1st Generation Specific (1979-1985) 1979-1985 Discussion including performance modifications and technical support sections

Is the heat shield between the muffler and gas tank necessary?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 04-19-06, 12:19 PM
  #1  
On the prowl for an FB

Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
$100T2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Surrounded by Sebey parts, Rhode Island
Posts: 2,932
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 4 Posts
Is the heat shield between the muffler and gas tank necessary?

Mine is rusted to ****, and I needed to use my air chisel to get it off. Do I really need to replace it? I'm running the RB streetport exhaust system.

Last edited by $100T2; 04-19-06 at 12:47 PM.
Old 04-19-06, 12:56 PM
  #2  
Too old to act my age

 
Rogue_Wulff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Tulsa, Ok.
Posts: 3,164
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I wouldn't think it is mandatory, but would be good to have. Even the muffler gets pretty warm, specially the RB or any reverse flow type.
Old 04-19-06, 12:59 PM
  #3  
Senior Member

 
Sammymatik's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Wayward Hayward
Posts: 735
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I belive that the Rx8 had a recall because the head from the exhaust had caused a fire and I think it had to do with a similar type of heat shield.
Old 04-19-06, 01:05 PM
  #4  
On the prowl for an FB

Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
$100T2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Surrounded by Sebey parts, Rhode Island
Posts: 2,932
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 4 Posts
****, I guess I'll have to make a new one.
Old 04-19-06, 01:16 PM
  #5  
Rotary Freak

 
Alex-7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Waukesha Wisconsin
Posts: 2,117
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
It'll keep yo gas colder and give you mad mo powwwwaaaaahhhh!
Old 04-19-06, 03:11 PM
  #6  
Turbo widebody FB

iTrader: (1)
 
Dan_s_young's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Alberta Canada
Posts: 3,733
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
I would recommend keeping it, or replacing it with something else. As others have said, if the thing heats up, gas will evaporate more, your fuel economy will go WAY down (even worse... than it is now...), and in a extreme case you could have a serious fire. Its just not worth removing it, it was there for a reason.
Old 04-19-06, 03:22 PM
  #7  
Rotary Enthusiast

iTrader: (4)
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Bryan, TX
Posts: 766
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Some aluminum flashing could be made into a good heat shield. I use it all the time. Nice and lightweight, easy to bend and shiny.
Old 04-19-06, 03:25 PM
  #8  
Senior Member

 
chedda_j's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Canada
Posts: 634
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I agree, in the rare case that you get a small hole in your exhaust and your gastank at the same time, you would be up in flames. 15 minutes or 1500 dollars worth of damages.
Old 04-19-06, 03:37 PM
  #9  
Absolute Power is Awesome

 
purple82's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Issaquah, WA
Posts: 1,972
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
When I installed my SE tank, there was no heat shield, nor were there attach points for the heat shield. The carb tank that I replaced had one. Did they not have it on the SE?
Old 04-19-06, 04:37 PM
  #10  
Rotary Enthusiast

 
rbf41182gt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 1,081
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 1 Post
Aluminum isn't very good as a heat shield because it transfers heat relatively quickly. Steel is better.
Old 04-19-06, 05:13 PM
  #11  
Absolute Power is Awesome

 
purple82's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Issaquah, WA
Posts: 1,972
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Originally Posted by rbf41182gt
Aluminum isn't very good as a heat shield because it transfers heat relatively quickly. Steel is better.
Yes. And the shiney-er the better. Radiation absorbtion is reduced dramatically on a highly polished surface as compared to a rough or painted one.
Old 04-20-06, 04:59 AM
  #12  
No, it is not stock!

iTrader: (1)
 
stilettoman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Carnation, Washington
Posts: 600
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Heat transfer vs heat dissipation

I disagree with some of the statements here. Aluminum will conduct heat better. If the muffler or exhaust is to close in a particular area, or if there is a small leak impinging exhaust gas locally on the heat shield, the aluminum will spread the heat better, meaning the heat shield will be more uniformly hot all over. It is highly unlikely the aluminum will get hot enough to melt. You might be able to attach a flat sheet to some remnant of the original steel heat shield, depending on what is left of it. You may need a large washer to spread the load wherever you attach it. The disadvantage of aluminum is it is more prone to fatigue if it vibrates. But it won't rust!

I used aluminum to make a heat shield around my RB header to keep the heat off my carb. That has worked well.
Old 04-20-06, 06:58 AM
  #13  
On the prowl for an FB

Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
$100T2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Surrounded by Sebey parts, Rhode Island
Posts: 2,932
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 4 Posts
So if I go and get a sheet of stainless steel at Home Depot, cut it to roughly the same size as the old one, and pound it into roughly the same shape, I should be good to go?
Old 04-20-06, 07:58 AM
  #14  
Now with more 1st Gen!

 
autocrash's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 1,534
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by $100T2
So if I go and get a sheet of stainless steel at Home Depot, cut it to roughly the same size as the old one, and pound it into roughly the same shape, I should be good to go?
That'd do it... if you want to get crazy paranoid you could wrap the exhaust with header wrap where it passes under the gas tank, but the stainless steel (or slightly thicker gauge aluminum) will do it
Old 04-20-06, 08:51 AM
  #15  
Absolute Power is Awesome

 
purple82's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Issaquah, WA
Posts: 1,972
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Originally Posted by stilettoman
I disagree with some of the statements here. Aluminum will conduct heat better. If the muffler or exhaust is to close in a particular area, or if there is a small leak impinging exhaust gas locally on the heat shield, the aluminum will spread the heat better, meaning the heat shield will be more uniformly hot all over. It is highly unlikely the aluminum will get hot enough to melt. You might be able to attach a flat sheet to some remnant of the original steel heat shield, depending on what is left of it. You may need a large washer to spread the load wherever you attach it. The disadvantage of aluminum is it is more prone to fatigue if it vibrates. But it won't rust!

I used aluminum to make a heat shield around my RB header to keep the heat off my carb. That has worked well.
Just to give my view a perspective for you, I'm a mechanical engineer with a masters degree in heat transfer and airflow.

The main purpose of a heat shield is to keep heat from transfering from a hot component to a cooler one, obviously. The main mechanism for this kind of heat transfer is referred to as radiation. This means that the heat travels from the hot surface to the cold through electromagnetic waves. In general, it's safe to consider the entire surface of a heat shield as being evenly radiated by the exhaust component. This radiation is best reflected back to the hot component by using a shiney surface, it absorbs less of the radiation. This part of the story can be handled almost equally between aluminum and steel if they are both equally finished on their surfaces.

Once heat is absorbed at the surface of the heat shield, it will try to make it's way through the sheild to the cold side through another mechanism known as conduction. This is where the material differences come into play. Because aluminum is about 5 times more conductive than steel, the heat has a much easier time making it to the back side of the shield. The temperature on the cold side of the sheild will be much hotter with an aluminum piece than a steel one. Because of this, there will be more heat transferred, again by radiation, to the components on the cold side of the shield.

Hopefully that's understandable. Ideally, you'd use a very low conductivity material for a heat shield, that's why the space shuttle uses ceramics, they have significantly lower conductivity than metals.
Old 04-20-06, 07:15 PM
  #16  
Old [Sch|F]ool

 
peejay's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Cleveland, Ohio, USA
Posts: 12,507
Received 416 Likes on 296 Posts
One time my muffler exploded (no, really...) and in the 1/4 mile on the highway it took for me to decide to pull over, the undercoating on the fuel tank was smoking.

That was *with* the heat shield.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
The1Sun
1st Generation Specific (1979-1985)
0
09-07-15 10:21 PM
ZaqAtaq
New Member RX-7 Technical
2
09-05-15 08:57 PM



Quick Reply: Is the heat shield between the muffler and gas tank necessary?



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:59 AM.