TT_Rex_7

Did you just neglect to read my last post?!

If you like these manifolds, and choose to have one on your car, then more power to you. I think it's time this thread is closed.

-Alex

rx7what

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all right man I have been watching this thread all day and I didnt want to admit that I think my manifold is one of the new ones. ( I know some one who makes affordable single turbo kits) and im pretty sure its a ss manifold and the flange that bolts to the engine is very thick I would say more than a 1/2 inch. but any way it has held up just fine, I have had no problems with it. The only things i would change is it puts the wastegate very close to the engine mount and the turbo very close to the side of my engine bay. other than that it has worked perfectly. and if it breaks at least i have every thing else, so i will just have to buy a new manifold.

heres the link for affordable single turbo kits.
http://www.singleturbo7.com/

you can tell me if that is a ss manifold

TT_Rex_7

Sure is. Although it states in the description that the flanges were cut off, and thicker ones welded on. It also states it has diffrent braces.

-Alex

GUITARJUNKIE28

i think you neglected to read all my posts. i wanted to dispell speculation and get real eveidence, not people's opinions who have no experience with them.

and speaking of not reading posts, i already suggested this thread be closed, remember?

i've got nothing against you, but since you don't have any experience with these manifolds, you can start your own thread bashing them. the one thing i wanted (facts) was the one thing i didn't get.

TT_Rex_7

Thats why I gave you a link. If you read the thread, you would have heard several comments from diffrent owners, and how their manifolds held up. Some said they cracked/didn't fit, while others stated everything is perfect. If you noticed, I also said these manifolds are a hit and miss.

Yes I do, and I agree. Just because I stated it should be closed, doesn't mean I never read your post.

I have nothing against you either, and your right, I don't have experience with these manifolds, along with 99% of other people on this board. It's really hard to find your answers, when only a few people have these manifolds. As far as facts go, again, i've given you a link to owners of these manifolds, along with another member. If you read my last post, you would have seen the "facts" that I listed about the new manifolds. (last paragraph) Take it for what it's worth. If your happy with your manifold, that's all that matters.

-Alex

SnowmanSteiner

Okay I'm not a ******* magician. I can't just magically pull up every single rotary owner that has ever owned a manifold made by ssautochrome. I don't know who has them, but your thread has only attracted two people. If you want to know for yourself you have two ******* options: A. buy the god damn manifold and try it out yourself, B. contact ssautochrome and try to get in touch with the people who have bought manifolds for an FD or FC. Quit bitching to us that we can't magically pull up every owner of their manifold, and go do something about it. If you spent as much time talking with ssautochrome as you have in this thread you probably would have had your answers already. Jesus, get on someones *** because we don't know anyone with the manifold.

- Steiner

GUITARJUNKIE28

have you not been paying attention this whole time? did you not even read the first post?
just stay off this thread.

i know how mine held up, i know how 3 or 4 other people's held up. i've just never met anyone who's had a problem with one.

and i know i've said it a billion times, but let's make it a billion and one---i am NOT TALKING ABOUT HONDAS HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!

13b
turbo
fd

get it?

SnowmanSteiner

And like I said, there are very few people that have them that are actually running them currently, so you aren't going to get a lot of responses.

- Steiner

GUITARJUNKIE28

so where did the bad rep for the 13b manifold come from then?

someone's gotta have some info.

it's funny though--i never meant this thread to be in their defense at all, but the only people who have said anything bad have been the people who haven't used them....the few guys that have used them (including myself) haven't had any problems.

my only real opinion on them is they're cheap and mine didn't blow up--even with my shitty welding skills with a mig (remember, i had to tilt the flange to fit it in my fc).

savana

does no one think its strange the front of that honda appears to have been smashed up then the front cut off it, isnt it possible the turbo broke off after a frontal impact

GUITARJUNKIE28

entirely possible.

but let's talk about the 13b fd manifold.

dubulup

I've used one (FD)...re-flanged it (turbo - T4, engine - racing beat and wastegate - HKS), ceramic coated it, and blasted it with the heat of a main cat and 16psi of boost for over 7k miles.

GUITARJUNKIE28

of the people that have posted on this thread, we've got zero failures, right?

so does all the ****-talkin come from the price? anyone willing to put your manifold head to head against one so we can get some real data?

TT_Rex_7

So you don't wan't to compare the FD manifolds with Hondas, but it's ok to compare a re flanged, cermaic coated FD manifold?! If you don't wan't to see the Honda stuff, then I think it's only fair to hear from the FD people that havn't modified their SSAutochrome manifolds.

Again, the "****-talkin" comes from the qaulity and material they use, and how thin it is. Not only that, their w/g's and turbos fail left and right, so what would make their manifolds any diffrent?! Alot of us also beleive in "you get what you pay for," and there seems to be more failures with these manifolds, than any others.

Look, nobody wants to spend ~$1,000.00 on a manifold. If we could buy a $200.00 manifold, with the same qaulity and materials, you bet your *** everyone would be jumping all over it. The simply fact is, they arn't made with the same qaulity or material.

Let me ask you a question now! Do you ever autocross, drag race, or participate in any other event with your FD at a track?!

-Alex

GUITARJUNKIE28

i believe you get what you pay for...but a lot of the time, you pay for a name. and you're still claiming they fail...show me one!!!! i wanna see it! i think there "seems" to be failures because guys say they fail... AGAIN, i'm not defending them at all. i just want facts and prove--not speculation.

you talk about the thin material from one of the fc manifolds, but we're not talking about those...have you measured the thickness of the piping on the manifold i'm talking about?

my fd is n/a to this situation..i just bought it. earlier, i said a couple of times i had one on my fc. never had it on the track, but i drove that way anyway... i ran it up hwy 18 (5500 ft incline through twisties over 22 miles) almost every day. and anyone who knows me will vouch for how i drive....so yea, basically i road raced the car on a daily basis.

don't take any insult to this because you're a smart guy and your'e right about a lot of things, but since you don't have any experience with them, maybe you could do a little more listening and a little less talking. i don't doubt your intelligence by any means, but simple fact is you're speculating on things, NOT proving them.

gen3RxProj

guitarjunkie drove his fc in every fashion to the fullest extent possible on daily basis- ya' i'd say that sums it up nicely...c...r...a....zz......y.....

In regards to that manifold, it held up without any problems- now the fd ones are thicker..

Just pop it in, and you know your going to use quality components for the rest of the kit anyways. I highly doubt it breaks.

Like dave said, wheres proof?

TT_Rex_7

Your totally right, the price is even higher due to the name. Unfortunately, that's the way it is. As far as failures, i'm not speaking of the rx7 manifolds. I'm gathering the information on failures from their Honda, and other manifolds. These failures have been documented from owners of these manifolds. I'm not to sure why someone would claim their manifold cracked if it really didn't happen?! Since they all havn't been able to provide pictures, all I can do is take their word for it. However, Zero-R, along with other memebers/shop owners, have seen these manifolds, and can vouch for their qaulity.

The thin material that i'm speaking of is their 3/8" flanges. However, the older manifolds had thin tubing also. They now provide a much thicker tubing, but we don't know how well it'll hold up, because we don't the grade of the material. If it's 304 stainless, then it'll hold up just fine. I doubt that it's 304 due to the low cost though. I just can't see how you could make it from 304 for that price. If it's in fact a lower grade stainless, then it'll be more prone to cracking, even though it's thicker. Since there's no proof on wether or not they will really hold up over time, I can't say that it will crack.

I'm sure you drive like a bat out of hell ( ) but ALOT of stress is put on the car when autocrossing and drag racing. This also includes the manifold since it will move with the motor.

No offence taken, and I understand where your coming from. However, I really don't need one of their manifolds to know how well it's going to hold up. The specs of the material speak for themselves. If we come to find out they are made from a high grade stainless, then by all means, they'll hold up, and disregard anything i've said/about to say. Until there's proof on what material they are made from, and they start to use 1/2" flanges, i'm going to stand by what i've been saying. They may not fail in a week, month, or even 6 months, but they will fail sooner than a name brand manifold. You may think "oh well" because it'd still be cheaper to buy a second manifold, than a name brand manifold, but you have to think about the damage it may/will cause when it does fail. If the braces drop the turbo, you can expect to replace the turbo. If the turbo drops on any wires, it'll melt them, so that's another thing your going to have to replace/fix. Then if it damages any oil/water lines going to the turbo, you'll have to replace those as well. Once you add all those things up, it'll be way over the cost of just buying a proven name brand manifold. Everything i've just stated isn't "speculation."

-Alex

jdhuegel1

I bought a SS manifold a long time ago.. Back before the huge disputes.. I actually thought they were very good judging by the guy running the show (at the time) and how nice and knowledgeable he was.. I was very scared at first because I bid on a no reserve one and actually got it for like 70 bucks? I didn't want to use it (for fear of quality) but I very good race car mechanic gave me the go-ahead..

Anyway.. I've put tons of miles on the manifold, and run it on a few different FD's with a couple different turbos.

Not one damn problem.

No cracks, breaks and no turbo falling off… Nothing but a manifold, same as when I got it (minus the color LOL)

Maybe I got lucky? Who knows.

I WILL SAY THOUGH: DO NOT USE ANY OF THEIR REPLICA TURBOS OR WASTEGATES. I have watched the gates creep to the heavens and the turbos fall apart (not on my car, I don't use them).. Just a warning. I'm not sure if the manifold wuality has got better or worse, but mine is great. STAY away from the other stuff..

AImec Racing

AGREE!

though you could modify the turbos as i did and still paying less...and about WGs...
mine still working fine... i know the problems begin when the spring is changed. it seems that the 18 psi and up springs are to much for their housings... i'm using the weakest spring (12-14 psi that comes w/it) while pressurizing the housing chamber,,, connecting the inlet and outlet of the WG to the boost control loop... so the spring will not force the housing all times...

GUITARJUNKIE28

here we go-- we've turned an argument into a respectful debate.

let me bring one point up-- you guys are saying that even a 1/2" flange will warp when welded... i'll take your word for it because i'm not a machinist, but ok, run a belt sander across it and flatten it out--good to go. i mean mine had like a 1/4" flange on it and IT never warped after i leveled it (it came warped though).
not everyone is willing to deck the flanges and grind on the snail holes to get it to line up, but once you get past that, they seem like they hold up just fine.

i agree the turbos and wastegates are crap--i've seen that stuff....but there are still some guys who are running them without any trouble.

let's put the reliability aside for now and talk about performance.
do they spool the turbo any slower? do they rob you of any hp?

the turbo kit i get for the fd has a manifold with it, but i might get another ssautochrome just for the hell of it and build the kit myself--like i did last time.

if there's no performance difference, i'd buy 2 and stick one on the shelf as a spare--just in case. ANY ss manifold will crack under the right conditions, so it seems like you'd have to put this one through the same set of conditions as a $1000 manifold to get it to fail. i'd pay $1000-2000 for a manifold if i knew it did something that other manifolds didn't do, so it's not about JUST finding the lowest price possible. for me it's more like why spend more money for the same thing. (zeror, i know it's not the SAME thing, so leave that one alone)

Turbo23

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ya i know im bumping this ****, as for the ssautochrome. For my FC, and basically I really dont want to spend the 700 for a manfiold. Ive read the whole thing, and well it seems people are having decent luck with the manfiold. I would be using a turbonetics turbo, and turbosmart wastegate. I am thinking since people say it may crack and so on, ceramic coating, or cryotreating. which would be worth it to help sustain its life alittle longer?

RETed

Oh no, here we go again...
You should've let it die.


-Ted

sleeperfc

been running one for a while now.

dont throw he money away getting it treated.... get it coated ia ya want. Slap it on and go. If you end up for some strange reason being the first to crack one on a rx7 then buy another one... for another $80 shipped.

hell crack one per year (yea right). less than $100 shipped... would take 7 years to match the $700 manifold. But wait.... they dont crack like that. With the oney savings I was able to actually afford to do this whole upgrade.
If i had lots of money i wouldnt own a fc, or be modding one.

Turbo23

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Yes TED its back! (((theme from twilight zone)))

Mostly I want it coated to try and cut down on under hood temps

Indian

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what about wrapping it?