Spirit Rx-7

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Fikes > Work

more pics of those miatas!

RETed

Bad pic of what you can drive on the street.
The rear has obvious too much negative camber to be steetable.
Do you like replacing tires within weeks?


-Ted

ptrhahn

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OK. Watkins Glen. VIR, Summit Point... and a proper wheel fitment: 275/35/18 on a 10" rear wheel.

ROT8TN

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tires last about 5 months...I wont even bother to comment on the rest of your stuff since your just hard headed and just want to argue
I made my point and you just call bullshit on all my points...
But the fact of the matter is what your calling BS on ....you have ZERO experience with....just spewing out BS that you think you know about it.

When you fit, drive, and dial in a car like this...I will listen to what you have to say since you will have some valid first hand knowledge and input....till then you can keep on

RETed

Is this with even tire wear?
On the street or on the track?

Wow, you lasted this long...
Why stop now?

You're just like any punk drift wannabe.
Think you know everything when you got serious racers commenting in this thread, and you shrug them off like they were snot up your nose.
You ever wonder why we all jump on your case?
Yeah, you must have some miracle set-up that allows you to defy the laws of physics, reality...and why don't we say gravity too at the same time.
Dude, you dunno what the **** you're talking about, and you have no clue who I am.
Making assine comments like that just nails the proverbial nail on the coffin.

Have fun playing Superman...



-Ted

EJayCe996

Have you even seen the FC wheel fitment thread in the suspension forums, wheel/tire/offset advice given mainly by Ted, or clicked on the link in Ted's signature to his page? He is one of the more all-around knowledgable FC guys here, albeit he he is a little too straight forward at times, and does know his **** and will admit he's wrong if you can prove him wrong. Its funny how some people assume they know everything and anyone else doesn't know a fraction of what they know. I'm not tryin to jump your case, but you really should do some research first before you tell someone like Ted that he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Risky Devil

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Who cares , let one be its own, None of you guys can talk.
NB8CT actually races his car and uses his own set up for his own style/type of driving.
Drifting , Auto X , Time trials. You guys can Bash on drifting and everything you want, but how many of you actually race your car? Seems like most of you guys getting your panties in a bunch ,just internet race on this forum and brag all day.

As far as Wheel/Tire fitment, as long as your using the contact patch of the tire ... and your choice of wheels
can be whatever you like. Opinions can be harsh but, I honestly , these wheels
are getting more hate that ebay wheels made in taiwan. wtf?

ReTED: You can't hate, be against drifting your Whole Site , has a Write Up
on how to build a " DRIFTER RACE " car. haha

Point is, The wheels are sexy, and shows how big you can go on 18s with the stock
fenders. Don't tell me, if I gave you guys the oppurtunity to buy brand new Work
Meister SP1s, you guys would get +50 offset front and rear because OEM
RZ/Spirit R rims came like that from the factory, Break out of the norm. and
stop being a lemming.

ROT8TN

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Like I said your ignorant and wanna name call and I wont even argue the points anymore, because it wont go through your dense head.

And just for the record I am not a young kind punk drifter. Im actually probably older then you, but go along and have fun bashing something you dont understand.

ptrhahn

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Look, when you tell someone they've done something incorrectly based on manufacturers specifications, that isn't "hate", OK kids?

ROT8TN

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I respect the fact that someone road races or sets there car up for this. Since I have driven on VIR and Summit point. But bashing something you dont understand is plain ignorant. The fact is a mildly stretched tire has a purpose and for a daily driver its fine. But again he wouldnt know this because he has no experience. And why can I assume this?? Because if he did he wouldnt be talking all this ****.
Then he calls me a driifter kid..lol

Yeah Im young drifting punk, let him believe that

Bigretardhead

yes, Ted is VERY knowledgeable about FC's, but this thread is not about FC's, it is about wheel fitment which he doesn't like (and certainly has not tried... why would you try something you don't like? ). he(as well as everyone else here) is arguing something he has no experience with. notice how the only people who have experience with it are the only ones still doing this kind of style/fitment? its fine to say you don't like it, thats just an opinion.
But, for the record, I have NEVER seen RETed admit he's wrong. he just stops posting in threads that don't go his way. lol. he told me that he would be impressed if my v-mount setup showed air temps of less than something like 120 degrees(don't remember the exact number). then when I went to the dyno and did some datalogging on my haltech and got temps well under that number, I came back and posted the info, and he just made some other comment completely ignoring the information I gathered. lol. funny how ted knows he's right all the time, even when he may not neccesarily be (although yeah, he USUALLY is, he is very knowledgeable, and I'm not denying that).

anyway, one last comment, about the who tire manufacturer specs and stuff.....
if there was anything wrong, or dangerous, or that really messed stuff up by stretching tires, do you think Falken Tires would stretch the tires on their team's own drift cars? you guys should go argue with falken and tell them that they're stupid for stretching the tires on their team cars. lol.

cabaynes

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I did buy brand new Work Miester S1's, and I bought the wheels with offset that was closest to stock, because it makes the most sense. I got +43 front and rear on my FD - That way I can keep stock fenders without rolling, and still run 255 and 285 series tires.

Why would I choose the wrong offsets? Does that make them cooler? What's with all this "break out of the norm" ****? It's not that I'm unoriginal, or not cool, it's that IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE to buy wheels with the wrong offsets. Personally, I buy parts for my car to IMPROVE it's performance. Increase wheel width means I can increase tire width. If you're paying for 9 and 10 inch wheels, why use tires for 7 and 8 inch wheels?

No matter how much you think stretching tires like that has some kind of performance advantage, you'll always be incorrect. Just because you've seen other people do it doesn't make it right.

Jaiyurai

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this thread is too damn funny.

my question for you is, do you have more specs on your wheels? ie. backspacing, camber, aftermarket control arms?

because I run 17x8.5 +18 and 17x9.5 +18 Panaspots on my FC race car, and there was no way the wheel fit flush with the fender. I had to roll and pull the fenders about ~10mm to get a good fitment. now, I'm not stretching my tires as much as you (235/40F & 275/40R), but I still find it hard to believe those sizes and offsets would fit on 'stock fenders'.

and in case you dont believe me..

Vicious7

I love panasports. That is a very nice looking project car there.

Imgonnagetbanned

Nice car, Jay, and you too NB8C.

The hate here is nothing short of pitiful. Someone (who happens to have a good deal of experience behind the wheel) makes one of the best wheel fitment decisions ever and is flamed for being a poser. Fantastic.

It's too bad. If an RX7 site can't recognize spectacular fitment when they see it, who can?

"Oh but the manufacturer says you should run a 2XX-XX and I wouldn't do that, the manufacturer, the manufacturer, all hail the manufacturer's glory"

Why do you even bother to modify cars with that attitude?

The FC in the banner has gross offset wheels, I don't know about you but I don't need to read any stickys or equations to figure that out.

Imgonnagetbanned

You're not kidding, this place has more freakin' nerds than miata.net, if that's even possible.

RETed

Lesse...
Laguna Seca, Thunderhill, Sears...
We used to do extensive testing on the local track (Hawaii Raceway Park) down here before it was closed back in April.
Used to do Solo II autocross back in the day - like 1994 - 1995 - too slow.
I tech a friend's drift 20B FC.
In fact, I used to help out with a bunch of the drifters down here before the track closed.

Don't you just love it when people assume ****...


-Ted

RETed

I'm 37.
How old are you?


-Ted

RETed

Still waiting on your age...

Maybe you should've stated that you're talking about RACE ONLY applications?


-Ted

RETed

Ah, lots of assumptions there...
18" x 10.5", +9 - been there, done that.
19" x 9.5", -3 and 19" x 10.5", -9 - wow, does that really fit???
Why don't you do your research before talking ****...
https://www.rx7club.com/2nd-generation-specific-1986-1992-17/rear-fender-wide-body-modification-375655/
If you don't believe me...


Again, you haven't done enough research...
Just because you didn't see me admit I'm wrong doesn't mean I haven't done it.

I don't remember all the threads I comment on...
...but, just be reading what you posted, looking at air temps while running on a dyno isn't realistic.
I'll let you use your brain to figure that one out.


You need to go learn what "advertising" and "sponsorship" mean when applied to drifting...
Just because an aftermarket parts company sells a NON-EMISSIONS COMPLIANT exhaust makes it okay and legal to run on the street?
Dude, are you serious???


-Ted

RETed

I think they are RS Watanabe RS-8's?


-Ted

RETed

Your post is so incoherent, it made my head hurt.


-Ted

Bigretardhead

sorry, what does that thread show? looks like someone else doing wide fenders on an FC.... ??? am I missing something? I don't see any stretched tires, or even you, Ted, except a comment at the end.... what is this link supposed to show?



if you read what I said, you'll find I wrote "I have never seen Ted admit he's wrong", which would imply exactly what it says.... that I've never seen you admit you're wrong. didn't say you have never ever done it - that would be stupid, as I am not around you 24/7 to hear everything you have ever said in your life.


yeah, you're right. sorry. I don't remember everything said either, so I'll leave this one be.





okay, a few things for this -

99% of people are NOT going to notice tires being stretched. guaranteed the only people that will notice are people that are already into the stretching thing, or that hate it like you guys. it would be retarded of them to use something noone is going to notice as 'advertising'.
secondly, if they were advertising the stretching tires, there are no warnings about 'stretching tires can be dangerous and decrease their performance' or 'are for track use only'. sure, they have 'recommended wheel widths', but I think those are more just to assist people that don't know what they're doing. they are simply 'recommended', and not 'mandatory or your tire will blow up', or whatever it is you think will happen... or even a 'for racing use only' warning? and why would they advertise for something that they don't want people to do? they're not going to advertise an aftermarket exahust that they don't sell...
and when did this thread ever become "I am driving these tires on the street only" ? I don't remember any mention of him saying these are for street driving only... maybe they are maybe not, but we don't know.


also, if a company is building a car for competition (weather it be racing or drifting, or whatever), they are not going to put something on their cars that will be unsafe, or sacrifice the performance of their vehicle. the ultimate advertisement is winning, so a company is not going to do something to their cars that will negatively effect the chances of that. how would falken look if one of their car's tires randomly blew out during a competition, causing them to loose? it would make people think their tires are not good enough to withstand the competition, and who would want to buy a high performance tire that cannot withstand the driving they are designed for? .... not a very good marketing idea.

RETed

It just shows how ignorant you are of what is actually happening.
You should keep your comments to yourself before blasting off your mouth.
You're really sticking your foot in your mouth.
I guess the big hint that hyperrex is also from Hawaii doesn't smack you in the face as being obvious...


Oh, now we're going to go into semantics?
Just because I don't see you being gay doesn't mean that you are gay, right?
By your theorem...


This is also a public forum.
As long as we all stay within the rules, we're entitled to say whatever we want.
If we think that set-up sucks and so long as we don't break anything in the TOS, then there is nothing you can do.
It's opinions - like ********...everyone has one.
You stated yours; we're stating ours - that's it.


[QUOTE]secondly, if they were advertising the stretching tires, there are no warnings about 'stretching tires can be dangerous and decrease their performance' or 'are for track use only'. sure, they have 'recommended wheel widths', but I think those are more just to assist people that don't know what they're doing. they are simply 'recommended', and not 'mandatory or your tire will blow up', or whatever it is you think will happen... or even a 'for racing use only' warning?[/QUOTE}
You have no clue how tire shops or the whole tire industry works.
My suggestion to you is to go down to your local authorized tire dealer (i.e. Goodyear, Firestone, Bridgestone), and go ask them to mount stretched tires for you...


So does that mean as long as it sells, it's justified to sell them to consumers?


99% of the people in here don't run race cars.
To assume anything other than that is just plain ignorant.
Then why don't we shove this in the Race section?


You're ignorant on how this all works.
Falken does not build the car themselves.
They pay someone else to do it - it's usually a private shop.
Falken sticks all their logos all over the car.
Falken is not responsible for what is done with the car - the shop is usually given free reign to do whatever they want to...within reason.

BTW, tires regularly fail at competitions which cause drivers to lose.
Does that come as a surprise?
Almost any type of motorsports deal with tire failures.
Do the tire manufacturers cry because of it
To your surprised, they don't...


-Ted

Bigretardhead

no, I did not notice that he was from Hawaii.... but even so, where are the tires being stretched? all I see is wide body with normal fitting tires, which aren't even on the wheels yet as of the last posting. and this gives you experience with stretched tires... how?



yeah, you said "Just because you didn't see me admit I'm wrong doesn't mean I haven't done it.", and I never said you have NEVER EVER admited you are wrong. I simply stated I haven't seen it.



opinions are open and welcome. you are stating yours, I am stating mine..... exactly. I don't care that you don't like the style. if everyone liked it, it wouldn't be unique anymore. I just find it humorous that so many people comment about how 'stupid' it is or that they think its ugly, or whatever the hell else they say. thats fine, but I still think its funny.

[QUOTE]secondly, if they were advertising the stretching tires, there are no warnings about 'stretching tires can be dangerous and decrease their performance' or 'are for track use only'. sure, they have 'recommended wheel widths', but I think those are more just to assist people that don't know what they're doing. they are simply 'recommended', and not 'mandatory or your tire will blow up', or whatever it is you think will happen... or even a 'for racing use only' warning?[/QUOTE}

I ordered a set of 17x9's with 215/40R17 azenis on them (which is a pretty damn big stretch) from discount tire direct.... does that count as a authorized tire dealer? (no, its not local). but I have local shops mount tires for me all the time....






no matter who does it, falken is not going to sponsor a car that is built to the point where it won't win. that would be like them getting a driver that can't drive good enough to win. they may not build the car themselves, but they sure is hell aren't going to put their name on, and pay for a car that can't win.
you're right, almost all types of motorsports do deal with tire failures. and how many of these failures are DUE to the tires being stretched? if the tires are failing and causing the drivers to loose BECAUSE they are stretched, and manufacturers know that not running stretched tires will make the tires not fail.... or even decrease the chances of them failing, which would significantly increase the chances of them winning, do you think they would start running tires that aren't stretched? hell yes they would. I don't think they would hesitate to sacrifice a style that 99% of people don't notice if it will significantly increase their chances of winning.

going to sleep now, I look forward to continuing this conversation tomorrow.