The Official FC Wheel Fitment Thread
THE BIRDS
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From: Olympia, WA
Originally Posted by RacerXtreme7
OK, so months later when you remember how you cowardly left a comment only to disappear you'll see this "retort".
Originally Posted by RacerXtreme7
Funny how you already have it in your head that I'm opposed to you already and will leave a defensive comment
Originally Posted by RacerXtreme7
YES I agree that toe will wear a tire MUCH quicker then camber no doubt, and I don't doubt that most of the tire wear you see out there is from toe because some guys just don't get their stuff aligned.
Originally Posted by sixgears
not to blame for most people's tire wear issues
Originally Posted by RacerXtreme7
toe will wear a tire MUCH quicker then camber
Originally Posted by RacerXtreme7
But your acting like camber doesn't wear tires
Originally Posted by RacerXtreme7
you've been hit with the stupid stick too many times and the sap from such stick has seeped into your brain. What is this you’re new found internet wisdom you discovered and are the self proclaimed king of this misinformation?
Originally Posted by RacerXtreme7
Remember (if you have the tension span to read my small retort and can comprehend what you’re reading)
Originally Posted by RacerXtreme7
I'm agreeing with your comment, but NOT agreeing with your attitude that camber won’t wear tires out. If you believe such none-sense, well, I don't care lol.
Summed up, yeah, toe wears tires much faster then camber ever will.
Summed up, yeah, toe wears tires much faster then camber ever will.
For the sake of civility, don't cloud this thread with anymore of your nonsensical attacks against the whole. We (those who prefer to fit wider than 8s and 9s on our RX7s), see your point of view and don't give a rat's *** about it. You're not doing anyone ANY good by telling us that we're doing things wrong. Deal with it.
I'll check back b/c I know something juicy is coming. Don't let everyone down.
You're on stage.
You're calling me a coward for not frequenting this forum? I typically do not come on here for this reason exactly - but there was something that told me I would get this sort of response out of you.
Tell me I was wrong to think such.....
Good, glad to hear that. Since we're on exactly the same page as of this point, you shouldn't have much more to say. For reference:
The key word here is blame. If then the logical conclusion is that in MOST cases, the MAJORITY of the blame should be placed on toe.
No, my friend, I was not.
Getting feisty now, huh. GROW UP E-thug.
It's "ATTENTION span", bro.
This again? You could have said it once and not have gotten so damn wound up about it and you would have been doing us all a favor.
For the sake of civility, don't cloud this thread with anymore of your nonsensical attacks against the whole. We (those who prefer to fit wider than 8s and 9s on our RX7s), see your point of view and don't give a rat's *** about it. You're not doing anyone ANY good by telling us that we're doing things wrong. Deal with it.
I'll check back b/c I know something juicy is coming. Don't let everyone down.
You're on stage.
Tell me I was wrong to think such.....
Good, glad to hear that. Since we're on exactly the same page as of this point, you shouldn't have much more to say. For reference:
The key word here is blame. If then the logical conclusion is that in MOST cases, the MAJORITY of the blame should be placed on toe.
No, my friend, I was not.
Getting feisty now, huh. GROW UP E-thug.
It's "ATTENTION span", bro.
This again? You could have said it once and not have gotten so damn wound up about it and you would have been doing us all a favor.
For the sake of civility, don't cloud this thread with anymore of your nonsensical attacks against the whole. We (those who prefer to fit wider than 8s and 9s on our RX7s), see your point of view and don't give a rat's *** about it. You're not doing anyone ANY good by telling us that we're doing things wrong. Deal with it.
I'll check back b/c I know something juicy is coming. Don't let everyone down.
You're on stage.
every instance I've seen/experienced of accelerated tire wear was because of bad camber.
the reason is you can't fix bad camber from decent lowering without getting camber adjusters, which most people don't. but toe can be fixed by an alignment easily. therefor as long as you're not a dumbass and actually get alignments fairly regularly, toe will never be an issue (unless you want the toe) while fixing camber takes much more effort.
I think you're the *** here who just makes up random statistics and claim them as fact, that kind of **** is exactly what ruins forums.
THE BIRDS
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Well I think a lot of people OTHER than you have "seen/experienced" poor wear characteristics that were based on toe issues, rather than camber. I did strictly alignments at a shop for a span, that is where my "random statistics" come from.
I do agree with your second statement, it is an obvious fact.
I'm really not trying to be an ***, I did not mean to come across that way. Reread my first post with that in mind. I was merely speaking out of experience.
When "Mike" decided to continue his crusade against what I consider to be stylish and somewhat functional wheel fitment in the manner that he did, I could not help but defend myself. Did you not think that some of his statements were but a little bit childish?
As for what ruins forums, IN MY OPINION, it is actually the closed-mindedness combined with a hasty tongue that are actually at fault.
Carry on.
I do agree with your second statement, it is an obvious fact.
I'm really not trying to be an ***, I did not mean to come across that way. Reread my first post with that in mind. I was merely speaking out of experience.
When "Mike" decided to continue his crusade against what I consider to be stylish and somewhat functional wheel fitment in the manner that he did, I could not help but defend myself. Did you not think that some of his statements were but a little bit childish?
As for what ruins forums, IN MY OPINION, it is actually the closed-mindedness combined with a hasty tongue that are actually at fault.
Carry on.
32 - 37 mm spacer in the back, based on my calculations.
All right guys, settle down, if you want to argue, take it to the lounge or PM.
I've read lotta 17x8 35mm 235/45 (F), 17x9 35mm 255/40 (R), but I dont think ive read any with tokiko (blues) and eibach springs. Im assuming ima have to roll the fenders at least. im leaning towards something like work equips.
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
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Well guys I got some new wheels and tires for my vert that fill the fenders well and look real good with no rubbing but they are close to the struts on the front (1/4" gap) they are 16x7 rims with a 40 offset, 225/50 R16 tires front and rear. I will take pics soon.
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That's the same as stock TII/GTUs size wheels, and it's common to have very little clearance on the inside with those size tires. If you're not having rubbing then don't worry about it and just leave it be.
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Here is a zip of an excel file that i made up when i got tired of going to the web calculator
You put in your starting wheel width and offset, the wheel you are going to, the old tire SECTION width the NEW tire section width and the MEASING WHEEL Width....
It then take into account the diffference in the wheel size, offset, tire size and measuring wheel size...
Measuring wheel size is important... the section width a tire will expand .2 inches for every .5 inches you go over the size of the wheel that the section widtch of the tire was originally measured on...
Example... a 215/45/18 tire may have a section with of 8.5 inches as measured on a 7 inch rim (this is actually a Kumho MX)...... If you put it on an 8 inch rim, it will now have a section width of closer to 7.4 inches.... This can make a big difference when trying to get past the front suspension on our cars. It may also explain why some people get away with 225's on 8 inchers and others do not!!!!
I used 9MM as too far in on the fronts, 30 mm as too far in on the back and 25 mm as too far out...
Play with it... se what you guys think... If you have GOOD numbers and HAVE PICS of tire/wheel combos that this thins says wont work.. lemme know so i can fix it and get a new version out.
You put in your starting wheel width and offset, the wheel you are going to, the old tire SECTION width the NEW tire section width and the MEASING WHEEL Width....
It then take into account the diffference in the wheel size, offset, tire size and measuring wheel size...
Measuring wheel size is important... the section width a tire will expand .2 inches for every .5 inches you go over the size of the wheel that the section widtch of the tire was originally measured on...
Example... a 215/45/18 tire may have a section with of 8.5 inches as measured on a 7 inch rim (this is actually a Kumho MX)...... If you put it on an 8 inch rim, it will now have a section width of closer to 7.4 inches.... This can make a big difference when trying to get past the front suspension on our cars. It may also explain why some people get away with 225's on 8 inchers and others do not!!!!
I used 9MM as too far in on the fronts, 30 mm as too far in on the back and 25 mm as too far out...
Play with it... se what you guys think... If you have GOOD numbers and HAVE PICS of tire/wheel combos that this thins says wont work.. lemme know so i can fix it and get a new version out.
Last edited by George84; Feb 10, 2008 at 09:03 PM.
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Every tire is a little different, so you'll never have any calculator that's 100% accurate all the time. The most you can hole for is that it's maybe within 5% 90% of the time.
In front coilovers really don't give any more clearance. Maybe if you're previously running springs that gave less clearance then yes, but generally it's a no.
In front coilovers really don't give any more clearance. Maybe if you're previously running springs that gave less clearance then yes, but generally it's a no.
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Amazingly, that's actually correct.
Unless you get one of those coilovers that offer adjustable lower perches that you can spin it all the way up to clear the tire sidewall, you don't get more clearance.
I know the Tein RA and HKS coilovers allow you to do this.
Ground Controls don't - in fact, they eat up more space due to the adjustable lower perch usually sitting right next to the tire sidewell.
For rears, even if you go with a "thin" spring, you run into clearance issues with the trailing arm snaking to the front of the car.
Tires / wheels tend to hit both the stock (type) spring and the trailing arm at about the same time.
-Ted
Unless you get one of those coilovers that offer adjustable lower perches that you can spin it all the way up to clear the tire sidewall, you don't get more clearance.
I know the Tein RA and HKS coilovers allow you to do this.
Ground Controls don't - in fact, they eat up more space due to the adjustable lower perch usually sitting right next to the tire sidewell.
For rears, even if you go with a "thin" spring, you run into clearance issues with the trailing arm snaking to the front of the car.
Tires / wheels tend to hit both the stock (type) spring and the trailing arm at about the same time.
-Ted
hmmm.....something I didn't know, I'll remember that for next time.
I had thought it was the way I thought it was because I had issues with spring rub running 225 Bridgestones (which are notorious for being wider than their stated width) on stock TII wheels with Tanabe springs, I had thought I wasnt clearing one of the coils, but I guess it might have been the perch.
I had thought it was the way I thought it was because I had issues with spring rub running 225 Bridgestones (which are notorious for being wider than their stated width) on stock TII wheels with Tanabe springs, I had thought I wasnt clearing one of the coils, but I guess it might have been the perch.