T04E Non Ball Bearing
02-04-08, 05:24 PM
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T04E Non Ball Bearing
Hey my current single turbo setup is causing too many probs it seems its days are numbered. I'm getting a T04E Non Ball Bearing turbo at a pretty good rate. You guys think i should go for it? and what external wastegate should i go for with it? thanks a mil!
02-05-08, 08:21 AM
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02-07-08, 12:13 PM
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thanks a lot for replying guys...the thing is its a non ball bearing turbo...how much of a factor is that gonna be? is it a big deal if its a non ball bearing? im in the dark when it comes to turbos as u can obviously see...ima go check out that turbo's specs in abt a week cuz the turbos in another city...neway the thing is the local tuner here made me a bit hesitant he was on about how non ball bearing turbos suck *** and they take too long to spool...hit me back!
02-07-08, 05:32 PM
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thanks a lot for replying guys...the thing is its a non ball bearing turbo...how much of a factor is that gonna be? is it a big deal if its a non ball bearing? im in the dark when it comes to turbos as u can obviously see...ima go check out that turbo's specs in abt a week cuz the turbos in another city...neway the thing is the local tuner here made me a bit hesitant he was on about how non ball bearing turbos suck *** and they take too long to spool...hit me back!
what turbo are you camparing it to? compared to a stock FC turbo its about the same spoole wise, but compared to the stock FC turbines it is a little laggy, not much mide you just a little. Great thing about a To4 designed turbine is that its cheap to rebuild, so if the bearings, or seals go, you can useually rebuild it for $100 USD for parts, labor depends upon area, but I rebuilt mine myself and its still going strong 20K km's later.
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02-07-08, 07:40 PM
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the to4e is a good turbo...
the 60 trim makes 47 lbs/minute of air at one bar and 50 pounds at 20 psi which is it's max.
47 pounds translates into 355-360 rear wheel rotary hp.
50 pounds produces about into 377-384
these are generalized maximums.
your tuner is wrong re ball bearing turbos. they may spool slightly faster but the difference is much less than many people perceive. they are more expensive to buy and certainly to repair.
good luck,
howard coleman
the 60 trim makes 47 lbs/minute of air at one bar and 50 pounds at 20 psi which is it's max.
47 pounds translates into 355-360 rear wheel rotary hp.
50 pounds produces about into 377-384
these are generalized maximums.
your tuner is wrong re ball bearing turbos. they may spool slightly faster but the difference is much less than many people perceive. they are more expensive to buy and certainly to repair.
good luck,
howard coleman
02-08-08, 02:13 PM
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thanks a lot guys you've cleared up a big issue for me...theres a guy here who's selling a t04e with manifold for abt 350 US dollars here...its very slightly used...think ima get it off em...
nobody knws **** abt rotarys in my country :P so i have to work on my fd myself...only source of info for me is the net n this forum...neway thanks again...
nobody knws **** abt rotarys in my country :P so i have to work on my fd myself...only source of info for me is the net n this forum...neway thanks again...
02-09-08, 03:03 AM
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thanks a lot guys you've cleared up a big issue for me...theres a guy here who's selling a t04e with manifold for abt 350 US dollars here...its very slightly used...think ima get it off em...
nobody knws **** abt rotarys in my country :P so i have to work on my fd myself...only source of info for me is the net n this forum...neway thanks again...
nobody knws **** abt rotarys in my country :P so i have to work on my fd myself...only source of info for me is the net n this forum...neway thanks again...
just make sure you find out which version of the To4E it is begfore you buy it. if it is one of the smaller ones, then it will run out of breath. remember, you are looking for a 57, ot 60 trim.
the markings on the compressor cover will be either .60 or .70 this has nothing to do with the TRIM of the compressor wheel, ask for measurements in millimeters of the major and the minor of the compressor wheel.... (largest part os the wheel and the smallest.)
Ken
03-07-08, 05:12 AM
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aiite guys i made this topic a while ago and u guys were very helpful...i have another question...right before i was abt to buy the T04E turbo some other fd experts told me that the T04E on stock ecu = bye bye engine...is that true? what should i do man im seriously confused guys really need ur help! ive told the buyer to gimme a couple o days to decide...ill make my decision based on what u guys say...
03-07-08, 06:51 AM
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the stock ECU is programmed to make 255 flywheel/216 rear wheel hp. it will not be able to cope w the amount of air the larger turbo makes and consequently the engine will not have enough fuel, will run lean, and will destruct.
if you read this forum thoroughly you will realize that an uprated turbo is the easiest part of properly modding the FD.
you will need a different fuel pump, ECU, lots of monitoring systems, to learn to tune or find a tuner. the list goes on and on and it is all here for you to read.
all easy stuff if you do it right.
hc
if you read this forum thoroughly you will realize that an uprated turbo is the easiest part of properly modding the FD.
you will need a different fuel pump, ECU, lots of monitoring systems, to learn to tune or find a tuner. the list goes on and on and it is all here for you to read.
all easy stuff if you do it right.
hc
03-07-08, 02:26 PM
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the stock ECU is programmed to make 255 flywheel/216 rear wheel hp. it will not be able to cope w the amount of air the larger turbo makes and consequently the engine will not have enough fuel, will run lean, and will destruct.
if you read this forum thoroughly you will realize that an uprated turbo is the easiest part of properly modding the FD.
you will need a different fuel pump, ECU, lots of monitoring systems, to learn to tune or find a tuner. the list goes on and on and it is all here for you to read.
all easy stuff if you do it right.
hc
if you read this forum thoroughly you will realize that an uprated turbo is the easiest part of properly modding the FD.
you will need a different fuel pump, ECU, lots of monitoring systems, to learn to tune or find a tuner. the list goes on and on and it is all here for you to read.
all easy stuff if you do it right.
hc
03-07-08, 03:03 PM
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Just go with the stock twins. Properly setup they are more than adequate. And the car will be alot of fun. A lot of times we all get tied up in the horsepower game and forget that it is all about enjoying the car, the longer it is down, the less we enjoy it. Also, on the road, where most of our cars spend 99% of their time we can never fully utilize the high hp setups. So we are just wasting it. If I could do it again I would probably be running the B&R twins setup, with a 3.5" exhaust, no intercooler running water methanol injection and my relocated radiator setup. I think that would satisfy me perfectly.
If noone around you knows how to tune (and you aren't comfortable buying all the instruments and learning how to do it yourself)... Go with the stock twins, a downpipe, high flow cat, and an exhaust, with your upgraded fuel pump on the Power FC running the base mod map. Add water injection into the setup for safety. This is of course in addition to upgrading your cooling system and refreshing your suspension. These cars have a racecar suspension and as such, parts wear out quickly and need to be replaced. Make sure you do that, as worn bushings can be dangerous.
You have a lot to learn before just jumping into the single turbo game, the turbo itself is just the very tiny tip of the iceburg. And if you are already complaining of money (and this is not a derrogatory statement) and all you have is the T04e, fuel pump, and FPR ... then this isn't a game you should be playing. It will just make you frustrated. I look at the total cost of the WHOLE turbo setup (which is turbo, manifold, exhuast, ecu, fuel system, wiring harness and wideband) as just a drop in the bucket compared to the whole turbo setup + what is needed to get THE WHOLE CAR up, running properly, problem free, and smooth.
I run a journal bearing T04e 57trim. It is a very nice turbo. Good street turbo and I hope good on the road course as well. If you have questions you can PM me or post here. Good luck on your decision and subsequent 'relationship' with the FD.
It is usually a rocky ride, but worth it in the end (or so we hope)....like all good relationships
If noone around you knows how to tune (and you aren't comfortable buying all the instruments and learning how to do it yourself)... Go with the stock twins, a downpipe, high flow cat, and an exhaust, with your upgraded fuel pump on the Power FC running the base mod map. Add water injection into the setup for safety. This is of course in addition to upgrading your cooling system and refreshing your suspension. These cars have a racecar suspension and as such, parts wear out quickly and need to be replaced. Make sure you do that, as worn bushings can be dangerous.
You have a lot to learn before just jumping into the single turbo game, the turbo itself is just the very tiny tip of the iceburg. And if you are already complaining of money (and this is not a derrogatory statement) and all you have is the T04e, fuel pump, and FPR ... then this isn't a game you should be playing. It will just make you frustrated. I look at the total cost of the WHOLE turbo setup (which is turbo, manifold, exhuast, ecu, fuel system, wiring harness and wideband) as just a drop in the bucket compared to the whole turbo setup + what is needed to get THE WHOLE CAR up, running properly, problem free, and smooth.
I run a journal bearing T04e 57trim. It is a very nice turbo. Good street turbo and I hope good on the road course as well. If you have questions you can PM me or post here. Good luck on your decision and subsequent 'relationship' with the FD.
It is usually a rocky ride, but worth it in the end (or so we hope)....like all good relationships
03-08-08, 02:46 PM
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Just go with the stock twins. Properly setup they are more than adequate. And the car will be alot of fun. A lot of times we all get tied up in the horsepower game and forget that it is all about enjoying the car, the longer it is down, the less we enjoy it. Also, on the road, where most of our cars spend 99% of their time we can never fully utilize the high hp setups. So we are just wasting it. If I could do it again I would probably be running the B&R twins setup, with a 3.5" exhaust, no intercooler running water methanol injection and my relocated radiator setup. I think that would satisfy me perfectly.
If noone around you knows how to tune (and you aren't comfortable buying all the instruments and learning how to do it yourself)... Go with the stock twins, a downpipe, high flow cat, and an exhaust, with your upgraded fuel pump on the Power FC running the base mod map. Add water injection into the setup for safety. This is of course in addition to upgrading your cooling system and refreshing your suspension. These cars have a racecar suspension and as such, parts wear out quickly and need to be replaced. Make sure you do that, as worn bushings can be dangerous.
You have a lot to learn before just jumping into the single turbo game, the turbo itself is just the very tiny tip of the iceburg. And if you are already complaining of money (and this is not a derrogatory statement) and all you have is the T04e, fuel pump, and FPR ... then this isn't a game you should be playing. It will just make you frustrated. I look at the total cost of the WHOLE turbo setup (which is turbo, manifold, exhuast, ecu, fuel system, wiring harness and wideband) as just a drop in the bucket compared to the whole turbo setup + what is needed to get THE WHOLE CAR up, running properly, problem free, and smooth.
I run a journal bearing T04e 57trim. It is a very nice turbo. Good street turbo and I hope good on the road course as well. If you have questions you can PM me or post here. Good luck on your decision and subsequent 'relationship' with the FD.
It is usually a rocky ride, but worth it in the end (or so we hope)....like all good relationships
If noone around you knows how to tune (and you aren't comfortable buying all the instruments and learning how to do it yourself)... Go with the stock twins, a downpipe, high flow cat, and an exhaust, with your upgraded fuel pump on the Power FC running the base mod map. Add water injection into the setup for safety. This is of course in addition to upgrading your cooling system and refreshing your suspension. These cars have a racecar suspension and as such, parts wear out quickly and need to be replaced. Make sure you do that, as worn bushings can be dangerous.
You have a lot to learn before just jumping into the single turbo game, the turbo itself is just the very tiny tip of the iceburg. And if you are already complaining of money (and this is not a derrogatory statement) and all you have is the T04e, fuel pump, and FPR ... then this isn't a game you should be playing. It will just make you frustrated. I look at the total cost of the WHOLE turbo setup (which is turbo, manifold, exhuast, ecu, fuel system, wiring harness and wideband) as just a drop in the bucket compared to the whole turbo setup + what is needed to get THE WHOLE CAR up, running properly, problem free, and smooth.
I run a journal bearing T04e 57trim. It is a very nice turbo. Good street turbo and I hope good on the road course as well. If you have questions you can PM me or post here. Good luck on your decision and subsequent 'relationship' with the FD.
It is usually a rocky ride, but worth it in the end (or so we hope)....like all good relationships
wow...first of all id like to say thanks for replying and replying so articulately...im not sure if u knw but my car was already single turboed when i bought it...it has an FC turbo in it...its pretty slow right now the turbos only at 5 psi...i raced an sti today rolling and i lost by 4 cars...sigh...neway u guys are right man ill be switching back to the twins...ill be outta the city for a couple o weeks gonna get the twins on then...neway guys ill give u guys an update on that...getting 99spec twins used pretty cheap for abt 260dollars :P
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