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... huh ...
first off i like ur car
im not saying im a track guy, i ****** drift...
i do like track and have appropriate ... nm i use the same **** i love it
bitch slap me... wow e thug watch out hahaha
i never said u MUST run the rims and tires i run to be cool
im open minded about a ton of ****
i like ur car, id do thigns different but the weay u have it set up u must like it
mad tyte skills? im not a ****** 16 yr old who just learned how to drive
i started with basic skills and staretd going to autox's 3 yrs ago man
im a firm beleiver in car control, before u start to drift u learn ur basic car handling moves
altezzas? bov makers? im not a god damn honda owner man
my s13 has full suspension, diff, recaro bucketeteers, steering wheel, vented hood, z brakes, etc etc etc... THEN i said i feel its time to move on to more power, then i put a sr in, look at that its a turbo big deal
not everyone who buys a car goes to the track only
i sure as **** didnt buy it for a show queen
ill make a introduce urself thread and show my junker of a car doenst big me a bit
wow OT alert hahahaa
heres a pic of my car, doenst rub, turns on a dime, and it makes me smile from ear to ear
ive owned it for 5 yrs, and have gone through good and bad times, its called learning u old farts, u all been there before
first off i like ur car
im not saying im a track guy, i ****** drift...
i do like track and have appropriate ... nm i use the same **** i love it
bitch slap me... wow e thug watch out hahaha
i never said u MUST run the rims and tires i run to be cool
im open minded about a ton of ****
i like ur car, id do thigns different but the weay u have it set up u must like it
mad tyte skills? im not a ****** 16 yr old who just learned how to drive
i started with basic skills and staretd going to autox's 3 yrs ago man
im a firm beleiver in car control, before u start to drift u learn ur basic car handling moves
altezzas? bov makers? im not a god damn honda owner man
my s13 has full suspension, diff, recaro bucketeteers, steering wheel, vented hood, z brakes, etc etc etc... THEN i said i feel its time to move on to more power, then i put a sr in, look at that its a turbo big deal
not everyone who buys a car goes to the track only
i sure as **** didnt buy it for a show queen
ill make a introduce urself thread and show my junker of a car doenst big me a bit
wow OT alert hahahaa
heres a pic of my car, doenst rub, turns on a dime, and it makes me smile from ear to ear
ive owned it for 5 yrs, and have gone through good and bad times, its called learning u old farts, u all been there before
hey now now.. he may come off as an *** online but he's a nice guy in person. he respects both ends of the spectrum, but doesnt seem to communicate it that well.
(we've had our fair share of arguments)
as for me wanting to fit some lower offset wheels, it's just merely for aesthetics. for track use, i run 17x9+45 255/40/17 and i'm perfectly content with it. however, for street use, i feel that the offsets could have been lower, especially in the rear.
(we've had our fair share of arguments)as for me wanting to fit some lower offset wheels, it's just merely for aesthetics. for track use, i run 17x9+45 255/40/17 and i'm perfectly content with it. however, for street use, i feel that the offsets could have been lower, especially in the rear.
holy **** i tripped and fell into a fun thread.
First let me say I like the guy who started this threads wheels.
Second I obviously like Rich's car as a whole.
3rd, I guess I am the biggest bitch on the planet because I drive a car with 19/9.5 in front and 20/13 in the rear. Seriously **** me....However I agree with what was said above, flex happens on a track, and if this car was going to be auto x or raced, off come these wheels...They look great but are heavier then one would want, and not racing wheels, but they do get me to the market ok....

First let me say I like the guy who started this threads wheels.
Second I obviously like Rich's car as a whole.
3rd, I guess I am the biggest bitch on the planet because I drive a car with 19/9.5 in front and 20/13 in the rear. Seriously **** me....However I agree with what was said above, flex happens on a track, and if this car was going to be auto x or raced, off come these wheels...They look great but are heavier then one would want, and not racing wheels, but they do get me to the market ok....

Originally Posted by mirabile
... I guess I am the biggest bitch on the planet because I drive a car with 19/9.5 in front and 20/13 in the rear....

well, id say ur darn close... now only if i could afford to be a bitch too, humm...
Hey Zack, it's James the guy that rolled your fenders. It's good to see your car is coming along. For all you non believers, you haven't done it, so you don't know what it takes. Keep your traps shut cuz you haven't done it. I don't see the point in not rolling your fenders for more clearance. You're not hindering your set up, but only making more space available to run lower offset wheel or a even wider tire if you wanted.
Goodfella, the car looks good, but the offset is poo poo cuz you could pull off another 10mm all around. Noticed you're using a stock seat. Most of the guys here have full bucket seats in their street cars, as i do too. A little more extreme set up than yours. What i'm trying to get at is, your definition of a street driven track car is different from others.
Some of you guys spout off like you work at tire rack or discount tires. Go back to looking at your generic set ups. It's okay to fit a more extreme set up. That's the point of modifying your car. If we all did it the same, we'd look like the next guy.
Goodfella, the car looks good, but the offset is poo poo cuz you could pull off another 10mm all around. Noticed you're using a stock seat. Most of the guys here have full bucket seats in their street cars, as i do too. A little more extreme set up than yours. What i'm trying to get at is, your definition of a street driven track car is different from others.
Some of you guys spout off like you work at tire rack or discount tires. Go back to looking at your generic set ups. It's okay to fit a more extreme set up. That's the point of modifying your car. If we all did it the same, we'd look like the next guy.
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Why don't we just cut off the fenders completely?? Then we could run an unlimited offset?! Hell we could run the wheels all the way out so they'd come just short of crossing into the next lane?
I don't believe anyone had a problem with rolling the fenders...the issue was rubbing WITH rolled fenders. I think plague's car looks really good, but it's not as practical as Rich's car, and Rich's car is still gorgeous, so he has the best of both worlds.
And because Rich doesn't have "full buckets" (I didn't our stockers were bench seats!), that means it's not necessarily a track car? HAHAHAHAHA. Nice. It's amazing how little people know about the FD, how much R&D went into it to make it the most streetable sports car.
The one's you feel should "keep their trapz shut cuz they don't know", are making their case on actual results from people that have built real race cars, not street machines that would be qualified for a 2 fast 2 furious battle like yourself. Just because they may not have done it, doesn't mean they don't know. It's called learning from other's mistakes.
I'm gonna go look for some 55 gallon drums I can turn on their side and put some tires on. That's mad sick!
I don't believe anyone had a problem with rolling the fenders...the issue was rubbing WITH rolled fenders. I think plague's car looks really good, but it's not as practical as Rich's car, and Rich's car is still gorgeous, so he has the best of both worlds.
And because Rich doesn't have "full buckets" (I didn't our stockers were bench seats!), that means it's not necessarily a track car? HAHAHAHAHA. Nice. It's amazing how little people know about the FD, how much R&D went into it to make it the most streetable sports car.
The one's you feel should "keep their trapz shut cuz they don't know", are making their case on actual results from people that have built real race cars, not street machines that would be qualified for a 2 fast 2 furious battle like yourself. Just because they may not have done it, doesn't mean they don't know. It's called learning from other's mistakes.
I'm gonna go look for some 55 gallon drums I can turn on their side and put some tires on. That's mad sick!
Last edited by speedjunkie; Dec 19, 2006 at 10:52 AM.
Hey Jack,
The issue isn't with fender rolling... my fenders are rolled... the issue is with fitting tires that are too small and/or cranking in some ridiculous amount of camber in order to fit wheels that don't have enough offset. Or, looked at another way, the issue of going through gymnastics to fit weels that are far wider than you need for the tires size you're ultimately going to use.
Particularly with the FD, simple contact of an unrolled fender lip isn't the whole story. I don't want a tire contacting a rolled lip either, and potentially denting or deforming the fender, tearing up the liner mounting tabs, the liner itself, or the wiring harness that's underneath it. The shape of the FD front fender wll is simply such that you CANNOT have a wheel/tire within a paper-width proximity to the fender when pointed straight (like the car pictured on previous page, and expect that you'll have the clearance needed for turning the wheel.
I'll say it again for you thickies out there:
STATIC SETTINGS LIKE CAMBER AND TIRE SIZING ARE NOT WHEEL FITMENT TOOLS.
The issue isn't with fender rolling... my fenders are rolled... the issue is with fitting tires that are too small and/or cranking in some ridiculous amount of camber in order to fit wheels that don't have enough offset. Or, looked at another way, the issue of going through gymnastics to fit weels that are far wider than you need for the tires size you're ultimately going to use.
Particularly with the FD, simple contact of an unrolled fender lip isn't the whole story. I don't want a tire contacting a rolled lip either, and potentially denting or deforming the fender, tearing up the liner mounting tabs, the liner itself, or the wiring harness that's underneath it. The shape of the FD front fender wll is simply such that you CANNOT have a wheel/tire within a paper-width proximity to the fender when pointed straight (like the car pictured on previous page, and expect that you'll have the clearance needed for turning the wheel.
I'll say it again for you thickies out there:
STATIC SETTINGS LIKE CAMBER AND TIRE SIZING ARE NOT WHEEL FITMENT TOOLS.
Originally Posted by drift into a curb
Hey Zack, it's James the guy that rolled your fenders. It's good to see your car is coming along. For all you non believers, you haven't done it, so you don't know what it takes. Keep your traps shut cuz you haven't done it. I don't see the point in not rolling your fenders for more clearance. You're not hindering your set up, but only making more space available to run lower offset wheel or a even wider tire if you wanted.
Goodfella, the car looks good, but the offset is poo poo cuz you could pull off another 10mm all around. Noticed you're using a stock seat. Most of the guys here have full bucket seats in their street cars, as i do too. A little more extreme set up than yours. What i'm trying to get at is, your definition of a street driven track car is different from others.
Some of you guys spout off like you work at tire rack or discount tires. Go back to looking at your generic set ups. It's okay to fit a more extreme set up. That's the point of modifying your car. If we all did it the same, we'd look like the next guy.
Goodfella, the car looks good, but the offset is poo poo cuz you could pull off another 10mm all around. Noticed you're using a stock seat. Most of the guys here have full bucket seats in their street cars, as i do too. A little more extreme set up than yours. What i'm trying to get at is, your definition of a street driven track car is different from others.
Some of you guys spout off like you work at tire rack or discount tires. Go back to looking at your generic set ups. It's okay to fit a more extreme set up. That's the point of modifying your car. If we all did it the same, we'd look like the next guy.
if they can do, so can you
EXACTLY, you are right....
...and if a few kids with honda's can get it( VIP Style ) right then i know a REX can get it to!!!
in example...
http://vipstylecars.com/forum/index.php?topic=1200.0
and
http://vipstylecars.com/forum/index.php?topic=2542.0
and
http://autoshow.permaisuri.com/Conte...20060206231224
..ps, im not kidding! (now forget that its a honda and you have a basis of VIP inspiration [junction produce, Endless, Work, ETC ETC])
...and if a few kids with honda's can get it( VIP Style ) right then i know a REX can get it to!!!
in example...
http://vipstylecars.com/forum/index.php?topic=1200.0
and
http://vipstylecars.com/forum/index.php?topic=2542.0
and
http://autoshow.permaisuri.com/Conte...20060206231224
..ps, im not kidding! (now forget that its a honda and you have a basis of VIP inspiration [junction produce, Endless, Work, ETC ETC])
Great, you guys are using CIVICS as a model for how to modify an FD.....
In case you didn't notice, those were pretty much show cars.....jesus christ. In case you also didn't notice, even on those civics, the wheels didn't stick out past the fenders like some of these fitments do. Jesus christ.
In case you didn't notice, those were pretty much show cars.....jesus christ. In case you also didn't notice, even on those civics, the wheels didn't stick out past the fenders like some of these fitments do. Jesus christ.
Did you honestly just tell us your mods...and include steering wheel?
Calling names to a forum veteran that knows more about the rx7, and most cars in general than you ever will is just making you look like a bigger moron than you really are...
Calling names to a forum veteran that knows more about the rx7, and most cars in general than you ever will is just making you look like a bigger moron than you really are...
Originally Posted by battleaxe
... huh ...
first off i like ur car
im not saying im a track guy, i ****** drift...
i do like track and have appropriate ... nm i use the same **** i love it
bitch slap me... wow e thug watch out hahaha
i never said u MUST run the rims and tires i run to be cool
im open minded about a ton of ****
i like ur car, id do thigns different but the weay u have it set up u must like it
mad tyte skills? im not a ****** 16 yr old who just learned how to drive
i started with basic skills and staretd going to autox's 3 yrs ago man
im a firm beleiver in car control, before u start to drift u learn ur basic car handling moves
altezzas? bov makers? im not a god damn honda owner man
my s13 has full suspension, diff, recaro bucketeteers, steering wheel, vented hood, z brakes, etc etc etc... THEN i said i feel its time to move on to more power, then i put a sr in, look at that its a turbo big deal
not everyone who buys a car goes to the track only
i sure as **** didnt buy it for a show queen
ill make a introduce urself thread and show my junker of a car doenst big me a bit
wow OT alert hahahaa
heres a pic of my car, doenst rub, turns on a dime, and it makes me smile from ear to ear
ive owned it for 5 yrs, and have gone through good and bad times, its called learning u old farts, u all been there before

first off i like ur car
im not saying im a track guy, i ****** drift...
i do like track and have appropriate ... nm i use the same **** i love it
bitch slap me... wow e thug watch out hahaha
i never said u MUST run the rims and tires i run to be cool
im open minded about a ton of ****
i like ur car, id do thigns different but the weay u have it set up u must like it
mad tyte skills? im not a ****** 16 yr old who just learned how to drive
i started with basic skills and staretd going to autox's 3 yrs ago man
im a firm beleiver in car control, before u start to drift u learn ur basic car handling moves
altezzas? bov makers? im not a god damn honda owner man
my s13 has full suspension, diff, recaro bucketeteers, steering wheel, vented hood, z brakes, etc etc etc... THEN i said i feel its time to move on to more power, then i put a sr in, look at that its a turbo big deal
not everyone who buys a car goes to the track only
i sure as **** didnt buy it for a show queen
ill make a introduce urself thread and show my junker of a car doenst big me a bit
wow OT alert hahahaa
heres a pic of my car, doenst rub, turns on a dime, and it makes me smile from ear to ear
ive owned it for 5 yrs, and have gone through good and bad times, its called learning u old farts, u all been there before

lol@speedjunkie i didn't question how much r&d went into the FD. a couple of my friends have r1 track models for whatever that counts. and the seats are not all that great.. unless you're too fat to fit in a bucket seat, there's nothing wrong with running one in a street car. You guys spent whatever 14-20 some grand on your cars. You think you could stick in a quality racing seat or two? I just think your guys' definition of daily driven track car doesn't necessarily fit mine. Daily driven track car may include most of these: tires, suspension, seat, drivetrain(differential, etc). A good seat is important to me as I'd rather not fight with my legs when I'm taking several corners on the track.
Hey guys, you gotta consider in these factors. how low you want to go? how much work you want to make it clear? how your suspension is set up? (what spring rates? stiffness of damping? what's your alignment?) It's like you guys are assuming he's only rolled his fenders and he's going to run stock alignment settings. If that's your cup of tea, then keep it that way. Not everyone runs the same set up as you, and you shouldn't have to force it upon them. By the way, I don't want to plug in my work because this is his thread, but I do guarantee if you need to roll or pull more considering your set up, I do pull fender arches for more clearance as I did with zach's but kept his to a minimum (since he wanted near perfect clearance). So in the end, I can flare it more than i did with his set up right now (since you guys can't tell from the picture).
By the way ptrhanh, the name is James, not Jack. The liner tabs are usually hammered out of the way or removed. He's not running any liner to my knowledge. He may install it later, but it's not detrimental as it's not his daily driver. As for the harness, he can relocate it to run through the engine bay by splicing the harness if it's such a concern. And the good thing about modifying a car, he can decide if he needs a wider tire depending on his power/alignment/type of tire. He can modify the fender whether he wants by calling me up to do it or he might opt for a wide over fender kit. Or if it's rubbing on the inside, there's a nice option called the craftsman hammer.
QUIT BEING SUCH SISSIES. Let him build it. At the end if he doesn't like it, you can tell him you told him so. But as of now, it's looking fine and I tried to let him know of possible areas of rubbing. You guys think you have the end all to daily driven track cars. Open up your eyes, look at other builds. I'm not gonna let an excuse "ohhh mazda designed it this way blah blah blah" sure because it's meant for the average schmoe to be able to handle and maintain.
Hey guys, you gotta consider in these factors. how low you want to go? how much work you want to make it clear? how your suspension is set up? (what spring rates? stiffness of damping? what's your alignment?) It's like you guys are assuming he's only rolled his fenders and he's going to run stock alignment settings. If that's your cup of tea, then keep it that way. Not everyone runs the same set up as you, and you shouldn't have to force it upon them. By the way, I don't want to plug in my work because this is his thread, but I do guarantee if you need to roll or pull more considering your set up, I do pull fender arches for more clearance as I did with zach's but kept his to a minimum (since he wanted near perfect clearance). So in the end, I can flare it more than i did with his set up right now (since you guys can't tell from the picture).
By the way ptrhanh, the name is James, not Jack. The liner tabs are usually hammered out of the way or removed. He's not running any liner to my knowledge. He may install it later, but it's not detrimental as it's not his daily driver. As for the harness, he can relocate it to run through the engine bay by splicing the harness if it's such a concern. And the good thing about modifying a car, he can decide if he needs a wider tire depending on his power/alignment/type of tire. He can modify the fender whether he wants by calling me up to do it or he might opt for a wide over fender kit. Or if it's rubbing on the inside, there's a nice option called the craftsman hammer.
QUIT BEING SUCH SISSIES. Let him build it. At the end if he doesn't like it, you can tell him you told him so. But as of now, it's looking fine and I tried to let him know of possible areas of rubbing. You guys think you have the end all to daily driven track cars. Open up your eyes, look at other builds. I'm not gonna let an excuse "ohhh mazda designed it this way blah blah blah" sure because it's meant for the average schmoe to be able to handle and maintain.
Last edited by drift into a curb; Dec 19, 2006 at 08:44 PM.
hey lil buddy, I didnt know you were on this forum. Yeah stock FD seats and lsd's are the gay for sure.....
Sadly I dont think any of these guys will uderstand your point of view, maybe they need to come out to HTM and see some horribly setup cars in action?
Sadly I dont think any of these guys will uderstand your point of view, maybe they need to come out to HTM and see some horribly setup cars in action?
Originally Posted by speedjunkie
The one's you feel should "keep their trapz shut cuz they don't know", are making their case on actual results from people that have built real race cars, not street machines that would be qualified for a 2 fast 2 furious battle like yourself. Just because they may not have done it, doesn't mean they don't know. It's called learning from other's mistakes.
I'm gonna go look for some 55 gallon drums I can turn on their side and put some tires on. That's mad sick!
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Originally Posted by mirabile
If that fast and furious comment was toward me, just so you know I would assrape your car up and down any track you want with my 20inch drums on it.


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Originally Posted by drift into a curb
lol@speedjunkie i didn't question how much r&d went into the FD. a couple of my friends have r1 track models for whatever that counts. and the seats are not all that great.. unless you're too fat to fit in a bucket seat, there's nothing wrong with running one in a street car. You guys spent whatever 14-20 some grand on your cars. You think you could stick in a quality racing seat or two? I just think your guys' definition of daily driven track car doesn't necessarily fit mine. Daily driven track car may include most of these: tires, suspension, seat, drivetrain(differential, etc). A good seat is important to me as I'd rather not fight with my legs when I'm taking several corners on the track.
I will be in North Carolina within a few months. Hot Import Nights. We can get together. I read the quote, and it seemed issued this way. I think the wheels will hold up ok, they have been through there share already.
Joined: Aug 2004
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From: Colorado Springs, CO
Originally Posted by mirabile
I will be in North Carolina within a few months. Hot Import Nights. We can get together. I read the quote, and it seemed issued this way. I think the wheels will hold up ok, they have been through there share already.
Originally Posted by apex_sideway
I think speedjunkie's car would win on the track . . . . a auto-x













