solution to the 1st gen wheel problem!

I was thinking this morning and came up with a solution. A fairly cheap one too. The aftermarket selection for wheels for older audis is fairly big. Bigger than our 1st gen. The older audis use 4x108 and I believe 57.1 hub bore. I come from the vw and audi car scene and fitting wheels gets your head moving. A few years back a company (blackforestindustries) came up with wobble bolts. It sounds sketchy but I know a few people who use them and have no issues. The bolt itself doesn't "wobble" but the seat does. Almost like a loose washer. It gives you up to 2mm in bolt patterns. So 4x108 will be 4x110. Sounds like a great idea to me!
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Old Jun 2, 2011 | 06:43 AM
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People that have tried them seem to have no problems with using a"wobble" blot to get 2mm.

Now you try it and let us know how it works for our cars.
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Old Jun 2, 2011 | 09:06 AM
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This idea has been floated in the past. Its not a very safe way to mount your
wheels. This is like skimping on your brakes when you do a brake job. This is another
key component that if it fails would be catastrophic. Not only might it cause you harm
but you might harm others when it fails.

You do it and let us know how it works.
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Old Jun 2, 2011 | 12:29 PM
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the BEST alternative is to have them re-drilled to the CORRECT bolt pattern.
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Old Jun 2, 2011 | 01:32 PM
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Wobble bolts break. If you're going to be using your FB like people use VW's (slow & low)then you'll be fine. But, if you have a first gen for the right reasons, and plan on going fast, don't do it unless you like wheels flying off at speed. I think most people just aren't willing to spend the money to get wheels. There are plenty of options and if you're willing to pay, & most places will drill to your specs. As the saying goes, "You have to pay to play." I've never had a problem getting wheels, but I'm willing to spend to get what I want.
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Old Jun 2, 2011 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by stofficer1226
I was thinking this morning and came up with a solution. A fairly cheap one too. The aftermarket selection for wheels for older audis is fairly big. Bigger than our 1st gen. The older audis use 4x108 and I believe 57.1 hub bore. I come from the vw and audi car scene and fitting wheels gets your head moving. A few years back a company (blackforestindustries) came up with wobble bolts. It sounds sketchy but I know a few people who use them and have no issues. The bolt itself doesn't "wobble" but the seat does. Almost like a loose washer. It gives you up to 2mm in bolt patterns. So 4x108 will be 4x110. Sounds like a great idea to me!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv4m41viy4I

Skimping on wheels worked great for this guy,
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Old Jun 2, 2011 | 02:50 PM
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That FD posted above lost its wheels because of the wrong lug nut thread pitch. Big difference!



Ive got a set of 4x108 wheels and have been throwing around the idea myself.
So far I havent found a single report of breakage, and theres quite a few sets of wobble bolts out there!

The raderwerks ones are TUV approved so I dont see what all the fuss is about..


It seems like they would be perfectly safe as long as they are torqued properly and you use hubcentric rings!!



With that said, I would still rather see the cones made with with an offset hole in them rather than just a hole 2mm larger than the stud.
It seems like that would be safest-cheap way to change PCD, sorta like the inserts they had for multiple patterns on the old cragars!
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Old Jun 2, 2011 | 04:38 PM
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It seems like they would be perfectly safe as long as they are torqued properly and you use hubcentric rings!!
Marvelous... give it a try and let us know how it works!
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Old Jun 2, 2011 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Gen1onr
That FD posted above lost its wheels because of the wrong lug nut thread pitch. Big difference!
I know, but I couldn't resist posting because of a similar end result.
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Old Jun 2, 2011 | 05:55 PM
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like an above poster stated. People have issues finding wheels cuase they don't want to shell out the cash.
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Old Jun 3, 2011 | 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Gen1onr
Ive got a set of 4x108 wheels and have been throwing around the idea myself.
So far I havent found a single report of breakage, and theres quite a few sets of wobble bolts out there!!

That's because after the wobble bolt failure the owner died in the crash!
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Old Jun 3, 2011 | 10:12 AM
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...or was too embarrassed to admit what they'd done...
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Old Jun 6, 2011 | 10:43 AM
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