clubber

Guys, I've read TON's of v8 threads and there is always some rotary lover that comes in and starts **** on anything but rotary. Most of these threads are in the other conversions section so everyone here is already a blasphemer. I've got an '87 Sport converted to turbo and a '91 vert with an LS-1 so I know both sides of the arguement. But why come to the V-8 section if you hate 'em? If everyone had this attitude there would be no Shelby Cobra or a thousand other nice conversions.
Stan

wrxracer55

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I agree. I am all about creative engineering to improve cars.

brooklynfc3s

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rotaries are special bottom line. Ls1s are just reenginered small blocks. theres nothing special about them. They're way more reliable than rotaries for sure. It's really that the powerplant is a part of the rx7 being what it is. Why ruin that with a heavy thumpy v8?

tinner

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My house once had a small one car garage with lights that would flicker and a leak in the roof. Instead of fixing it, it was tore down and replaced with a 24 X 30 garage with better electric, a level floor, and nicer exterior. Did I ruin my house?

sillbeer

It's been proven that an fc or fd with an ls1 weighs in just the same as a 13 fc or fd. It's also been proven that it does not throw the balance off.

-Destin

V8Mongrel

Wow, the second reply proves the original post is correct. Amazing. Not even a single page before a thread about why there is no need to troll actaully gets trolled. Damn.

YELLOWGSLSE

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Not per se, but if your house were designed around that garage, or if the garage had a special history to it, or if it somehow had magical powers so that it washed and waxed your car everytime you parked it in there and gave you a warm fuzzy feeling when it was not leaking/flickering lights, etc. then yeah, you just got rid of an integral part of what made that house "that house" if you know what i mean. Especially if every other house on the block has the same "garage" as the one you just replaced your "special" one with.

custom13B

I agree with clubber,plus he made a amazing car! I was a hardcore rotary guy for years. But after sevaral rebuild,paying wayyy to much for apex seals etc etc. Scouring ebay for used parts for a 20+ year old car. I finally put in a domestic V8. Im my opinion it not looks the way I like and has the power it should have come with in the first place. Its now as fast as it looks...or will be soon its 95% done now. A stock RX-7 is still a nice car and I have no issues with them...I just prefer 300+ horsepower,330lbs of torque and still have factory reliability and get 25 MPG! I can visit any auto parts store and they have 90% of what I need in stock ready to go....and the parts dont cost a fortune. So I say to each thier own. If someone wants to keep thier rotary thats just fine...if they remove it and put in a V8 thats fine too. I for one will never own another rotary!

Juiceh

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The Shelby Cobra is different because it was a piston engined car swapped with a larger piston engine. The Rotary fanatics love engine swaps as long as its the same type of engine. No one complains about 20b or 26b conversions. No one would complain if you somehow stuffed an LS1 into a 4 banger honda civic either... Theres just something about a piston engine swapped into a chassis designed for a rotary that they don't like.


I personally don't care what the hell someone does with their own property. I would rather keep my rotary powered car's rotary powered. But who knows maybe some day I will do a piston swap.

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As far as comming into the "Other Engine Conversions" section and bashing v8 swap threads, that just prooves someone has WAY too much time on their hands and needs to STFU and go do something productive.

wrxracer55

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I am with custom. To each his own, but I am all about the cheap 5.0 power.

BklynRX7

I agree with the original poster. I dont liek v8 swaps so i do not enter the v8 section. The only reason im here now is because I saw this title while i was scrolling for the NE section.

I do however think that you v8 guys should follow suite with what you say and stop make ****** little comments against rotaries in our sections. It would prevent backlash. I mean they had to abolish the whole rep points system because v8 guys would start arguements and then give bad reps to anyone who disagreed cough*jimlab*cough. but again im not hear to agrue, I just to agree to disagree.

kwman

I don't understand why you rotary lovers (I am one, I respect the motor to hell) think that you're so rare and special? The rotary is still used in the RX-8 (with no *****) and there are plenty of RX7s out there. The LS1 is widely used because it works well, you can't say that the rotary is better because less people have it, less people have it for a reason. More people use the LS1 for a reason, theres no need for people like you to claim that the "soul" of the RX7 is removed along with a motor that, even though being 1.3 liters and substantially less reliable, is only 60 lbs lighter than a 5.7 V8...(a built one would most likely be lighter due to higher grade material internals)

I'm sick of this arguement, that its wrong because it is...thats all you're basically saying. Saying that removing the rotary is wrong because its a rotary, is the dumbest arguement in the world. Almost in the same way the pre-enlightenment western world once thought "CHURCH AND STATE ARE ONE!"

...its arguements like these that make me realize just how naive people can be.

Grow up.

Nihilanthic

Are you a troll or a ******* idiot?

Have you used the anytime recently?

There are tons of dicks just like you saying the same thing, and people disproving them with both corner weights and per-axle weighting, dynamic (as in actually racing instead of blabbering) testing to prove they handle great, and the simple fact that a broader powerband and more torque is, infact, BETTER in all arenas.

We have facts to support what we say, not emotional dismissal and attempts to turn RX7club into Jamestown around a damn motor.

The RX7 isn't just a chariot for the Rotary. Its an excellent chassis in all ways for performance. You can come to your own conclusions as to why the chassis is so good, but the bottom line is its no "worse" with a v8 in there than it is with a 20B or a buttload of turbo piping/IC/oil coolers/blah blah blah.

A motor that is cheaper, more reliable, and torquier for the same power level as a rotary is just a stupidly easy decision to make if you can buy for a few hundred mounts to bolt it in with no fabrication. But then again, youre just a rotarded fanboy, not someone out for an objective level of performance.

Now, yes, in racing they do have their advantages, and it has potential - but for a STREET CAR, theres just no objective reason against using a piston engine, and POTENTIAL is not the same as current performance and efficacy.

88IntegraLS

You've obviously never had your *** handed to you by an I4 powered VW rabbit at an autocross, so you wouldn't understand why rotaries suck in a functional sense. Sure they look cool in cutaway views or when their parts are all polished and laid out, but so what? After your 25th birthday you won't care about owning a poser car any more, and you will expect it to kick your *** on a back road when you have the time to go enjoy it.

It's simple. If you don't have a life, the rotary makes you feel special. If you do have a life, you want performance. Nothing mysterious there.

GtoRx7

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As for me (not that anyone cares, including me) I like to get a decent amount of power n/a out of the rotary, and be just as reliable (maybe more, I said it) as a V8. And its way more fun to beat up on fast pistons with a junk box rotary at the same time, its just salt in the wounds for them. Imagine getting beat by a inferior engine? All they can say is "Well, I get better gas mileage....and .....you suck". Maybe true, but I'm still happy with my janky engine, and I never HAVE to work on it, imagine that?

KaoticFdR1

wow good point....i'm joining the v8 community this fall w/my FD.

BklynRX7

wow... a guy named "88IntegraLS" just called the rx7 a poser car... IM DONE!!!

Nihilanthic

330-350whp is pretty good, but if youre beating LS1s its because your car weighs less than most cars youre racing, period (considering they make the same power and have more torque...)

Dont confuse the chassis with the motor. That 20b would be pretty mediocre in a camaro or a mustang (unless it had signifigant ligthening modifications done) and basically require 4.10s or numerically higher rear gears and a T-56.

Also, just as an aside, if it didnt cost so goddamn much to make a 20B, swap it in, and get it running like you did, people wouldnt be swapping v8s so much!

Nihilanthic

Hes made like 3800 posts... hes probably grown up and matured and learned quite a bit since he registered and used that nickname.

What about you?

V8Mongrel

You're missing the point. He is right. The only time it matters what kind of car you drive is when you are a poser. After you get over that, you actually car about where and how you drive, rather than what you are driving.

He wasn't calling the RX-7 a poser car per se, just that the kind of car you are in won't matter much once you recognize that you just got your *** handed to you by a Rabbit.

themonsterisme

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if you guys ruin this site for me with all the negative comments like streetfire.net then you will leave me no choice but to come to your house and poop inside your cars...if someone puts a v/8 in their rx7 how does this affect anyone else other than the owner?...and so what if they do???...is it your car?....nope...stfu....me personally...i havent blown up enough motors yet to be looking into any other motor but a rotary...but im sure someday if i do...then ill just buy a supra...lol

kwman

N/A rotaries are bulletproof. Anyone that argues otherwise is an idiot. However, you're decent amount of power is just that...decent. So don't go blasting too much.

Mutaku

I noticed everyone just jumped on this guys post. He didnt go bashing the conversion per se and yet everyone just jumps at the chance to make someone look like an ignorant ***.

peejay

The GenIII have about as much relation with a small block Chevy as a Ford engine does (actually the GenIII looks a lot more "Ford" than "Chevy"..!) but you do have a valid point. I personally detest people putting 13Bs in 1st-gens or RX-3s, and I have a friend who *HATES* the thought of any more than 2.4l or four forward gears in a 240Z.

Odd, that I kinda like I4/V6/V8 swaps but I hate the idea of a 13B.

The mark of a great engine is that people want to put it in different chassis. Likewise, the mark of a great chassis is that people want to put different engines in them. I see V8 swaps as a compliment on the RX-7 as a car rather than an insult to the rotary as an engine. I guess maybe that's why I don't like 13B swaps, going to a bigger version of the same engine is kinda knuckle-draggerish but swapping in something altogether different is interesting.

There's no doubt that rotaries are cool engines, there are enough rotary powered Toyotas and Datsuns around to testify to that. Plenty of people willing to color outside the lines. OTOH, there's just something heartwarming about taking a nice engine like the GenIII out of some truck or a barely-welded-together F-body and putting it in a nice chassis like an RX-7.

- Pete, who has seen no small number of Chevy-powered Mustangs and Ford-powered Novas and Camaros

LT-x7

What do you consider bulletproof?
I agree they'll take a lot more abuse that a turbo rotary but I wouldn't call them anything near bulletproof.
For any engine to be considered bulletproof I think it needs to be able to handle a fair amount of boost and/or nitrous on a otherwise stock motor. Also handle some overheating and other neglect and abuse.
Just because some n/a rotarys go 200,000+(I've never seen it happen, but I hear it's happened) doesn't make then a bulletproof engine.