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Pacesetter Headers
Im working on replacing the exhaust system in my 1984 Gsl se. It currently has a single cat with a presilencer, the air pump is still hooked up and the stock manifold is on. I ordered a pacsetter monza muffler, and a new midpipe. I was wondering if anyone has experience with the pacesetter header, (http://info.automotix.net/bodyparts/...p40701070.html, or the same one from black dragon). Does it fit with a stock cat system or better yet would it fit with a racing beat cat removal pipe?
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Or custom. Get a Borla ProXS and have a muffler shop weld it on. I doubt it would be much if any louder than that Pacesetter crap, and would definitely sound and flow a lot better.
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i'ma magnaflow guy myself. they have alot of different designs and i find that they give the rotary a nice rumble. as for header.....ditch the "pacemaker" and find a used racing beat.
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I canceled my order for the pacesetter mufflers, i would personally like to go with the RB exhaust system but it costs more than i paid for the car so i dont think i can dish out that kind of cash. I might just go with the power pule muffler and leave the single cat and presilencer i have on. but the midpipe and muffler are just about rusted away.
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not a bad idea, i was thinking about getting the cat replacement pipe from RB its my understanding that if fits between the stock exhaust manifold and the mid pipe. is this correct?
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I have one on my SA, as I recently purchased the car and instantly swapped out the motor, which was all orignal and i knew i was not going to put that thermal reactor and air pump back on so the pacesetter was the cheapest alternative. i am satisfied with my pacesetter it hasn't started rusting....yet, as all other pacesetters i've owned have done. i will say this, it fit quite a bit better than some of their stuff i have installed on other vehicles. i know when the time comes i will certainly repalce it with a RB header, but until then it will have to do. i would say if you're not like how i was when swapping out my motor, ya know trying to cut costs where ever you can and want to buy a header for you car one time, then i would go with RB. previous experience has taught me pacesetters don't last and you can just tell that the quality is there with RB.
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I've found that the people that bash Pacesetter headers the hardest are the ones that have never even laid a finger on one. I had one. While definitely not the best out there, the gains from it over stock are undeniable. Mine lasted many years before I finally cut it up an integrated it into other projects. It never rusted out and I certainly didn't hate it in less than a year. It also directly bolted up with no issues at all. Just reuse the stock exhaust gasket as the one it comes with is paper. Bad news for hot exhaust. If you can afford better equipment than by all means go for it but if you have a tight budget and need a reasonable gain, don't be scared of it. It's not as bad as people make it out to be and definitely a noticable upgrade from stock.
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I dont think so. I believe it fits between their header and the mid pipe so I would double check.
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I have a pacesetter header on my sa, it's been on there for about a year and a half. I haven't had any problems yet, no rust. As mentioned above, the only thing I did was order a new gasket from mazda instead of using the one that came with it. I decided to try the pacesetter over the rb one because I knew that I would be swapping in a t2 motor at some point, I'll hopefully start on that next fall.
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Especially when the initial purchase price was a bargain; there's always a reason why the seller was selling.
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In that case it will NOT work with the stock manifold, a the stock manifold is like 12 inches long vs the header which is ~30" long
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I've found that the people that bash Pacesetter headers the hardest are the ones that have never even laid a finger on one. I had one. While definitely not the best out there, the gains from it over stock are undeniable. Mine lasted many years before I finally cut it up an integrated it into other projects. It never rusted out and I certainly didn't hate it in less than a year. It also directly bolted up with no issues at all. Just reuse the stock exhaust gasket as the one it comes with is paper. Bad news for hot exhaust. If you can afford better equipment than by all means go for it but if you have a tight budget and need a reasonable gain, don't be scared of it. It's not as bad as people make it out to be and definitely a noticable upgrade from stock.
But I can tell you for certain that the full system is utter crap. I knew a guy who had it on his car, and I'm not joking, it was like listening to someone shaking a chain-link fence. It made my GLC seem quiet, and my GLC would give me headaches on the freeway. Plus, his car just wasn't very fast, even with his dual Weber setup. It's easy to see why. The header isn't all that well designed, the mufflers are louvered-core, and the bends in the pipe are sub-standard. It's just not worth it. Leave the stock system on there for a little while longer while you save up for the RB system.
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The cat replacement pipe is built to the same quality standards as the RB headers.
Last edited by SunRedRX7; 12-11-08 at 06:46 PM. Reason: mistyped exhaust in picture, duh....