Please Update Regarding Seven Stock?
07-07-11, 12:09 PM
#76
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Who gives a damn about free T's, Charging $10 for walk in's, kids 12yrs and younger free, and $20 to park and show, is nothing. If they did this, who ever the hell is running the show would benfit in a huge way. And not only that little wiggle room I was talking about would allow them to get jiggy with it...thats right lets party...
Yeah sure people are going to bitch and moan about it, but **** change is sometimes needed to make progress, and push forward, plus this would strain out the eye sores that show up and park inside as it is already lol...yeah wacky I'am taliking about you lmao
I kid
Yeah sure people are going to bitch and moan about it, but **** change is sometimes needed to make progress, and push forward, plus this would strain out the eye sores that show up and park inside as it is already lol...yeah wacky I'am taliking about you lmao
I kid
07-07-11, 05:29 PM
#77
I've attended that last two 7stocks and even though there isn't much difference between the two I still thoroughly enjoyed both of them.
The 7 hour caravan down with all your homies is awesome.
The getting plastered and barely waking up the next morning just to get to 7stock on time is awesome.
The events, cars, hot models, food, kicking the portapotty while your friend is in there is awesome.
The vendors are awesome and all the cool stuff you can get.
Having knightsport there at SS12 was freakin' dope!
Everything about 7stock is awesome and I will go to each and everyone in the future no matter where it is AND GLADY PAY 10,20, OR EVEN 40 BUCKS TO GET IN! I'll fly to new york I don't care.
Allowing beer and BBQs would be really cool but not necessary.
The 7 hour caravan down with all your homies is awesome.
The getting plastered and barely waking up the next morning just to get to 7stock on time is awesome.
The events, cars, hot models, food, kicking the portapotty while your friend is in there is awesome.
The vendors are awesome and all the cool stuff you can get.
Having knightsport there at SS12 was freakin' dope!
Everything about 7stock is awesome and I will go to each and everyone in the future no matter where it is AND GLADY PAY 10,20, OR EVEN 40 BUCKS TO GET IN! I'll fly to new york I don't care.
Allowing beer and BBQs would be really cool but not necessary.
07-07-11, 06:57 PM
#79
I've attended that last two 7stocks and even though there isn't much difference between the two I still thoroughly enjoyed both of them.
The 7 hour caravan down with all your homies is awesome.
The getting plastered and barely waking up the next morning just to get to 7stock on time is awesome.
The events, cars, hot models, food, kicking the portapotty while your friend is in there is awesome.
The vendors are awesome and all the cool stuff you can get.
Having knightsport there at SS12 was freakin' dope!
Everything about 7stock is awesome and I will go to each and everyone in the future no matter where it is AND GLADY PAY 10,20, OR EVEN 40 BUCKS TO GET IN! I'll fly to new york I don't care.
Allowing beer and BBQs would be really cool but not necessary.
The 7 hour caravan down with all your homies is awesome.
The getting plastered and barely waking up the next morning just to get to 7stock on time is awesome.
The events, cars, hot models, food, kicking the portapotty while your friend is in there is awesome.
The vendors are awesome and all the cool stuff you can get.
Having knightsport there at SS12 was freakin' dope!
Everything about 7stock is awesome and I will go to each and everyone in the future no matter where it is AND GLADY PAY 10,20, OR EVEN 40 BUCKS TO GET IN! I'll fly to new york I don't care.
Allowing beer and BBQs would be really cool but not necessary.
07-08-11, 07:12 AM
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Some Facts
First off, thanks to everyone for their input and opinion. We really appreciate it.
I will drop a few facts that many outside of the organizing committee may not know.
When SS partnered with Mazda to put on the show, there was a whole other level of organization, bureaucracy, legal, and insurance requirements put in place. And it has gotten more complex every year since SS4. Things like track-days, drag, auto-x, etc. were/are NOT permitted while Mazda was/is a major partner in the event. Their legal (risk mitigation) and insurance departments would/will not permit them to be associated in anyway with anything that would open them up to a major lawsuit; for example an accident where someone gets hurt or killed. So even the idea, of dyno-event/challenge at the event has been shot-down by Mazda for the last 3-4 years. Believe me, we have sought dynamic activity for SS for years, but as long as Mazda was/is directly involved in a major roll this will be a very difficult proposition. Even the mentioned BBQs and beer came under scrutiny of the corporate insurance & liability folks. I think the same is the rule for JCCS too.
We've polled this and other forums in the past, as to what kind of automotive activity they would most like to participate in, and if we received 50 answers total... we'd be happy. Although there are maybe a "few" vocal folks on forums wanting this, the reality is that most (70%) of the people attending "SevenStock" would NOT pay the money required to participate at such an activity. For example a track-day at Laguna would cost +/-$200 for a single-day track event per car, at Cali-Speedway +/- $150. And then we have the issue of DRAG vs AUTO-X, vs TRACK... etc. and add no Mazda support to boot if we should move to do it... we began to see the writing on the wall...
Now, I've organized all RE track days in the past, and believe me, it was rough to get "100" peeps to attend and pay. When the day closes-in, all of sudden everyone has problems and issues... they "do not have the money", "are really sorry but",.. "I need a refund", "sorry for my promise, but I lost my job", so on and so on. The last time MazFest was ALL MAZDA was years ago, when I was still involved with the event. It has not been close to ALL Mazda, let alone all RE, for years now.
Just ask the Rotary Revolutions Event folks the difficulties.
Also... as soon as one takes a penny from any participant, for anything, a whole new level of organization, liability and complexity is added to an already overloaded small group of event organizing volunteers. We are a not-for-profit charity event, and we want to keep SS this way, so doing a for-profit event would really change the whole dynamic of the event. If we went to a FOR-PROFIT set up, peeps would really start crying about everything and all with good reason, because we took their $$. Who needs that headache!
And while there is a good number of folks who speak out (offer advice and input), very little actually volunteer. Over the last few years, we've gotten a total of 4-6 volunteers from outside the core group, even though we've solicited help on different forums and email list. I am not saying that folks should not speak out, we are cool with the input, but we would love it if a lot more folks would actually step-up to volunteer instead. I think this is also a major factor for the event staying very close to the original format. What can I say… that here is a fact!
On the issue of current attendees, 85% are from within the Santa Barbara to San Diego (So-Cal) area. So we are well aware of the consequences of moving it out of the So-Cal area. The poll on FB was just a "high level" idea to get input on a "change", and as one can see just here, opinions vary widely... because of course people want change, as long as the change is inline with their expectations or wants... and that's normal and alright.
Listen for years, most have not seen my RX, or any others organizers rides at the event... and this is for a good reason... we spend all of our time organizing and getting this together every year, including set-up and clean-up. I am sure that if anyone else wants to step up to the plate and organize and invest in another all RE event in So-Cal, me and the rest of the guys will be the first to support!!
This year will see major chnages regardless, that is IF THERE EVEN IS A SS-14 EVENT THIS YEAR. Many last minute challenges have come up that may not allow us to host and organize an event in time!
-Bern
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I will drop a few facts that many outside of the organizing committee may not know.
When SS partnered with Mazda to put on the show, there was a whole other level of organization, bureaucracy, legal, and insurance requirements put in place. And it has gotten more complex every year since SS4. Things like track-days, drag, auto-x, etc. were/are NOT permitted while Mazda was/is a major partner in the event. Their legal (risk mitigation) and insurance departments would/will not permit them to be associated in anyway with anything that would open them up to a major lawsuit; for example an accident where someone gets hurt or killed. So even the idea, of dyno-event/challenge at the event has been shot-down by Mazda for the last 3-4 years. Believe me, we have sought dynamic activity for SS for years, but as long as Mazda was/is directly involved in a major roll this will be a very difficult proposition. Even the mentioned BBQs and beer came under scrutiny of the corporate insurance & liability folks. I think the same is the rule for JCCS too.
We've polled this and other forums in the past, as to what kind of automotive activity they would most like to participate in, and if we received 50 answers total... we'd be happy. Although there are maybe a "few" vocal folks on forums wanting this, the reality is that most (70%) of the people attending "SevenStock" would NOT pay the money required to participate at such an activity. For example a track-day at Laguna would cost +/-$200 for a single-day track event per car, at Cali-Speedway +/- $150. And then we have the issue of DRAG vs AUTO-X, vs TRACK... etc. and add no Mazda support to boot if we should move to do it... we began to see the writing on the wall...
Now, I've organized all RE track days in the past, and believe me, it was rough to get "100" peeps to attend and pay. When the day closes-in, all of sudden everyone has problems and issues... they "do not have the money", "are really sorry but",.. "I need a refund", "sorry for my promise, but I lost my job", so on and so on. The last time MazFest was ALL MAZDA was years ago, when I was still involved with the event. It has not been close to ALL Mazda, let alone all RE, for years now.
Just ask the Rotary Revolutions Event folks the difficulties.
Also... as soon as one takes a penny from any participant, for anything, a whole new level of organization, liability and complexity is added to an already overloaded small group of event organizing volunteers. We are a not-for-profit charity event, and we want to keep SS this way, so doing a for-profit event would really change the whole dynamic of the event. If we went to a FOR-PROFIT set up, peeps would really start crying about everything and all with good reason, because we took their $$. Who needs that headache!
And while there is a good number of folks who speak out (offer advice and input), very little actually volunteer. Over the last few years, we've gotten a total of 4-6 volunteers from outside the core group, even though we've solicited help on different forums and email list. I am not saying that folks should not speak out, we are cool with the input, but we would love it if a lot more folks would actually step-up to volunteer instead. I think this is also a major factor for the event staying very close to the original format. What can I say… that here is a fact!
On the issue of current attendees, 85% are from within the Santa Barbara to San Diego (So-Cal) area. So we are well aware of the consequences of moving it out of the So-Cal area. The poll on FB was just a "high level" idea to get input on a "change", and as one can see just here, opinions vary widely... because of course people want change, as long as the change is inline with their expectations or wants... and that's normal and alright.
Listen for years, most have not seen my RX, or any others organizers rides at the event... and this is for a good reason... we spend all of our time organizing and getting this together every year, including set-up and clean-up. I am sure that if anyone else wants to step up to the plate and organize and invest in another all RE event in So-Cal, me and the rest of the guys will be the first to support!!
This year will see major chnages regardless, that is IF THERE EVEN IS A SS-14 EVENT THIS YEAR. Many last minute challenges have come up that may not allow us to host and organize an event in time!
-Bern
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07-08-11, 07:59 AM
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Bern,
Thanks for keeping us updated on the challenges and please let myself and other AZ peeps know if we can do anything prior to the event to help, i.e., writing letters of support for instance. Once we get to the day of the event, let me know if I can organize a team of volunteers to take a task off the SoCal Club's plate. We've attended and enjoyed Sevenstock since SS4. Lord knows we could do more to help lighten the load.
Thanks for keeping us updated on the challenges and please let myself and other AZ peeps know if we can do anything prior to the event to help, i.e., writing letters of support for instance. Once we get to the day of the event, let me know if I can organize a team of volunteers to take a task off the SoCal Club's plate. We've attended and enjoyed Sevenstock since SS4. Lord knows we could do more to help lighten the load.
07-08-11, 10:07 AM
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My .02... Bern, you and the crew do a kickass job of organizing events. I can only imagine what it must be like to put something so big together with so little staff personnel.
I agree that most of the guys that go are So Cal based and it would be wise to leave it as its been....great ideas wont happen over night but maybe in due time we can see an event at a track. Til then, there's always Mazfest....
Hats off buddy! I commend your efforts!
I too offer my assistance in any way.
I agree that most of the guys that go are So Cal based and it would be wise to leave it as its been....great ideas wont happen over night but maybe in due time we can see an event at a track. Til then, there's always Mazfest....
Hats off buddy! I commend your efforts!
I too offer my assistance in any way.
07-08-11, 11:11 AM
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thanks bern and the rest of the sevenstock team. 
makes me wanna volunteer again this year just to do something for my rotary people.
more people should volunteer too!!
even though you don't get to ride in an epic caravan (which i did dearly miss), it feels nice to do something for the community.
makes me wanna volunteer again this year just to do something for my rotary people.
more people should volunteer too!!
even though you don't get to ride in an epic caravan (which i did dearly miss), it feels nice to do something for the community.
07-08-11, 11:16 AM
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First off, thanks to everyone for their input and opinion. We really appreciate it.
I will drop a few facts that many outside of the organizing committee may not know.
When SS partnered with Mazda to put on the show, there was a whole other level of organization, bureaucracy, legal, and insurance requirements put in place. And it has gotten more complex every year since SS4. Things like track-days, drag, auto-x, etc. were/are NOT permitted while Mazda was/is a major partner in the event. Their legal (risk mitigation) and insurance departments would/will not permit them to be associated in anyway with anything that would open them up to a major lawsuit; for example an accident where someone gets hurt or killed. So even the idea, of dyno-event/challenge at the event has been shot-down by Mazda for the last 3-4 years. Believe me, we have sought dynamic activity for SS for years, but as long as Mazda was/is directly involved in a major roll this will be a very difficult proposition. Even the mentioned BBQs and beer came under scrutiny of the corporate insurance & liability folks. I think the same is the rule for JCCS too.
We've polled this and other forums in the past, as to what kind of automotive activity they would most like to participate in, and if we received 50 answers total... we'd be happy. Although there are maybe a "few" vocal folks on forums wanting this, the reality is that most (70%) of the people attending "SevenStock" would NOT pay the money required to participate at such an activity. For example a track-day at Laguna would cost +/-$200 for a single-day track event per car, at Cali-Speedway +/- $150. And then we have the issue of DRAG vs AUTO-X, vs TRACK... etc. and add no Mazda support to boot if we should move to do it... we began to see the writing on the wall...
Now, I've organized all RE track days in the past, and believe me, it was rough to get "100" peeps to attend and pay. When the day closes-in, all of sudden everyone has problems and issues... they "do not have the money", "are really sorry but",.. "I need a refund", "sorry for my promise, but I lost my job", so on and so on. The last time MazFest was ALL MAZDA was years ago, when I was still involved with the event. It has not been close to ALL Mazda, let alone all RE, for years now.
Just ask the Rotary Revolutions Event folks the difficulties.
Also... as soon as one takes a penny from any participant, for anything, a whole new level of organization, liability and complexity is added to an already overloaded small group of event organizing volunteers. We are a not-for-profit charity event, and we want to keep SS this way, so doing a for-profit event would really change the whole dynamic of the event. If we went to a FOR-PROFIT set up, peeps would really start crying about everything and all with good reason, because we took their $$. Who needs that headache!
And while there is a good number of folks who speak out (offer advice and input), very little actually volunteer. Over the last few years, we've gotten a total of 4-6 volunteers from outside the core group, even though we've solicited help on different forums and email list. I am not saying that folks should not speak out, we are cool with the input, but we would love it if a lot more folks would actually step-up to volunteer instead. I think this is also a major factor for the event staying very close to the original format. What can I say… that here is a fact!
On the issue of current attendees, 85% are from within the Santa Barbara to San Diego (So-Cal) area. So we are well aware of the consequences of moving it out of the So-Cal area. The poll on FB was just a "high level" idea to get input on a "change", and as one can see just here, opinions vary widely... because of course people want change, as long as the change is inline with their expectations or wants... and that's normal and alright.
Listen for years, most have not seen my RX, or any others organizers rides at the event... and this is for a good reason... we spend all of our time organizing and getting this together every year, including set-up and clean-up. I am sure that if anyone else wants to step up to the plate and organize and invest in another all RE event in So-Cal, me and the rest of the guys will be the first to support!!
This year will see major chnages regardless, that is IF THERE EVEN IS A SS-14 EVENT THIS YEAR. Many last minute challenges have come up that may not allow us to host and organize an event in time!
-Bern
|
I will drop a few facts that many outside of the organizing committee may not know.
When SS partnered with Mazda to put on the show, there was a whole other level of organization, bureaucracy, legal, and insurance requirements put in place. And it has gotten more complex every year since SS4. Things like track-days, drag, auto-x, etc. were/are NOT permitted while Mazda was/is a major partner in the event. Their legal (risk mitigation) and insurance departments would/will not permit them to be associated in anyway with anything that would open them up to a major lawsuit; for example an accident where someone gets hurt or killed. So even the idea, of dyno-event/challenge at the event has been shot-down by Mazda for the last 3-4 years. Believe me, we have sought dynamic activity for SS for years, but as long as Mazda was/is directly involved in a major roll this will be a very difficult proposition. Even the mentioned BBQs and beer came under scrutiny of the corporate insurance & liability folks. I think the same is the rule for JCCS too.
We've polled this and other forums in the past, as to what kind of automotive activity they would most like to participate in, and if we received 50 answers total... we'd be happy. Although there are maybe a "few" vocal folks on forums wanting this, the reality is that most (70%) of the people attending "SevenStock" would NOT pay the money required to participate at such an activity. For example a track-day at Laguna would cost +/-$200 for a single-day track event per car, at Cali-Speedway +/- $150. And then we have the issue of DRAG vs AUTO-X, vs TRACK... etc. and add no Mazda support to boot if we should move to do it... we began to see the writing on the wall...
Now, I've organized all RE track days in the past, and believe me, it was rough to get "100" peeps to attend and pay. When the day closes-in, all of sudden everyone has problems and issues... they "do not have the money", "are really sorry but",.. "I need a refund", "sorry for my promise, but I lost my job", so on and so on. The last time MazFest was ALL MAZDA was years ago, when I was still involved with the event. It has not been close to ALL Mazda, let alone all RE, for years now.
Just ask the Rotary Revolutions Event folks the difficulties.
Also... as soon as one takes a penny from any participant, for anything, a whole new level of organization, liability and complexity is added to an already overloaded small group of event organizing volunteers. We are a not-for-profit charity event, and we want to keep SS this way, so doing a for-profit event would really change the whole dynamic of the event. If we went to a FOR-PROFIT set up, peeps would really start crying about everything and all with good reason, because we took their $$. Who needs that headache!
And while there is a good number of folks who speak out (offer advice and input), very little actually volunteer. Over the last few years, we've gotten a total of 4-6 volunteers from outside the core group, even though we've solicited help on different forums and email list. I am not saying that folks should not speak out, we are cool with the input, but we would love it if a lot more folks would actually step-up to volunteer instead. I think this is also a major factor for the event staying very close to the original format. What can I say… that here is a fact!
On the issue of current attendees, 85% are from within the Santa Barbara to San Diego (So-Cal) area. So we are well aware of the consequences of moving it out of the So-Cal area. The poll on FB was just a "high level" idea to get input on a "change", and as one can see just here, opinions vary widely... because of course people want change, as long as the change is inline with their expectations or wants... and that's normal and alright.
Listen for years, most have not seen my RX, or any others organizers rides at the event... and this is for a good reason... we spend all of our time organizing and getting this together every year, including set-up and clean-up. I am sure that if anyone else wants to step up to the plate and organize and invest in another all RE event in So-Cal, me and the rest of the guys will be the first to support!!
This year will see major chnages regardless, that is IF THERE EVEN IS A SS-14 EVENT THIS YEAR. Many last minute challenges have come up that may not allow us to host and organize an event in time!
-Bern
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07-08-11, 12:03 PM
#88
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Bern,
I can appreciate the position you and the Socal team are in. In this world we now live in we need to be cautious of our "exposure to liability".
I have to say I was suprised of the percentage or SoCal ppl versus the out of towners. But can now understand the enthusiasm for a "track day" due to a shorter haul for the Socal guys if there was a failure as oppose to the out of towners that would need to figure out how to get their rides home hundreds of miles if not more.
I'd like to say in my opinion you guys do an awesome job. Sevenstock is the pinnacle event. As far as assistance I'd like to say you can count on a few of us from SinCityRotary but it would be a hollow offer till we know when and where. But we'll be staying tuned for developments.
GO SEVENSTOCK!!!
I can appreciate the position you and the Socal team are in. In this world we now live in we need to be cautious of our "exposure to liability".
I have to say I was suprised of the percentage or SoCal ppl versus the out of towners. But can now understand the enthusiasm for a "track day" due to a shorter haul for the Socal guys if there was a failure as oppose to the out of towners that would need to figure out how to get their rides home hundreds of miles if not more.
I'd like to say in my opinion you guys do an awesome job. Sevenstock is the pinnacle event. As far as assistance I'd like to say you can count on a few of us from SinCityRotary but it would be a hollow offer till we know when and where. But we'll be staying tuned for developments.
GO SEVENSTOCK!!!
07-08-11, 12:33 PM
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I've enjoyed SS immensely every time I've been able to get there. As many others have said, the organization has always been top-drawer & just HAVING a rotary-centric event we can attend is something I'm personally very thankful for.
I wish my other commitments allowed me to consider volunteering some time, but realistically it's all I can do to have a car worthy of attending with - - that, and being sure I buy a bunch of shirts and souvenirs & stuff.
I kind of figure that a part of the effort I put into trying to make my car as perfect as I can for the event is going toward making the event a tiny bit bigger-n-better; everybody who shows up and shows their rides are 'part of the entertainment' in that way. Audience participation, & all that.
If an opportunity to support the cause that I can actually commit to (& follow through on) comes along, I'll grab on. But time is the one thing I simply don't have any left of.
It can't be said enough, Bern; you and your troops have done a hell of a fine job pulling this off, year after year. I've done enough event coordination over the years, both for work and privately, to know that it's not an easy thing.
Loud applause & hearty encouragement!
I wish my other commitments allowed me to consider volunteering some time, but realistically it's all I can do to have a car worthy of attending with - - that, and being sure I buy a bunch of shirts and souvenirs & stuff.
I kind of figure that a part of the effort I put into trying to make my car as perfect as I can for the event is going toward making the event a tiny bit bigger-n-better; everybody who shows up and shows their rides are 'part of the entertainment' in that way. Audience participation, & all that.
If an opportunity to support the cause that I can actually commit to (& follow through on) comes along, I'll grab on. But time is the one thing I simply don't have any left of.
It can't be said enough, Bern; you and your troops have done a hell of a fine job pulling this off, year after year. I've done enough event coordination over the years, both for work and privately, to know that it's not an easy thing.
Loud applause & hearty encouragement!
07-08-11, 12:50 PM
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By the way, population is over 22 million people in the combined Ventura, LA, OC, San Berdo, Riverside, SD counties. Thus additional perspective to why the current location is perfect for this grass roots Bar BQ for wankleheads.
One thought, there has often been day after events separate and apart from SevenStock leveraging into this once a year concentration of wankle heads.
Racing Beat open house (thank you Jim, Jim, and Jim),
dyno day at RR&R (thank you Nick and Louie),
and even the Oxymoron/Boinger 7NotStock guys have had separate events (which I'll admit I've attended once or twice).
So perhaps someone could organize a day after not related to SevenStock in any way track day with enough up front non-refundable deposits to provide seed capital. Track days aren't my bag except a once in a blue moon lark, but putting that out there.
Rational, SevenStock is put together by a small locally grown car club called So Cal RX7 Club (the 7 since been dropped). So perhaps some "other" club could throw personal time at creating a totally-unrelated-but-just-happens-to-be-the-day-after track day.
07-08-11, 02:26 PM
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Thank you all!! The words of encouragement truly help motivate us.
Like many have mentioned, time is precious, and even our team has very little of it now a days. Many of the guys now have young families an others serious careers, but they are still willing to help out. A few guys like me work an appreciable amount of time overseas
I really like the idea of another group doing a 2nd day dynamic SS related event. We quit doing the 2nd day event because of issues with crowd control and other issues with attendees. The Racing Beat open house event, was one such example of this.
Also it was too much to handle for the handful of guys. We got down to only a few of our own guys attending the Sunday event, due to burnout.
I forgot to mention previously that attendance to SS has been the highest ever, over the last two years, with last year's SS-13 event being the largest and best attended EVER! So no issues with attendance waning!
We are really hoping to get something together for this year, but there are many hurdles to overcome.
-Bern
Like many have mentioned, time is precious, and even our team has very little of it now a days. Many of the guys now have young families an others serious careers, but they are still willing to help out. A few guys like me work an appreciable amount of time overseas
I really like the idea of another group doing a 2nd day dynamic SS related event. We quit doing the 2nd day event because of issues with crowd control and other issues with attendees. The Racing Beat open house event, was one such example of this.
Also it was too much to handle for the handful of guys. We got down to only a few of our own guys attending the Sunday event, due to burnout.
I forgot to mention previously that attendance to SS has been the highest ever, over the last two years, with last year's SS-13 event being the largest and best attended EVER! So no issues with attendance waning!
We are really hoping to get something together for this year, but there are many hurdles to overcome.
-Bern
07-08-11, 09:43 PM
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Last year was the first year in a long time I didn't volunteer, because I was living in Texas.
I'm back now, so count me in as a volunteer if/when needed. Bern's comment that "this year there will be major changes regardless, if" has me more than curious.
I'm back now, so count me in as a volunteer if/when needed. Bern's comment that "this year there will be major changes regardless, if" has me more than curious.
07-09-11, 04:24 AM
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I put it this way to some folks...
...... the SS event has slowly slipped into a quasi-official event with corporate influences and other official type pressures bearing down on it. And it is exactly this that has us in the quandary we face now; nothing insurmountable, but surely a crisis of "event vs. corporate philosophy", of "profit vs. passion", of "reality vs. idealism". We've managed to walk a fine line and balanced the scales to mutual benefit of all parties in the past, but ......
-Bern
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07-09-11, 01:19 PM
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Most of us from back east can't make it to a SS event and are green with envy for those that are able to attend. I, for one, am happy just to know it exists.
07-09-11, 02:07 PM
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It's unlikely I would be able to drive out again, but my wife agreed to make SS our getaway weekend in the last half of the year (flying) if it does happen.
We would have to go something boring if SS doesn't happen
I can easily understand the challenges you face Bern, coming from the world of corporate politics and budgets myself. Not much I can do from this far away, but if there is, please let me know.
We would have to go something boring if SS doesn't happen
I can easily understand the challenges you face Bern, coming from the world of corporate politics and budgets myself. Not much I can do from this far away, but if there is, please let me know.
07-09-11, 07:34 PM
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JCCS may or may not have the beer garden and all the other things we as SS goer's would like to see at a local car show/meet but yet there attendance records every year are huge even with an entry fee. Flyers, TV commercials, newspapers, a majority of the car magz he/she see on the shelves (super-street, modified etc...) ***** out JCCS events and many others like them months in advance.
It always seems like seven stock, people on the committee got one lame excuse after another. Bern you do an awesome job congratulation and my hat is off to you, but damn dude you know as well as "Mazda" and whoever else involved meaning the higher ups, not the volunteers need to start stepping up SS's game. Instead of adding to the event, you guys are taking things away from the event. And that is the truth. Maybe our opinions, and suggestions, are getting to the wrong people in the chain of command?
None the less, i guess good job...and in the end agree to disagree.
On a whole different issue or change of subject hopefully this topic is not super secretive, FBI classified, homeland security status, but whats the deal with the parking arrangement? You guys throwing all the old schoolers in the back by the dumpsters, and porta potty this year again? That was such a huge disrespect to the old school cars, and a slap in the face man, I was really looking forward to walking through the main entrance "the drive way" to see history "The Old Schooler's" then so on and so forth.
It always seems like seven stock, people on the committee got one lame excuse after another. Bern you do an awesome job congratulation and my hat is off to you, but damn dude you know as well as "Mazda" and whoever else involved meaning the higher ups, not the volunteers need to start stepping up SS's game. Instead of adding to the event, you guys are taking things away from the event. And that is the truth. Maybe our opinions, and suggestions, are getting to the wrong people in the chain of command?
None the less, i guess good job...and in the end agree to disagree.
On a whole different issue or change of subject hopefully this topic is not super secretive, FBI classified, homeland security status, but whats the deal with the parking arrangement? You guys throwing all the old schoolers in the back by the dumpsters, and porta potty this year again? That was such a huge disrespect to the old school cars, and a slap in the face man, I was really looking forward to walking through the main entrance "the drive way" to see history "The Old Schooler's" then so on and so forth.
07-09-11, 08:20 PM
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Raffle tickets, buy lots of raffle tickets.
By the way, population is over 22 million people in the combined Ventura, LA, OC, San Berdo, Riverside, SD counties. Thus additional perspective to why the current location is perfect for this grass roots Bar BQ for wankleheads.
One thought, there has often been day after events separate and apart from SevenStock leveraging into this once a year concentration of wankle heads.
Racing Beat open house (thank you Jim, Jim, and Jim),
dyno day at RR&R (thank you Nick and Louie),
and even the Oxymoron/Boinger 7NotStock guys have had separate events (which I'll admit I've attended once or twice).
So perhaps someone could organize a day after not related to SevenStock in any way track day with enough up front non-refundable deposits to provide seed capital. Track days aren't my bag except a once in a blue moon lark, but putting that out there.
Rational, SevenStock is put together by a small locally grown car club called So Cal RX7 Club (the 7 since been dropped). So perhaps some "other" club could throw personal time at creating a totally-unrelated-but-just-happens-to-be-the-day-after track day.
By the way, population is over 22 million people in the combined Ventura, LA, OC, San Berdo, Riverside, SD counties. Thus additional perspective to why the current location is perfect for this grass roots Bar BQ for wankleheads.
One thought, there has often been day after events separate and apart from SevenStock leveraging into this once a year concentration of wankle heads.
Racing Beat open house (thank you Jim, Jim, and Jim),
dyno day at RR&R (thank you Nick and Louie),
and even the Oxymoron/Boinger 7NotStock guys have had separate events (which I'll admit I've attended once or twice).
So perhaps someone could organize a day after not related to SevenStock in any way track day with enough up front non-refundable deposits to provide seed capital. Track days aren't my bag except a once in a blue moon lark, but putting that out there.
Rational, SevenStock is put together by a small locally grown car club called So Cal RX7 Club (the 7 since been dropped). So perhaps some "other" club could throw personal time at creating a totally-unrelated-but-just-happens-to-be-the-day-after track day.
Yes I know, and everybody else knows that insurance is key AND it cost money, and it is a must, but an event of this magnitude needs to happen.
Charge and entry fee, i don't mind paying, I would rather pay for a good show then $5 dollars for a burger and $1 for a 16oz can of soda, and not get a good show to go along with it.
Drag vs Drift racing event with Seven Stock happening at the same time at the Fontana Drag Strip would be huge, and if advertisement is placed and or done correctly for the public to know about the 1/4 strip drag race event would be a huge success, it has been done before and the turn out was specular...
Personally I think more time and effort has to be put into advertisement, as i stated in my earlier post. That right there will bring in the crowds, not just forums, and word of mouth advertisement which by the way is okay. But really going all out on the whole advertisement thing could use improvement.
This whole excuse of its already late in the game, or we got a late jump on coming up with alternative ways to improve or add to the SS menu is getting kind of old. Maybe start investing in a quality staff that could help in this area which would include promotional advertisement, knowing the best ways to reach the public that would, could, and will generate not only a growth in attendance but also revenue, Focus in this area of the un-tapped sources and unused options there are will make a huge difference.
I just don't think a lot of effort is putting into this because well lets face it, there getting a "late" jump on the event again as mentioned above, like last year because this is being ran by "volunteers" months before the event takes place like it was mentioned last year "again".
Mazda Has money we all know it, and them to not expand there options to generate a larger crowd, generate some flow of income not only for Seven Stock, but for the Mazda Corporation, does not seem very beneficial in terms of gaining public interest on there side. With different events that could possibly be going on at Seven Stock event in one day, it is kind of hard for me to believe that they wouldn't want to expand there interest to reach out to even a larger population whom do not have any idea that this event even takes place year after year.
Thumbs up tho