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Old Jan 2, 2008 | 05:02 PM
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Old Jan 2, 2008 | 05:15 PM
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Old Jan 3, 2008 | 10:21 AM
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I was joking although a stripped down super lightweight FC with a honda S2000 f20c motor/trans would be a lot of fun, it really would.

but back on topic, you would be hardpressed to find an LS1T56 combo for under $2500 and it will take another $1000 at least to get it in the car and running on the street. that will provide you with a solid 350hp/350tq setup with the short T56 gearing it will be a great car to drive and to race, no matter the venue. to modify or boost the LS1 you are looking at a lot of time and money and if you have the time and money hey go for it but it is a fun car with just a stock un-modified LS1T56 under the hood and some CAI and a free flowing exhaust, just make sure you have a proper suspension and tire setup and a refreshed S4 T2 clutchpacl LSD to put the power down.

yup yup.
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Old Jan 3, 2008 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by phoenix7
Who the hell drives their cars like Grandpas???? The only problem I've faced with teh V8 guys stems from my need to get a realistic answer from them. Yeah, the motor is rated at 26+ mpg, but how much do YOU get when driving it on a fun weekend??

I need to find a local V8 guy that isn't a huge ***** and will do some testing with me to the the pros and cons of the swap. REALISTICALLY.
lol true, you do need to get into an LS1rx7 for hands on experience, that was what changed my mind about the swaps 4 years ago.

they do provide 25+mpg on the highway because the T56 has a super long highway gear as 6th and its amazing, still torquey at 2000rpm but still fuel efficient.

you can build a totally badass LS1FD for 18k that will run side by side with a c5 z06 but the FD will be cheaper to insure and less money in the end and I think its a nicer /more rare car that gets more attention and is more fun to drive... the vette is too wide and too big to be my choice.

oh yeah if you have a clean FC you can complete the LS1T56 swap much cheaper because of the mounting equipment needed is far less than the PPF setup in the FD, I completed my widebody LS1T56FC for under 12 grand and only threw a few grand more at it to make it even more fun. EyeOutThere finished his very basic LS1T56FC project for under 9 grand including the damn car... try to beat that for performance per dollar, with the amazing reliability he has, fat chance you can beat it.
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Old Jan 3, 2008 | 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by phoenix7
How much will the LS swap cost, REALISTICALLY??
A well thought out swap will use the best motor/parts available and I assume will cost close to or more than $12K, right?? Plus the labor, and any other modifications needed for it to turn on.
It took $4k to put a LS1/T56 into my FC. And that includes the cost of the car. Since then, with paint, wheels, tires, heads, cam, intake, I've got another $4k in it. But I did everything I listed above except for grind my own cam and forge my heads and wheels.

Originally Posted by phoenix7
You can find decent mileage Z06s for ~$25K.
I get 27mpgs in my LS1/FC going down the highway with the AC on. And I don't know what it is during spirited driving, but it's not much. That said, I do much more highway driving than I do spirited.

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I can avoid all the sacrilegious swapping, and labor and just buy a sick car to begin with.
Many people do. But many people enjoy building things, working with their hands, and creating something unusual.

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Am I making any sense?
No, because you're making demands from people to want to know what gas mileage they actually get, but you make claims that an LS1 swap will cost you some crazy figure.

How much has an LS1 swap cost YOU? Untill you can answer that, please stop posting speculation.
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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by revsk8erdude
they are ebay estimates.

yeah, they are really that good. do some shopping.
Not gonna happen guy.

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ok im very new to the site but i ran accross this and thought i would say something.

revsk8erdude u are on the right path. **** all that **** everyone says. i understand the rotary. I LOVE THE ROTARY. BUT when it comes to reliablity + power a v8 is the way to go. i am on here doing research on chasis and areo dynamics in relation to the fd. i started with research on the 13b and on to the 20b. from what i have read and seen u would dump tons of money into a rotary to make 600hp period.....

i have a friend doing what is called an lsx swap. he bought a engine that came out of a yukon or some ****. i cant remember nor can i remember what the displacement was. but these engines only cost like 500-700 dollars.

a few simple mods and hes looking at 500-600 whp. he is putting it into a s14. after car $6000, engine $600, heads, drivetrain, and all hes looking at 13000 for a car that will stomp a c6 zo6 (coming in at like $60,000) reliably.

im about to do the same thing into a fd but with twins. weekend worrior only vehicle. but im looking for like 800whp 1000 with lots of boost. this is possiable with this swap. im looking to dump more money in it such as a full build but if u just wanted cheap reliable power the lsx swap is the way to go.

go to the ls1tech forums and go to the swaps and modification forum u will see some insain ****. jus a little FYI
Wow dude,
1. WHO ARE YOU?
2. What have you done?
3. Prove it.

since you want to get technical this is the LSX
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...ock/index.html

For an LS1 to pump out 500hp it needs heads that can flow 350cc's (according to Engine Masters magazine) You'd be hard pressed for that and if so it'd cost more than what you estimate.



Originally Posted by revsk8erdude
hahaha.

im not as dumb as you guys thought!

right on brother!


i guess i should go ahead and say it though.

well.

i have a fully built CRX purpose drag car running 9's on 18 psi. thats my race car.

i dont need another.

this one is supposed to be my daily driver.

i just want it a little faster, not popping wheelies when i floor the pedal.

so im going with a $1500, 13-b turbo II from ebay. install myself.

save up and get a bigger turbo and NX n-tercooler spray kit.

there. its done.


ive finally made up my mind and thats how its going to be.


if the rotary goes out in the future (pray to christ it wont) i will consider a v8.


thread over.
you're a bit out of your element here guy...you asked for people to SHARE their knowledge with you but you choose not to accept it. You try and argue their experience. It doesn't work like that....i haven't been on this forum in a long time and this is the first thread i stop in on and i see this lol.

Honestly you sound like a big ricer to me.

Btw I've gone the rotary root now i'm in the process of installing a LS1 in my car.

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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 12:31 PM
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The LS1 will cost me nothing because I won't do the swap. If I wanted torque I would have bought a WS6.

I wasn't demanding anything, i know better than to ask the V8 guys anything without you getting all bent and pissy defending your swap. I did my job here, Peace!
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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by phoenix7

I need to find a local V8 guy that isn't a huge ***** and will do some testing with me to the the pros and cons of the swap. REALISTICALLY.
It's been done and published in Sport Compact Car in the September 2006 issue.

So there you have it, the rotary RX-7 is still faster, although clearly there were some testing issues. Though the cars were as close as we could find in terms of power output, Wan's car is a fully prepared race car and the Bastard clearly has a few kinks to work out. With matched tires, we're sure the LS1 Bastard would whip the rotary FD3S. Yeah, we said it. Sure, this won't convince the faithful; Wan prefers the quick-revving, nimble nature of the rotary, despite the fact that it takes more work to stay in the power band. But the Bastard has conquered our hearts like the fatherless Francisco Pizzaro conquered Peru. And as a daily driver or street racer, the advantage definitely goes to the V-8.

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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by KaoticFdR1
It's been done and published in Sport Compact Car in the September 2006 issue.
cool, might take a look.

Bastard. The strict definition simply means a child born out of wedlock. In modern slang, however, it has come to mean a downright despicable person. You know, a bastard, like the guy who decided to put a Camaro on the cover of this magazine. But bastard can mean "not genuine, fake," or "resembling a known kind of species but not truly such." So when we call this LS1-powered Mazda RX-7 a bastard, we are right on so many levels, even though we mean it in the nicest sort of way.
Does such blasphemy actually happen? Believe it. RX-7 tuners are doing the unthinkable: switching out the beloved, cult classic 13B rotary engine for the knuckle-dragging, pushrod-pumping LS1 V-8. Of course we had to investigate--and compare one such bastard with a real rotary. Though the swap is becoming increasingly common with both second- and third-generation RX-7s, we chose a pushrod-powered FD3S, because these chassis are highly regarded by enthusiasts and, well, dead gorgeous.

The RX-7 we have deemed Bastard is gold in color and owned by Duy Le, marketing manager at Injen, the aftermarket intake manufacturer. It is fairly heavily tuned by street-car standards, with a rollcage, stripped interior, and some minor bolt-ons. Up against the Bastard is the prodigal son, a highly tuned rotary RX-7 that served as the primary drift/track car for Falken-sponsored Formula D driver Calvin Wan. For a look at the other side of the bastard's family tree, we also brought along an '01 Chevy Camaro SS. How is an aberration such as Le's Bastard created? It starts with a used RX-7. It's common knowledge that RX-7s aren't the most reliable cars around. Blown apex seals and overheating are frequent problems, but more often it is poorly executed tuning or over boosting that turns the 13B into an IED. With FD chassis sans blown engines going for little more than a few thousand dollars, swap-happy enthusiasts have been snapping them up and creating a cottage industry for LS1 recyclers.
I don't know about the Common knowledge part, but even though he recused himself by saying it can be a tuning issue, I can't bring myself to take this guy seriously. SCC writers are annoying, always have been.....If you can find the whole article let me know.

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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 03:12 PM
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And it's very common knowledge...especially the overheating....within the first month of owning my FD years ago i had to replace that POS stock radiator.

I've got the magazine right in front of me....if you do a search on here...i believe someone scanned it and posted it up.
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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 03:22 PM
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I don't own and FD but I know that the stock radiator and clamps tend to fail over time. I also know the AST is a very crucial part of the cooling system among the other things I've read up on over time. To me, it seems that "common knowledge" should be WHAT needs to be maintained and looked at often not random misconceptions.

By stating that "common knowledge is that the RX7 isn't the most reliable car around" just shows me this person has no idea what he's talking about. He has no common sense OR any knowledge beyond what he thinks he knows.


Searched for "September Sports Compact Car" and the thread you talked about was not in there but here is something worth watching.
https://www.rx7club.com/rx-7-audio-visual-lounge-143/v8pushrodmullet-vs-ninja-rotary-argument-settled-482279/

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