Bigretardhead

WHY?!?!?! do you feel that he needs a 265 or 285 tire? MAYBE... just MAYBE, he's using the wheels for drifting, and doesn't have enough power to spin a bigger tire? or maybe he just uses it do drive around and likes the look of the 255 on there, and has no reason to get bigger tires? or maybe its setup as a track car, and the 255 gives the car a nice balance?(probably not since he's running falken ziex or whatever they are)....

why does everyone feel that you NEED to run such HUGE tires? when the HELL is he gonna need that big of a tire?


and FYI, 10 wide wheel is actually in the manufacturers recommended wheel width for most 255/35r18 tires, so they're not "DESIGNED FOR 8.5-9 inch wheels". they are designed just as well for 10 inch wide wheels.

WHY!?!?!?!???? I REALLY, REALLY don't get why all you people care so much why someone is not running a rediculously huge tire?

Rxmfn7

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If he doesnt need a 265-285 tire, then why does he need a 10" wide wheel? And since he does already have a 10" wide wheel (assuming offsets are correct), why not take full advantage of it? And my comment about the wheels designed for a 8.5-9" wheel was more slated towards the comment he made about wanting to drop down to a 245...

snub disphenoid

Exactly. I dont' see the point of getting a wide wheel when you don't put a properly sized tire on it, but i guess that's just an opinion.

I guess I can understand if you're doing it to improve your car from an aesthetic standpoint, but I think it's ridiculous to argue that rubber-banding tires onto really wide wheels gives some sort of performance benefit. Also understand that Hippari isn't really a style that everyone's going to like so don't be surprised when you ask people what they think about your setup and there turns out to be a few "h4t3rz" in the mix.

Bigretardhead

because it ******* looks better than a 255 stuffed onto an 8.5.

why re-paint your car when it has the original paint on it? it looks better. there is a whole asthetic point to any car, as well as the performance.

EXACTLY. its just an opinion.

I think its rediculous to argue that its NOT going to do anything, when you've never even tried it.

not asking anyone to like it. its just stupid that people try and argue about someone and make up bullshit like its unsafe or whatever. if you don't like it, then say you don't like it. don't say "the tire is going to fall off the wheel because you're running the WRONG(or 'improper') size tire." its not wrong or improper, its just different. and the tire is not going to fall off the wheel or whatever everyone thinks is gonna happen.

if you don't like it, fine. if you don't want to do it, don't. but to argue with them and try to change their mind about something thats a personal opnion, and doesn't effect anyone else, who cares?

and why is everyone calling it 'hippari' ? the word is 'hipparu' (with a U). it means to pull/stretch. so just call it what it means in english. oh wait... I forgot, ted called it Hippari, and everything he says is right, so I guess its called hippari, and thats what everyone is gonna call it now...

sleeepyhead

its weird how the original poster posted pics of his miata drifting with a wheel setup that actually can tuck under the fender to defend his fc with a rediculous offset. Max camber and still rubbing with a stretch is a problem, since its stretched, rolling wont help because the tire is still hanging out way past the fender anyway and under suspension compression the tire will hit, plus that much camber on the front will put the tire on its edge creating understeer, hardly driftable even if the tire cleared. This wild of an offset is as functional as chromed out brake rotors imo.
I doubt anyone here is reccommending stock offsets and sitting at home and never driving the car, we are just saying that you can drive a car a lot harder, drift or grip knowing that the tire will clear the fender with no issues, even if it clears by 1/2 a mm.

ptrhahn

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It's all asthetics/opinion until you get outside the rim size range, and it's all about moderation.

I personally wouldn't "stuff" a 255 on an 8.5" rim, but there's no way it needs more than an 9" or 9.5" tops. 10" is way more than you need, and it won't work as well anymore (OR look as good in my opinion). Rim manufacturers publish an accepted range for a tire. For a 255, it's usually 8.5-10. It typically won't work it's best at either 8.5 or 10... usually the size rim their measuring it on for the rest of the specs (they publish this too), is near optimal. My 255 front tire is on a 9" rim, and as far as i'm concerned, it's perfect in look and function. It's not "stuffed, the sidewalls aren't even vertical, but it doesn't look like I don't know what I'm doing.

THAT's how the original poster's wheels look. Like he doesn't know what he's doing. That look might be considered cool in the drifter world, but to the rest of the universe that includes far more knowledgeable folks, it looks stupid. THAT part is OPINION (albeit qualified opinion). This part ISN'T:

The tires mounted on the original poster's wheels are TOO SMALL. That's not opinion, it's FACT based on the manufacturer's specs. 235 on a 10" wheel, is just plain too small. So, it's worse than "not optimal" for performance (the way, say, a 255 on 10" would be), it's downright out of spec., period.

To me, that's no different than mounting the tires in the wrong direction on the wheel. Will the car spontaneously combust if you do? No. Is it correct? NO. The only thing you could say is that you might like the way it looks backwards, but I think on a functional part, that's pretty lame. That's NOT the same as "paint". Paint doesn't have a performance function.

So what are we left with here? Someone who did everything WRONG, including mounting an out of spec size... then, because they STILL didn't fit, cranked his camber all the way down to compensate. Yeah, that's BRILLIANT. That's what your car's engineers designed the adjustable camber for. To help you get your wheels to fit. ALL your left with is the astheticvs of it, which I think are dubious at best. "More" isn't always better. If a little stretching is good (and it is), a ****-load of stretching isn't better. For those wheels sizes, this guy should have MINIMUM 255 rear, and 235 front. Instead he's got 235 rear, and 215 fronts.

Christ, nobody's telling anyone they "have" to mount the largest possible tires and invert the sidewalls like a balloon. I had a 275 tire on a 9" rim once, and while that was IN spec, it looked like ***. On a 10" rim, they look great. They'd even be within spec on an 11" rim, and look cool too. But mount them on a 12" rim, and SORRY KIDS, you look like a ******* moron that doesn't know what you're doing, because APPARENTLY, you DON'T.

Jesus H., man, this isn't a hard concept to grasp.

RETed

You know what...you can drop the sarcastic bullshit.
I didn't start the damn hippari word.
Don't believe me?
Go argue with the idiots on http://www.drifting.com/
You're right; "hipparu" literally means "to stretch", but I don't think the JDm drifters use it that way.

Also, you're the pot calling the kettle black...
How can you tell others to STFU, when you saying it's okay for people to post their stupid ideas in the first place?
(BTW, "stupid ideas" is IMNSHO...)
As long as we're all with the TOC, we can say anything we want to.
It's an OPEN forum.
You gonna post something...be prepared for criticism.
Isn't that the mantra of all Internet public forums???


-Ted

RacerXtreme7

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I could not have written this better myself and agree 100% with 100% of what he says. Personal opinion, the mega stretched tires is fucktarded. Nothing like having the dissadvantages of BIG wide wheels (Dissadvantage of weight, rotating inertia and unsprung weight) without having any of the advantages (TRACTION). Seems like a lose lose situation for aesthetic value (which is objective and personal taste). The original posters car is NICE, proper offsets and wider tires would make it really nice IMHO.

~Mike...............

snub disphenoid

My problem is that I don't understand why this fad came about. You're saying that either you're too poor to buy the right tire size, or you're trying to impersonate a Mexican low-rider, or you're trying to impersonate European cars. All of those don't make sense to me...

BASTARD

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the mexican's were pokin and stretching back in the mid 80's with there escorts, white walls tires, 80 spoke daytons and chrome mud flaps... it's nothing new, but they never went around sayin it was a performance gain. they all knew it was for looks...

mexicans > drifters

Bigretardhead

thats a really good point, but what it still comes down to is, if the guy doesn't need 235's in front, or 255's in back, then why are you trying to tell him he does? I know, you're going to say 'then why did he get that wide of a wheel?', well, could be several reason, but one being that HE thinks it looks better. why isn't that enough? you've already said the tire isn't going to spontaniously combust or be dangerous, so why do you care if he does something differently for looks? (or if he does happen to have another reason for it?). The guy bviously knows what he's doing, its not like he has no idea of the different effects of stretching tires that much and changing the alignment that much. you don't spend that much money on wheels with those sizes if you have no idea what you're doing.

I don't ever look at drifting.com.... but if I did, I certainly wouldn't take any info from that page and use it anywhere else. I dunno, I've been searching around, and the only thing I can find on hippari (besides on this forum and drifting.com), is that it is a wrap-around top worn for everyday activities such as field work. like so:


and I'm saying opinions are fine, but people making up wrong information to try and convince someone to change a simple opinion is stupid. but whatever, you're right. this is a public forum, and people can post anything they want. I dunno why I'm arguing.

wtf? noone here is going around trying to convince everyone its a performance gain(although I'm sure some people do.... but not in this thread). their just trying to say that its not 'dangerous' like everyone else is saying, and may have an advantage of a stiffer sidewall. but noone is trying to convince anyone else to stretch their tires like all the anti-stretch guys are trying to convince everyone to NOT stretch them. the only thing we're trying to say is that its okay to do it. not that everyone else should, or that you'll drop 2 seconds off you're lap times, or whatever.

yeah, this is a lot of it as well. when you get your tires for free out of a used tire pile, there's a lot more tires you can fit onto a 10 inch wheel(if you don't mind stretching them) than you can squeeze onto a 8 inch wheel. and if you do try and fit too big of used tires onto an 8 inch wheel, they're going to be a lot sloppier than trying to fit too small of a tire onto a 10 inch wheel.

Dorifto_PG

I just want everyone to

A. learn how to drift at a high level.

If you can, then

B. Go out drifting at said high level with 255s on an 8 and report back to me. Then honestly tell me you'd prefer that over 255s on a 10.5. Guaranteed NO.



If I decide to one day big up drag racing, you can bet your bottom dollar I would not run the same setup as my drift car. Front rim size to tyre size to suspension damping, to power. Nothing.

I think some of you need to seriously just think about context of what its being used for. If the tyres won't get ripped off while travelling sideways at 100mph I don't think they'll get ripped off while driving around like a normal human being, either. If anyone needs 1st hand proof, come up to Willow Springs tomorrow for Top Drift Rd. 4. I'll be more than happy to explain the benefits, complete with comparison laps, in real-life, not internet keyboard fighting.



Likewise, if I decide to start racing LMP Le Mans cars, I won't run a 215/40/18 on the front 18x13.5 rims. Know what I mean? For all the negatives for a stretched tyre the benefit is better (what? you gusy think it looks stupid... ok). Of course there is a limit. I have found that anything from 215-235 works real well for the front on a 17x9 or 9.5 and for the rear 245-265 on a 18x10.5 or 235-255 on a 18x9.5.

Again, my experience, my personal taste, my car setup, know what i mean?






Also, the greatest RX7 to ever grace the face of this earth for drifting purposes ran 215/40/17 on 17x10 -7 and 235/40/18 on 18x11 -1. If it works for Haruguchi, it certianly would work for us mere mortals. He was uncanny. Of course, this is a wicked extreme case, and i don't think i'd ever do that, its just an example of what has been done (verrrryyy succesful driver, inspiration to many). Diff'rent strokes, right?

RETed

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Then why are you telling us what to do?
I bet we can drift with 255's on 8.0" (do you actually mean 9.0"?) wheels...

You just contradicted yourself.
I made this point earlier.
Drifting is about personal set-up and what works for you.
You can't make a blanket statement about what works and what doesn't for OTHER PEOPLE.


-Ted

red_s5_fc3s

I don't want to get in all this, but good job on the rims. They look nice, and I bet it feels good to finally put on a set of Work rims. I plan on doing the same, but putting on wide fenders on the front and rear.

Either way, good job man!