xberserker

I've installed this on my 84 Rx-7 (with a mild street port & full racing beat exhaust)

Ok so I got this kit that basically converts water into hydrogen gas and that gets put into the engine. It doesn't store the hydrogen, it just makes it on the fly and uses it.

I got this installed on July 5th, I haven't driven it much (only 3 short drives), but this morning I have noticed one thing so far. It no longer hesitates. I'll report my MPG results here when I get them. It's supposed to improve emissions as well, which would be great for us!

These pics I took is when I put waaay to much baking soda in, actually blew the fuse I'll take more recent photos later and update you here.





This kit I got was only $40 but you have to make it yourself, but it's actually pretty easy. Just take your time and be careful. I have the instructions to install if you want them.

red_s5_fc3s

Nice! Will this work on any engine?

yetterben

I am sure this thing does nothing. Not to be a jackass but common.

You also now have a nice Bomb under your hood!

JSmith0101

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Somewhere, Physics is laughing.

xberserker

Yes it will. I'm not trying to sell this to anyone, just letting the rotary community know that I'm trying it out.

Viking War Hammer

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your engine is going to commit jihad on you

elwood

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I was just talking to the guy at NAPA about this sort of thing. He's had numerous customers buy parts to set up "hydrogen generators".

Without going through all the science as to why this won't help you, ask yourself this simple question -- with all the emphasis on fuel mileage and all the engineers and scientists at the OEMs, why don't any of them do it? They'd all sell their mothers for a few extra MPG, but nobody at GM, Ford, Chrysler, Honda, Toyota, Mercedes, BMW, Peugeot, Renault, Fiat has thought of it!?!?!

And don't give me any crap about secret collusion between the automakers and oil companies. With the recent rise in fuel prices and the near extinction of the big 3, it should be obvious that automakers and oil companies are not friends.

Viking War Hammer

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You work for GM, correct ?

Do they have anything like this under development ?

Glazedham42

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Check your MPG and let us all know if you have any improvement. I'm interested to know if this has any effect at all on your fuel mileage.

Jamie

bliffle

It probably takes a lot more hydrogen to have an effect than what can be produced by this little rig. A few years ago an acquaintance of mine converted a small engine (auxiliary from a PBY) to run on bottled Hydrogen and installed it in a Karman Ghia. It worked, but was difficult to tune.

xberserker

Ya, I may add another bottle if this does anything.

Joker1337

Likewise on the interest. Bear in mind, all ye bearers of 2nd law of Thermodynamics that the point isn't to extract to extra energy as much as it is to alter to effective octane rating of the fuel so that we get a more complete combustion. With the outrageous amount of fuel that a a Wankel doesn't burn effectively a prime reason for their poor mpg, anything we can do that might boost it deserves some testing (even if it is crackpot.)

JIMMY54

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Actually Mazda made a hydrogen prototype about 12 years ago. This does work I've seen some frightliners with the system that is sponsered by the government of Ontario (canada).

Good luck....

P.S. honda is working on theirs but they are setting things up so you must pay for hydrogen at a filling station.

Jeezus

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I am all for it. I am interested in seeing the results as well.

And for all the other people out there:
http://media.ford.com/mazda/article_...34&make_id=227

84stock

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HAVE AN OPEN MIND BEN, I have a buddy here that already has mileage on this.... https://www.rx7club.com/canadian-forum-42/hydrogen-boosting-my-7-seems-work-just-fine-768614/

84stock

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And his mega thread https://www.rx7club.com/canadian-forum-42/boosting-your-7-hho-gas-howto-768823/

Viking War Hammer

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So, he gained 100 miles per tank ?

yetterben

Being German and a fascist don't lead to a open mind gary! All it is is one big peltier or thermal tech almost. Its one big placebo! I don't believe that it works nor that it does anything.

I think this works just as good as my flux capsitor and my mr fusion mod!

ray green

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It is not possible to extract energy from water by converting it to hydrogen. In fact, quite the opposite is true - you need to put energy in to get hydrogen out.

In this case the energy to produce hydrogen from water is coming from those little wires you have connected to your battery. The electrical energy from your battery is being converted to a very small amount of hydrogen by a process called electrolysis - the electrical energy converts the H2O to H2 (hydrogen) plus O2 (oxygen). Then you recover a small amount of this energy by feeding the hydrogen to your engine.

So you are making hydrogen from water, but is it free? No.

The electrical energy from your battery needs to be replaced which of course is done by driving the alternator. And what drives the alternator?

Yep your good old rotary engine that is consuming gas to spin the alternator. You don't even break even because none of these energy conversions is 100% efficient, so you are actually wasting your gas to produce the hydrogen that is supposed to be saving your gas.

But hey if there's money to be made in selling the American public hydrogen generators to reduce their gas bills, along with the illusion that the energy crisis is some sort of government conspiracy, then it must be true, right?

gracer7-rx7

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^your comments are only partially correct. The alternator would be turning to produce ~14 volts anyway so who cares if some of the electricity produced is powering a hydrogen converter thing. Some people add water injection and electric water pumps that are electrically operated also. Hybrids cars use gas and diesel powered motors to charge their batteries also.


There are actually plenty of people out there doing this. Search on Google for hydrogen powered cars or HHO and you'll get an idea. Does it help mileage? Probably a little. Certainly can't hurt at almost $5/gallon!

The diesel guys are using everything from used restaurant cooking oil to straight vegetable oil to help decrease overall running costs of their cars. It also decreases emissions.

Good stuff to play with. Look forward to seeing more results.

gsl-se addict

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No. Ray is 100% correct. The alt voltage is regulated to approx. 14v. However, the output current changes with demand. As the output current increases (turn on your e-fan for instance), the alt becomes more difficult to turn..this takes additional work from the engine to do so.

Thermodynamics says no way. You can't get more out than what you put in. This is always true. The believers in this device believe that using the hydrogen to complete the combustion of the gasoline that does not fully combust, exceeds the extra fuel needed to run the alt. Is this true or not? Only testing can tell. I would say on a lean burn car (like newer Honda, Toyota, etc), there is nothing to gain. However, we know that our exhaust is filled with unburned fuel, so maybe there is something to it?

Anyway, i don't believe it until it is proven. There is always a placebo effect with these things. You watch you foot more closely and might be inclined to round numbers when calculating MPG to show that you didn't waste time/money.

Now the real trick would be to use our extremely hot exhaust to crack the water molecules instead of electrolysis. It is much more efficient and the heat is wasted anyway. The problem is that even as 2000F, it takes some nasty catalysts to make it work. Need something like 3000F+ to crack without the catalyst.

DarkDrakeX

out of curiosity where does the hydrogen inject into? the fuel line directly or does it go into the carb by other means??

gsl-se addict

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It just gets sucked in through a vacuum line

Kentetsu

I was looking forward to your input on this Kent.

Cool idea, but I am another doubter. I wish you luck, and hope that it really does work wonders...

yetterben

lol when i looked at the thread th ad at the bottom was this


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