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#52
Always entertaining
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I didn't mean to go way off into left field there... it just happened...
I did make a mistake there though... the larger the star the faster the rate of consumption... that does not translate into a lower efficiency...
I think Sweden or Norway is testing out a hydrogen infrastructure... unfortunately they produce it using geo-thermal energy so it wouldn't work for us, but they are still working on how the infrastructure can be managed.
If you don't get on any highways while commuting then a scooter would be the best during summer
I did make a mistake there though... the larger the star the faster the rate of consumption... that does not translate into a lower efficiency...
I think Sweden or Norway is testing out a hydrogen infrastructure... unfortunately they produce it using geo-thermal energy so it wouldn't work for us, but they are still working on how the infrastructure can be managed.
If you don't get on any highways while commuting then a scooter would be the best during summer
#53
Waffles - hmmm good
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Back in 1989 I bought new Ford Festiva for $7k. I had a 70 mile round trip commute to work. I bought the car to replace my 7 as a daily driver. It got 40 mpg and sometimes it was even better! I expected that car to last about 3 years. It lasted 10 years and was still running strong when I donated it to the kidney foundation. It ran fine but it was made by Kia and was built with cheap steel and rusted so bad it became unsafe to drive. Mileage when I donated it was ~175,000 on the odometer.
BTW, Ray nuclear is the way to go, even one of the founders of greenpeace says so
Production of ethanol, hydrogen, or electricity is not economically feasible today for automobile use. Plus the amount of energy needed to produce ethanol and hydrogen is greater than the energy you get out of them so they are a losing proposition. Besides the fact that ethanol uses a food source to fuel cars. Anyone should be able to see how dumb that is. Point is nothing comes close to the economics of using gasoline until the prices go much higher.
BTW, Ray nuclear is the way to go, even one of the founders of greenpeace says so
Production of ethanol, hydrogen, or electricity is not economically feasible today for automobile use. Plus the amount of energy needed to produce ethanol and hydrogen is greater than the energy you get out of them so they are a losing proposition. Besides the fact that ethanol uses a food source to fuel cars. Anyone should be able to see how dumb that is. Point is nothing comes close to the economics of using gasoline until the prices go much higher.
#58
Waffles - hmmm good
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I had the early carbed model which had some issues but overall it was a great ride. I think Kia made a tight little car it was just the combination of untreated, cheap steel and PA snow and salt that did it in.
I wouldn't say it handled like it was on rails, more like sailing a sunfish when you were in the wind or taking a fast turn but it did get up and go. Plus, and this is the best part, it shifted without using the clutch for the most part. It was like having a dog box or a sequential shifter.
Hmm, Stu don't you still live at, mmm, home?
I wouldn't say it handled like it was on rails, more like sailing a sunfish when you were in the wind or taking a fast turn but it did get up and go. Plus, and this is the best part, it shifted without using the clutch for the most part. It was like having a dog box or a sequential shifter.
Hmm, Stu don't you still live at, mmm, home?
#60
And, along with the ecological stupidities of batteries swbtm points out, don't you have to plug electric cars in at night? Hmmm, isn't that energy coming out of that plug? Oh that's right! And where did it come from? Burning fossil fuels like oil, or worse, highly polluting coal, or even worse, deadly long lasting waste generating nuclear plants.
Stop looking for a magic bullet guys, the answer is obvious - use less gas. We could start by outlawing SUVs, pick up trucks and other luxury gas guzzlers.
Here, read this, from today's NY Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/28/op...dc8&ei=5087%0A
Time for a little truth, $4.00/gal gas and higher is here to stay. And that's a good thing.
Stop looking for a magic bullet guys, the answer is obvious - use less gas. We could start by outlawing SUVs, pick up trucks and other luxury gas guzzlers.
Here, read this, from today's NY Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/28/op...dc8&ei=5087%0A
Time for a little truth, $4.00/gal gas and higher is here to stay. And that's a good thing.
outlaw us too??? plus outlawing a vehicle sounds ridiculous... there are way too many laws restricting our "freedom" already
#61
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whoa........thread resurrection
Anybody seen this Hydrogen Home Energy Station from Honda?
They're also playing with a solar-powered water electrolyzing station.
Anybody seen this Hydrogen Home Energy Station from Honda?
In addition to a solar cell-powered hydrogen refueling station, Honda is operating an experimental Home Energy Station that generates hydrogen from natural gas for use in fuel cell vehicles while supplying electricity and hot water to the home as part of its ongoing research into development of hydrogen production and supply systems for a hydrogen-based society of the future.
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whoa........thread resurrection
Anybody seen this Hydrogen Home Energy Station from Honda?
They're also playing with a solar-powered water electrolyzing station.
Anybody seen this Hydrogen Home Energy Station from Honda?
They're also playing with a solar-powered water electrolyzing station.
Solar (in photovoltaic) is still sexy, pretty, and completely impractical. Even at large scale, a solar facility costs 4-5 times what an equivalent coal plant does. I don't know how to comp it to a nuke. Even figuring in the fact that you don't need to pay for fuel, PV is sooo expensive that the only way it becomes market reasonable right now is for the government to foot about 50% of the bill (and they tax you to do that.) PV is only viable in a voodoo economics of tax law and write-offs.
Electric cars are really the way we should start looking, they're much more versatile and we can diversify our energy portfolio. The reason that nobody's ever had an electricity crisis related to the fuel to generate it? We've always had it coming from at least ten places. That helps stablilize the price. While you're probably going to be a little less efficient on a Btu_in/Btu_out basis, the difference should be pretty minimal in the overall balance of things. The two car family in ten years ought to be:
A biodeisel hybrid family car for those 400+ mile hauls
A 2-4 seat 200mi range electric for those commutes
Bicycles for the kids to get to their own soccer practices.
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