No kidding. I saw the thread title and jimlabs name so I thought for sure he was handing out internet beat downs to those who also have nothing better to do. As far as V8's go I really don't see any problem with them. I'd love to put a LS6 in my car but I have too many teeth, no backyard, and I hate mountain dew so I'm just going to have to stick with rotaries.

 

No I'm not! I will post a comparison pic for you sometime this week.

Actually I am! My typing isn't the best and I don't have time to spell check everything when I'm replyng to 4 different people (unlike you). Go ahead and find something else to nit pit about. Doesn't make me one bit if difference.



Alternator = heavy------power steering pump = less than 15lbs. Hell at least we get to keep full accessories. The heaviest of the accessories (turbos and A/C compressor) are still mounted below the e-shaft center point.

It's a shame every time you get caught up in a difficult debate, you resort to these childish tactics. Is that all you got?

Never said it made a "HUGH" difference. I said it will change the handling dynamics. It's perfectly odvious you don't comprehend to well. I've reminded you twice now and you still just don't pay attention.

Didn't I already say weight balance from front to rear wasn't that important? It's where you put it that matters. Corner balancing can be utilized in many ways. It allows you to compensate for weight differences at all four corners. Corner balancing allows you to change the vehicles weight distribution for any specific racing event (circle tracks ect). In a nut shell off the top of my head I believe this is what it's used for. Now let me ask you something. In a rotary, what happens to the power band when you modify the intakes primary and secondary ports to allow the engine to have no overlap?

 

yo wtf man.... dude I was AGREEING with you, go reread what I wrote on the 1st page.

it's jagwrjack who missed the point...

howi

 

I just did math on a Renesis block. I'm showing (from tranny mounting point to e-shaft pully) the length to be 29". I think it's about the same as a inline 6. I need one of those to measure. It's definetly longer than a V8 though.

 

Oh, I thought it was a play on my name like I did on Nihil's. My misunderstanding .

 

You do that.

Apparently not.

So now all the accessories aren't mounted "down low" it seems...

Logic to refute your bullshit with? Yep, that's all I've got.

And yet it's one of your major arguments against the LS1... interesting...

But you don't know how, and your claim that you can tell where the CoG of an LS1 is just by looking is still just bullshit.

That's not the same thing as saying that 50/50 balance is irrelevant, because it changes as soon as the car starts to move. Or the minute you add a passenger. Or top off the gas tank. Or add a stereo system. Or install a cage. Or...

And as someone else pointed out, the placement of the LS1 doesn't seem to have harmed the Corvette any...

Actually, it's used to ensure that the car turns in predictably in both directions, but thanks for providing yet more evidence that your "automotive engineering" knowledge is a joke.

It still sounds like ****. Next.

 

I'll start by saying that i love camaros, and i love rx7s , epecially the LS1 V8, but if you want a V8 motor buy the fucken car it comes with, dont RUIN a FUCKEN RX7, i dont care what the **** you have to say about reliablity, thats life. DONT buy an rx7 if your gonna fucken complaaaaiiiin! **** sakes son! honestly i dont give 2 flying ***** how many times my motor would blow,... i'd fix it again and again. because why ? this is a unique car!! hardly any of them around unlike a piece of **** egg-mobile, oh sorry i meant to say civic/golf whatever those egg-shaped piece of ***** are called. this motor is amazing, small and output of torque is fucken great for its size! who cares about gas if your willing to think about a V8?!! thats a joke. if you like V8's then you shouldnt care about gas mileage at all. AND what? they sound like ***? your a fucken loser! the rotary engine sounds amazing. stuff a camaro in your mouth and call it a day! i like the z28 better then a vette anyway. **** just get an SS camaro and enjoy the rumble of the engine, i wont lie they sound hype! but you cant talk **** and say the rotary engine sounds like ***!
i think that a pack of rx7's that sound like a squadron of fighter planes is fucken crazee. it sounds like nothing else on this planet!

 

What about those who love the RX-7 car, but want a REAL engine? Just curious

You have no say what anyone else can buy. It's a free country, and their money. Don't like it, buy every RX-7 ever built. Can't do that? Then shut your pie hole kid.

My supercharged C5 gets me 25+mpg on the freeway. Around town, mid teens. My FD, not so much. Nice to know I can go on a road trip to see family, get good gas mileage, and not worry about the motor blowing at the same time. Win!

So you like loud, obnoxious bumblebee noises that are comparable to honda civics with Ebay mufflers. Gotcha.

You like the Camaro better. That's great. For a second there, I didn't know you were into mullets.

I'll take a corvette ANYDAY over a camaro, mainly because of the better interior, better aerodynamics, better looking, lighter weight, more trunk room, and superior handling. Oh did I mention superior handling?

In short, you don't know WTF you're talking about, and have been inhaling too much gas fumes from your RX-7 while running it in the garage with the door closed. If people want to put a BETTER engine in their RX-7's, more power to them. They're doing what Mazda was too STUPID to do in the first place.

 

When hotrodding began, the engine of choice was the Ford flathead. It was powerful (for its time) and widely available, so that's what the kids used. Chevrolet introduced a more powerful V8 in the mid 1950s, and that quickly became the popular engine, swapped into '32 Fords and so on. Go to a car show now, and you'll see a ton of old hotrods with similar swaps. I wonder how much crap those early swappers got about "removing the souls" from their flathead Fords.

 

You haven't proved anything by calling out someone on tying errors (as I can easily prove based on your past history). It's a childish move that you will always continue to make.

My argument has always been based on the Fd conversions. So yes the addition of this engine if not moved back will changed the handling dynamics.

Yes I do because all you need is a really good understanding about physics and momentum. Here's some simple school yard physics for you to think about. Go to a park with two egually sized buddys of yours and find a merry-ro-round. Have both of your friends stand at opposite sides at the very edge. Now try to to rotate them in a circle. Note the effort it takes. Now start all over and have those same friends move closer toward the center. Note the difficulty a 2nd time. Also do this test both ways rotating them back and forward. I guarentee you the effort will be less when they are moved toward the center of rotation. This is what I mean about steering response and ease of change of direction (handling dynamics or reflexes). This is exactly why the Fd is so responsive to steering inputs. This is an simple example that I like to use to explain steering response. Putting a V8 into the Fd chassis moves more weight away from the center of rotation. The engine's CoG effects the handling on a completely different axis. The higher the weight is, the more role you get. I don't use the X/Y axis because I always get them confused. So I use other examples so people can more easily relate to what I'm saying. That good enough for ya?

I fully understand this. Your not telling something I don't already know.

What you don't know why? If your talking the C5 or better yet the C6 then no it doesn't. This is because the engineers at GM smartly took a page out of the Fd's development. GM designed the chassis to allow for the engine to be moved back as far as possible to put more weight closer to the center of rotation. Plus you have the rear trans-axle to help furthur balance from front to rear. I for one think GM has done an excellent job with the recent Corvetts, however that's not where my argument is based on. I'm speaking of what happens when you put a V8 into the Fd's chassis and the effects if you don't more the engine back.


Really seems like what I'm saying about corner balancing is awfully close in explanation to what this person here below is saying. I just found this using a quick search over the internet.

Now here's what I said "Corner balancing can be utilized in many ways. It allows you to compensate for weight differences at all four corners. Corner balancing allows you to change the vehicles weight distribution for any specific racing event (circle tracks ect). In a nut shell off the top of my head I believe this is what it's used for. "

Though our explanations were different, the intent is exactly the same. Yet you are still trying to find ways to disprove my knowledge and understanding.


Oh I see how it is. I'm man enough to take a stap at explaining something I have an understanding of, but yet when I ask you a simple question about "In a rotary, what happens to the power band when you modify the intakes primary and secondary ports to allow the engine to have no overlap?" I get a totally different unrelated response to my question type of answer? Way to tuck your tail in between your legs and run off into the sunset there now buddy.

 

Just the same you can't claim the rotary isn't a REAL engine. I guess those rotary powered drag cars that recently broke past the 6sec barrier are a figment of our imagination?

Your so insecure it's not even funny. So now in a vacuum state while cruising, the Fd has the tendency to just blow up on the highway? It's odvious your fd wasn't in tip top condition (which is your own fault). Mine got 26mpg with the A/C on when I drove from west Texas to California to go to sevenstock.



You just proved that yourelf with your above ridiculious comments.

 

guess that idiot didnt read.. if you like a "so called real engine" then buy the fucken car whatever-fucken-crap-*** engine you like comes with,
you shouldnt even be on here if you dont like the rx7, that goes for the engine as well , and yes i already said do what the **** you want, if you read properly i said that your car your choice, but what was the fucken point of buying a totally unique car if your going to change the thing that makes it unique?
you want a real engine? that sounds like some bullshit 4th grade comeback.
i could simply say 20b. cut me all you want. your not a true rx7 owner! if you dont give 2 ***** about the rotary engine! again i say what was the fucken point of any of you buying this car? you should have bought a supra/ 300zx/ 3000gto/wrx or something along those lines if you dont care about the rotary engine! oh yea i dont know wtf i'm talking about. your so right kid. oh and btw i dont think you had to quote me, my post is right above yours dufus, its right there for ppl who arent blind yet. you like the vette so much then buy one . haha what was that about mullets? that doesnt even have anything to do with what anyone was talking about. your so smart by attacking my character,...... mullet hahahaha lol but now your saying ppl with mullets are automatically ignorant? haha nice to see you can go on a road trip to see family? thats not what an rx7 is for.guess you dont really drive the car if you expect good gas mileage and road trips. its made for cornering ability! its a S P O R T S car not a road trip family outing vehicle jackass. And Mazda was stupid for putting in the rotary? wow you just keep **** talking this car? why are you even on this forum? Its very clear that you love your vettes, then that is the simple solution! go buy one! And what? the rotary engine sounds like a honda civic? doesnt anyone else find this guy a real dumbass? you really dont like the car if your saying it sounds like a bee comparible to a honda civic, thats the worst insult you have made thus far about the rx7. And you really dont know anything about cars if all you can come at me with is ebay bumblebee muffler bullshit.
Anyone who loves their rx7 wouldn't cheap out on it with some fartcan ebay muffler.
wow your knowledge is overwhelming me. :/ i really feel sorry for this guy ....if he has the mind of a 14yr old teenage kid that is even contemplating the bumblebee ebay muffler.

 

i'm happy to find that there are real rx7 owners on here, besides myself

 

Red you have to understand that some people truely do love the Rx7 or just the chassis. The ones that are uneducated about the engine are the ones that don't like them because they think it's unreliable or they don't know what happend when the engine failed. I understand were you are comming from as I too use to think this way years back. But people have certain needs they want to fill. Some people love hugh amounts of torque while others love the smooth high reving abilities of the rotary. I've been a true rotor head since 1991 and have owned 4 different Rx7's. Personally I have no porblem with people putting whatever engine they want into any chassis because in their minds that's what they want to do. No one should be judged on that. Hell one of my future plans is to build a 300 hp NA 10th Anniversary Miata. I also want to build a nice 4rotor powered BMW 540i luxury sports sedan. With the power I could make, in "MY" mind only then would it be the ultimate driving machine.

 

If English is your first language, you should be ashamed.

 

Hey post *****, If that's something you can't comprehend.. Perhaps you do need to take reading comprehension. Leave out arrogant remarks like that they are irrelevant. I do not see you calling people on their grammar mistakes when their views are in favor of yours and I see plenty.. What about those Mr. Policemen?

 

I hear you, Damn I just realize I've been imagining the engine in my car this whole time! ridiculous

 

Hey, stupid ****. When I want your opinion, I'll ask for it.

 

Picky..picky! I bet your the type of person that wont eat a Wendy's burger because of the meat that hangs over the edges? Or wipes his *** with a whole roll of toilet paper to make sure it's clean? Why don't you man up an answer the question I asked you b4? Hell my little 15 yr old nephew is man enough to admitt he doesn't know something. Why not you?

 

Just as soon as you admit that you can't tell the CoG of any engine "just by looking", and that you've been talking straight out of your *** for most of this thread.

As you say, "man up".

 

Did I say any engine? No I didn't! I told you I will would get some picks together. At least I'm try to prove my point of view. You on the other hand turn cheek when the going gets tough.

Note to anyone on this forum.....don't give Jim the ball when eveything is on the line.

 

If you can do it with the LS1, surely you can do it with any engine.

How can you determine the CoG of the LS1 just by looking, yet you can't figure out that Formula 1 has regulations governing the location of the engine's CoG because it can be shifted even lower.

So in other words, you're not going to "man up" and admit that you're wrong.

At least you recognize that it's just your point of view... which happens to be completely and utterly lacking any substantiating evidence so far.

You're the one trying to change the subject, not me.

Your spelling and grammar are indicative of someone with less than average intelligence and education. Why should anyone take your opinions seriously if you can't even master your own language?

 

Happy 10,000 post!!!!!

 

Ok I'm obviously not afraid to explain my point of view. I back tracked some of my post and found where I said "with a V8 all the weight is on top". At that moment I was using and aluminum block LS series motor as my example because that is what I've been talking about. I can't see how all the weight could be in the lower half given the mass of the upper half. The crank (being the heaviest part) is at the very bottom and weighs "what" 50lbs yet, the entire block fully dressed weighs 400? Above that you have the widening V section of the block with more metal material plus the heads. So I can't see all the weight being at the bottom ( given how narrow V8 blocks are on the lower half). Now a steel block is a whole different story.

I never said I could figure out the formula 1 regulations. I have no knowledge of any regulations or rules as that is a subject I haven't researched. I do know moving the engine up or down will change the way that vehicle rolls in a turn over a specific axis. So it's obvious the rules are to keep all the competitors on a level playing field buy keep the engine at a certain CoG.

Now if you want to dog me on my theory, then go a head. At least was man enough to answer your question.


Nope not even close!


So I'm changing the subject but yet all you can talk about is ones use of the english language as a defense? Your lame comebacks have jack **** to do with this thread discussion. Then you blatantly ignore my question and came up with some chicken **** other response about how rotary's sound like ****.


Only in your eyes. I could say the way you completely avoid questions are indicative of someone who is a complete *****. The funny thing is 99.9% of anyone that speaks the english language will know exactly what I'm saying in this thread. It's not my fault your a freaking dinosaur with old school ways of thinking. I know of your old age (even though you've hidden it which makes me wonder hmmmmmm). Is it a coincidence that keithrulz also saw your weak attempt to change the subject and discredit myself over the use of the english language? You puss out in this exact same fashion every single time when you can't dominate the thread topic with your points of view. You have been challenged by someone much younger and realize you are powerless to do jack **** about it. So you resort to the childish tactics as a lone defense. I could beat a dead horse to about your lack of reading comprehension. Sorry, learning how to comprehend the things people say isn't something you can learn in school. You have to be intelligent to do that.


Sooooo are you going to answer my original question or not?

 

To OP: Sentance by sentance. NI = nice imagination / rumors / made up. WC = who cares / irrellivant / and your point is...? / too small to matter

1. (1) LS1 = $10k. Others V8's, not as hot. (2-4) WC. (5) Only an FD w/o cheap preparation. (6) Prolly for the same reason they don't drop big engines in tiny cheap cars. (7) Not w/ what u listed (8) NI

2. (1) It's a GM. (2-3) WC.

3. (1-X) Sorry, I'm gonna have to confiscate your highschool diploma. http://science.howstuffworks.com/fpte4.htm. And the LS1 has no low end torque. Even the high revving RX-8 or s2000 can take a vette on the 0-30.

4. (1-3) See #1 part 1; LS1 adds 60lbs. to FD, according to a V8 lover. (4-) NI, see kbb.com. (paragraph 2, last 2) NI, reality => WC.

I dunno, the swaps might be a good idea for some, but their less intelligent supporters really aren't helping their rep.