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12-01-06, 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ARD T2
OH MAN, it's over now.
As a DIPLOMAT, HAHAHAHAHAHA, i say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I'm a veteran like all the other "OLD TIMERS" **** just turned 30, OH NOOOO!!!!!! Life's over for me now. haha.
I too am conservative and would want to improve the FD's handling capabilities but at the same time I can see where this "drifter/VIP" style is coming from and definitely don't knock it, but will depending on your functions for the vehicle.
If you're building a track car and trying to stretch tires I'd say that's kinda not so good. So all i have to say is that it all comes down to your objectives for the car. The important thing is that each of you are happy with your car and HAVE NO REGRETS.
The modifications required to make some of this **** work and the potential issues you might have with wheel bearings, curbed rims, and all that fun stuff will greatly increase. Just make sure you are prepared to deal with some of those issues financially as well. Not too mention tire wear and OH MAN a bunch of expensive ****.
Guys, at least it still has a rotary right? hehe. Just trying to cheer y'all up. OH BTW, i didn't read any other pages. I apologize if I'm way out of context.
And Charlie, **** em all. NOBODY HAS THE BALLZ TO GET FULLY POLISHED THREE PIECE MEISTERS. HAHAHA. YOU ARE A TRUE BALLER/IDOL. Frikin CYM R1 with 3PC Pol. omg sickness.
FRANKLY US OLD TIMERS ARE GONNA LOOK AT IT FROM A RESALE VALUE STANDPOINT AND STAYING TRUE TO THE FD Suspension ENGINEERING. Not too mention we're very saddened by the lack of them remaining and to see so many of them not in original condition any longer is very saddening. Somebody better sponsor me with a FD chasis or I'll never get one that's clean.
Laters, Rishie
As a DIPLOMAT, HAHAHAHAHAHA, i say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I'm a veteran like all the other "OLD TIMERS" **** just turned 30, OH NOOOO!!!!!! Life's over for me now. haha.
I too am conservative and would want to improve the FD's handling capabilities but at the same time I can see where this "drifter/VIP" style is coming from and definitely don't knock it, but will depending on your functions for the vehicle.
If you're building a track car and trying to stretch tires I'd say that's kinda not so good. So all i have to say is that it all comes down to your objectives for the car. The important thing is that each of you are happy with your car and HAVE NO REGRETS.
The modifications required to make some of this **** work and the potential issues you might have with wheel bearings, curbed rims, and all that fun stuff will greatly increase. Just make sure you are prepared to deal with some of those issues financially as well. Not too mention tire wear and OH MAN a bunch of expensive ****.
Guys, at least it still has a rotary right? hehe. Just trying to cheer y'all up. OH BTW, i didn't read any other pages. I apologize if I'm way out of context.
And Charlie, **** em all. NOBODY HAS THE BALLZ TO GET FULLY POLISHED THREE PIECE MEISTERS. HAHAHA. YOU ARE A TRUE BALLER/IDOL. Frikin CYM R1 with 3PC Pol. omg sickness.
FRANKLY US OLD TIMERS ARE GONNA LOOK AT IT FROM A RESALE VALUE STANDPOINT AND STAYING TRUE TO THE FD Suspension ENGINEERING. Not too mention we're very saddened by the lack of them remaining and to see so many of them not in original condition any longer is very saddening. Somebody better sponsor me with a FD chasis or I'll never get one that's clean.
Laters, Rishie
understood with the whole value/rarity thing. however if done tastefully adding aero parts or big wheels definetly can increase the cars appeal to buyers when that time comes.
just because not all of us like to roll monster sidewalls and the "cram as much tire under the fender as possible" idea doesnt mean its wrong. rolling low with stretched tires/no sidewall flex has its benefits. who needs a 285 anyway? unless your hittin the dragstrip in your 400+hp monster your balloon tires are pointless, a quality 245 will do just fine. so ditch that MORE TIRE IS BETTER mentality. whether you like it or not aggressive wheels/ride height/aero can be had, and benefit the cars performance. so you guys can have your 285s and 4x4 ride height. the rest of us are gonna keep it fresh as ****
plaguepunx that **** is hot you need to have a motor/aero yesterday. handle it and post more picspicsipcs
12-01-06, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by goreify
understood with the whole value/rarity thing. however if done tastefully adding aero parts or big wheels definetly can increase the cars appeal to buyers when that time comes.
just because not all of us like to roll monster sidewalls and the "cram as much tire under the fender as possible" idea doesnt mean its wrong. rolling low with stretched tires/no sidewall flex has its benefits. who needs a 285 anyway? unless your hittin the dragstrip in your 400+hp monster your balloon tires are pointless, a quality 245 will do just fine. so ditch that MORE TIRE IS BETTER mentality. whether you like it or not aggressive wheels/ride height/aero can be had, and benefit the cars performance. so you guys can have your 285s and 4x4 ride height. the rest of us are gonna keep it fresh as ****
plaguepunx that **** is hot you need to have a motor/aero yesterday. handle it and post more picspicsipcs
just because not all of us like to roll monster sidewalls and the "cram as much tire under the fender as possible" idea doesnt mean its wrong. rolling low with stretched tires/no sidewall flex has its benefits. who needs a 285 anyway? unless your hittin the dragstrip in your 400+hp monster your balloon tires are pointless, a quality 245 will do just fine. so ditch that MORE TIRE IS BETTER mentality. whether you like it or not aggressive wheels/ride height/aero can be had, and benefit the cars performance. so you guys can have your 285s and 4x4 ride height. the rest of us are gonna keep it fresh as ****
plaguepunx that **** is hot you need to have a motor/aero yesterday. handle it and post more picspicsipcs
12-01-06, 08:07 AM
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I actually look back at it, and I think my "people pay me for my taste" comment was a little snotty... but you guys are such rubes, I don't care:
Actually, I think all-black FORGED MAGNESIUM 18x10" wheels w/ 285/30/18 slicks is about as "aggressive" as it gets. My "less" aggressive set are still a 18x10 +42 rears (minimum offset to clear w/out rolling... I actually get about 1/16" of tire residue on the inner fender lip sometimes) w/ 275/35/18.
THAT's aggressive. What you're talking about is "faux aggressive looking"... wide, highly offset wheels with rear tires you could've put on a front-driver. I think you're automatically DISQUALIFIED from calling your setup "aggressive" with a friggin' 235 mmm tire on the rear of your car.
Yeah, and that's what we "babbled about" at the top design school I graduated w/ honors from, at the many industry awards banquets I've been to, and all of the colleges i've lectured to students at.
Two wrongs don't make a right (or four either for that matter).
Let me give you a clue kid, it ain't "pretentious" if it's actually true. People hire me because they trust and value an expert opinion, not because I "tell them what to think".
"Pretentious" is puting fake performance parts on a car and pretending it's hot... like that Jay Laub peice of **** that looks like a Hotwheels car and probably barely moves under it's own power.
Originally Posted by McRussellPants
Nah, prolly not.
THAT's aggressive. What you're talking about is "faux aggressive looking"... wide, highly offset wheels with rear tires you could've put on a front-driver. I think you're automatically DISQUALIFIED from calling your setup "aggressive" with a friggin' 235 mmm tire on the rear of your car.
Originally Posted by McRussellPants
you keep on babbling on about less is more.
Originally Posted by McRussellPants
Every thing on the BN car matches its style. Agressive Kit, Agressive wheel fitment, slammed to 1in static clearance, the wing from hell.
Originally Posted by McRussellPants
But what do I know, Im not a pretentious douche that charges people 245$ an hour to tell them what to think.
"Pretentious" is puting fake performance parts on a car and pretending it's hot... like that Jay Laub peice of **** that looks like a Hotwheels car and probably barely moves under it's own power.
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12-01-06, 08:21 AM
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More IS better when it has a FUNCTION, genius. "cramming more tire" under the car increases cornering and braking capability for use on a REAL track for REAL motorsports, like road racing. That's why they do it on REAL racecars built by REAL engineers. Big wheels are for big tires, for big boy cars on which a 245 will NOT do.
"Keeping it fresh as ****" isn't a function. It's poser crap for kids.
I don't run "monster sidewalls", they're ******* 30-series... about as low profile as is STILL FUNCTIONALLY BENEFICIAL. I lowered my car to 25" at the fender lips. Again, about as low as is STILL FUNCTIONALLY BENEFICIAL. I got a PERFORMANCE alignment, one where the camber is set to make the car HANDLE better, bot a camber-crank job designed to get my incorrectly-sized wheels to fit without lunching my fenders.
Over lowering your car, running too narrow and too low profile tires DIMINISHES the performance of the car. That's not opinion, and it's not a matter of "style", it's simple fact. You need to grow up and realize that there's such a thing as over-doing it... particularly asthetically, but functionally as well... and when you do it you cheapen your car, cheapen yourself, and look lik an idiot to anyone but dorks at "hot Import Nights" shows.
"Keeping it fresh as ****" isn't a function. It's poser crap for kids.
I don't run "monster sidewalls", they're ******* 30-series... about as low profile as is STILL FUNCTIONALLY BENEFICIAL. I lowered my car to 25" at the fender lips. Again, about as low as is STILL FUNCTIONALLY BENEFICIAL. I got a PERFORMANCE alignment, one where the camber is set to make the car HANDLE better, bot a camber-crank job designed to get my incorrectly-sized wheels to fit without lunching my fenders.
Over lowering your car, running too narrow and too low profile tires DIMINISHES the performance of the car. That's not opinion, and it's not a matter of "style", it's simple fact. You need to grow up and realize that there's such a thing as over-doing it... particularly asthetically, but functionally as well... and when you do it you cheapen your car, cheapen yourself, and look lik an idiot to anyone but dorks at "hot Import Nights" shows.
Originally Posted by goreify
understood with the whole value/rarity thing. however if done tastefully adding aero parts or big wheels definetly can increase the cars appeal to buyers when that time comes.
just because not all of us like to roll monster sidewalls and the "cram as much tire under the fender as possible" idea doesnt mean its wrong. rolling low with stretched tires/no sidewall flex has its benefits. who needs a 285 anyway? unless your hittin the dragstrip in your 400+hp monster your balloon tires are pointless, a quality 245 will do just fine. so ditch that MORE TIRE IS BETTER mentality. whether you like it or not aggressive wheels/ride height/aero can be had, and benefit the cars performance. so you guys can have your 285s and 4x4 ride height. the rest of us are gonna keep it fresh as ****
plaguepunx that **** is hot you need to have a motor/aero yesterday. handle it and post more picspicsipcs
just because not all of us like to roll monster sidewalls and the "cram as much tire under the fender as possible" idea doesnt mean its wrong. rolling low with stretched tires/no sidewall flex has its benefits. who needs a 285 anyway? unless your hittin the dragstrip in your 400+hp monster your balloon tires are pointless, a quality 245 will do just fine. so ditch that MORE TIRE IS BETTER mentality. whether you like it or not aggressive wheels/ride height/aero can be had, and benefit the cars performance. so you guys can have your 285s and 4x4 ride height. the rest of us are gonna keep it fresh as ****
plaguepunx that **** is hot you need to have a motor/aero yesterday. handle it and post more picspicsipcs
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12-01-06, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ptrhahn
Yeah, and that's what we "babbled about" at the top design school I graduated w/ honors from, at the many industry awards banquets I've been to, and all of the colleges i've lectured to students at.
Two wrongs don't make a right (or four either for that matter).
Let me give you a clue kid, it ain't "pretentious" if it's actually true. People hire me because they trust and value an expert opinion, not because I "tell them what to think".
Two wrongs don't make a right (or four either for that matter).
Let me give you a clue kid, it ain't "pretentious" if it's actually true. People hire me because they trust and value an expert opinion, not because I "tell them what to think".
Just curious, and what was your major?
12-01-06, 05:10 PM
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plaguepunx, let me first say that your car is going to look sick. I can't wait to see it all finished.
That said, you guys are trying to compare a d1 drift car to race cars and also to street cars and you really just can't. Haruguchi's car does exactly what it's supposed to. It's bright. It's flashy. It has huge wing. It's entertainment on wheels. It's a car built for a sport that is all about entertaining the crowd.
If the car was built for road racing it would obviously be a different car altogether. The aerodyamics would be different, the wheels/offsets wouldn't be as agressive, and it would have wider tires, but it's not made for racing. It's made for drifting.
Despite all that, Haruguchi's car would still probably put down some fast lap times on a track.
Anyway, the crazy agressive aero/stretched tires/low offset style is starting to grow on me. Mostly I think it's because it pisses so many people off.
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That said, you guys are trying to compare a d1 drift car to race cars and also to street cars and you really just can't. Haruguchi's car does exactly what it's supposed to. It's bright. It's flashy. It has huge wing. It's entertainment on wheels. It's a car built for a sport that is all about entertaining the crowd.
If the car was built for road racing it would obviously be a different car altogether. The aerodyamics would be different, the wheels/offsets wouldn't be as agressive, and it would have wider tires, but it's not made for racing. It's made for drifting.
Despite all that, Haruguchi's car would still probably put down some fast lap times on a track.
Anyway, the crazy agressive aero/stretched tires/low offset style is starting to grow on me. Mostly I think it's because it pisses so many people off.
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12-02-06, 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ptrhahn
"Keeping it fresh as ****" isn't a function. It's poser crap for kids.
12-02-06, 02:24 AM
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just curious, what would you guys say about a 19x15 with a 355/25 on it?
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here are examples of wheels that fit
if your wheels do not look like this, then they do not fit.
gap between the tire and fender, high tolerance, whatever you want to call it. if you can fit anything more than a sheet of paper between your fender and your tire, then
1. you can fit a bigger tire but are too wussy to do so
2. you can space the wheels out for a wider track but are too wussy to do so
3. you suck at body work and made your fenders wider than your wheel and tire assembly for no reason
thats all there is to it, there is no debate, if your wheels dont look like what i posted, your car is not as wide as it could be, or the tires are not as wide as they could be. YOUR WHEELS DO NOT FIT.
if your wheels do not look like this, then they do not fit.
gap between the tire and fender, high tolerance, whatever you want to call it. if you can fit anything more than a sheet of paper between your fender and your tire, then
1. you can fit a bigger tire but are too wussy to do so
2. you can space the wheels out for a wider track but are too wussy to do so
3. you suck at body work and made your fenders wider than your wheel and tire assembly for no reason
thats all there is to it, there is no debate, if your wheels dont look like what i posted, your car is not as wide as it could be, or the tires are not as wide as they could be. YOUR WHEELS DO NOT FIT.
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didn't you read? sometimes his tires leave a 1/16th strip of rubber in the inner fender.
***** SooOOOOOoooOOOoOOoooOOoOo crazy.
***** SooOOOOOoooOOOoOOoooOOoOo crazy.
12-02-06, 07:19 AM
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Absolutely, unequivocally, WRONG. A piece of a paper as a "clearance guage" isn't sufficient, and if you had a CLUE as to what you're talking about you'd know this:
Tires, wheels (even good ones) and suspension pieces flex under load. No, you probably won't encounter such loads posing it up through your local strip mall, but if you use car, particularly on track, things will rub at those sorts of clearances under cornering forces that these cars can generate (at least with proper tires they can).
Tires, wheels (even good ones) and suspension pieces flex under load. No, you probably won't encounter such loads posing it up through your local strip mall, but if you use car, particularly on track, things will rub at those sorts of clearances under cornering forces that these cars can generate (at least with proper tires they can).
Originally Posted by chmercer
here are examples of wheels that fit
if your wheels do not look like this, then they do not fit.
gap between the tire and fender, high tolerance, whatever you want to call it. if you can fit anything more than a sheet of paper between your fender and your tire, then
1. you can fit a bigger tire but are too wussy to do so
2. you can space the wheels out for a wider track but are too wussy to do so
3. you suck at body work and made your fenders wider than your wheel and tire assembly for no reason
thats all there is to it, there is no debate, if your wheels dont look like what i posted, your car is not as wide as it could be, or the tires are not as wide as they could be. YOUR WHEELS DO NOT FIT.
if your wheels do not look like this, then they do not fit.
gap between the tire and fender, high tolerance, whatever you want to call it. if you can fit anything more than a sheet of paper between your fender and your tire, then
1. you can fit a bigger tire but are too wussy to do so
2. you can space the wheels out for a wider track but are too wussy to do so
3. you suck at body work and made your fenders wider than your wheel and tire assembly for no reason
thats all there is to it, there is no debate, if your wheels dont look like what i posted, your car is not as wide as it could be, or the tires are not as wide as they could be. YOUR WHEELS DO NOT FIT.
12-02-06, 07:24 AM
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The car, in many cases, CAME with that sticker when it was new. It's a piece of history. I've also not paid for one, FWIW.
It's also not quite the same as plastering Japanese character stickers accross your car that translate to "Super dorifto-suave mega doohicki"... or whatever
It's also not quite the same as plastering Japanese character stickers accross your car that translate to "Super dorifto-suave mega doohicki"... or whatever
Originally Posted by McRussellPants
PROTIP: One should refrain from calling other people posers after spending 25$ on a sticker touting how awesome a magazine thought your car was 13yrs ago.
12-02-06, 07:26 AM
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The evidence of such rubber means there's RUBBING at some point. Anyone with a brain should be concerned about a rubber tire rubbing a metal fender lip edge on a vehicle they'll be travelling over 150 mph in.
Originally Posted by McRussellPants
didn't you read? sometimes his tires leave a 1/16th strip of rubber in the inner fender.
***** SooOOOOOoooOOOoOOoooOOoOo crazy.
***** SooOOOOOoooOOOoOOoooOOoOo crazy.
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if your tires rub under load then your suspension and tires suck *** from flexing too much
12-02-06, 01:41 PM
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Ayayay, i think we should let each live their lives as they choose to. Can't we all just get along? The Grippers, Drifters, and VIP-ers.
I have a Fabulous Scion xA that i've done mild stretch to the tires because i needed MORE LIP, on that car. But it's just a cruiser with Air Runner suspension. I think it suits that vehicles objective.
I have a Fabulous Scion xA that i've done mild stretch to the tires because i needed MORE LIP, on that car. But it's just a cruiser with Air Runner suspension. I think it suits that vehicles objective.
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Originally Posted by ptrhahn
It's also not quite the same as plastering Japanese character stickers accross your car that translate to "Super dorifto-suave mega doohicki"... or whatever
Different strokes to the same amount of lame.
The evidence of such rubber means there's RUBBING at some point. Anyone with a brain should be concerned about a rubber tire rubbing a metal fender lip edge on a vehicle they'll be travelling over 150 mph in.
Its not rocket science mr. racecar driver.
12-02-06, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by chmercer
if your tires rub under load then your suspension and tires suck *** from flexing too much
Or maybe they should be made out of concrete huh? Unless you have a solid bar for a strut and rock solid tires, your suspension and tires are gonna flex genius. That's why a suspension setup is part of the car, to soften the ride. I thought everyone knew that.
Originally Posted by McRussellPants
Different strokes to the same amount of lame.
The crazy thing is, I actually kinda like the dorifto look. But would I compromise the driveability of my own car to make it look like that? No, not so much. Why make the car undriveable so it can look like that...oh wait, so you can take it to HIN. I just think show cars are so pointless, especially if you can't drive them. What is the point?
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I'm not sure when Hot Import Nights was brought into the conversation, but none of the cars posted in this thread are show cars..."drift cars" maybe, but not show cars.
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12-02-06, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by speedjunkie
Or maybe they should be made out of concrete huh? Unless you have a solid bar for a strut and rock solid tires, your suspension and tires are gonna flex genius. That's why a suspension setup is part of the car, to soften the ride. I thought everyone knew that
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Originally Posted by speedjunkie
The Motor Trend sticker signifies that it actually won a fairly prestigious contest.
12-03-06, 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by McRussellPants
I thought that people would know about cool things like camber gain. But apparently Motor Trend doesn't talk about that much.
Hahahaha.
Hahahaha.
The world would be so much less comedic without newbs.
Originally Posted by Ethix101
I'm not sure when Hot Import Nights was brought into the conversation, but none of the cars posted in this thread are show cars..."drift cars" maybe, but not show cars.
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12-04-06, 11:03 PM
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no HIN here.
i bet this really grinds your gears speed junkie
http://www.ghost-dancer.com/main/fea...nkdrift/51.jpg
i bet this really grinds your gears speed junkie
http://www.ghost-dancer.com/main/fea...nkdrift/51.jpg
12-05-06, 07:36 AM
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^Nah not really. Like I said before, I like the look, I just think it's kinda ridiculous for someone to make their street driven car look like that, just because of the way it looks. I don't think people understand there are things racecar builders do that wouldn't necessarily be good for a street driven car, but they can do it cause they'll be rebuilding the car again before long anyway.
At least that car is actually driven instead of just dumping thousands of dollars into it just so people you don't even know can say wow. So no, that doesn't grind my gears, nice try though.
At least that car is actually driven instead of just dumping thousands of dollars into it just so people you don't even know can say wow. So no, that doesn't grind my gears, nice try though.
12-05-06, 08:29 AM
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OK, if you say so.
Secondly, hammering away at fenders isn't exactly the first choice for wheel fitment on a car in decent condition.
Secondly, hammering away at fenders isn't exactly the first choice for wheel fitment on a car in decent condition.
Originally Posted by McRussellPants
Different strokes to the same amount of lame.
Yeah, anyone with a brain would hit the area thats rubbing with a hammer/fender roller so it doesn't rub anymore.
Its not rocket science mr. racecar driver.
Yeah, anyone with a brain would hit the area thats rubbing with a hammer/fender roller so it doesn't rub anymore.
Its not rocket science mr. racecar driver.
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