nyt

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this was done by mike at m&g turbo. its a hybrid garret unit that should be good for some SERIOUS horsepower.. modified housing for bigger compressor wheel.

this is going on my bridgeport fd.

if any of you are interested, hit up m&g turbo at 631-752-1255. 1900 for this, all brass kit, top of the line everything.. ill be postin dyno sheets as soon as i get this on the road in the next few days.. m&g also do custom turbo builds, you tell him what you want, he'll build it at a good price.. hit him up..

$150FC

so. what are the specs on the turbo? a/r's, trim, etc.

jdhuegel1

Looks like a TO4R?

67mm compressor?

1.00 hotside?

1900.00????? WOW.

nyt

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1.15 hotside
.72 front
compressor specs will not be posted, that housign is machined to fit a "large" compressor in it =]. ill just say im running garret wheels/turbine. 1900 may sound like a lot, but the parts alone for that are over 1300. there might be some room to work on the price with them depending on turbo/etc but i dont know the details, doesnt hurt to call and ask.

RacerXtreme7

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$1900.00 ?!?!?!? US??

You could of got a Ballistic series GT BB turbo. A T04R can be had for less then $950 NEW.

That ebay / fc3s.org T04B turbo can be had for NEW $300, couple that with a $80 compressor wheel and $100 machine-ing the housing and its still under $500.

~Mike...........

nyt

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gt bb turbos going much more than that.i didnt sya i paid 1900 i said thats what hes selling them for.

to4r is piece of ****, im trying to upgrade from a t04s, not downgrade...

RETed

Where the hell are those prices from??
Last time I checked, that FC3S.ORG T04B "60" turbo was at least $4xx!
I thought HKS had exclusive rights to that "T04R" model name?
Funny, it's from the guy who said a P-trim turbine spools faster than a Q-trim turbine.



-Ted

rx7tt95

I just bought a full-on GT40R ballistic full ball bearing Garrett for $300 less than your turbo.

RacerXtreme7

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Those fc3s.org turbos are the EXACT same (industrial / agricultural machinery) T04B turbos on ebay. Look for your self, they can be had ALL DAY LONG for $300-350

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=11769

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2454718605
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2454937176

and on the forum, people trying to make money off it.

https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...highlight=t04b

https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...highlight=t04b


Very informative, the facts of this cheap turbo………….

https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...ht=sbullard878


and you can buy 2 of them for $550

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...em=2456042752.

[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2454248060


The T04B fc3s turbo can be had for $275 NEW if you know the right people (or just buy 2 for $275 each from ebay)

The T04R is NOT a HKS exclusive. You can get it from ANY Garrett distributor. CHEAPTURBOS.COM sells them for $950.00

http://store.yahoo.com/cheapturbo/garrettto4r.html

And if you believe the Q-trim will spool faster then a P-trim you are REALLY misinformed or, rather then amazing forum members with your brilliance you like to baffle them with bullchit. Funny you didn't reply with your remark back in the proper thread about this TED. You want to make snide remarks? I recall in your fc3spro web site (don’t get me wrong here, it’s a great resource and I commend you on doing it for the community) but at one time you listed that a turbine clip WILL spool faster due to weight loss… 100% completely WRONG. I corrected you on this in a thread once not directing it to you. Funny now the correct info is there now on the site. You also used to state a 60-1 will NOT make 400 wrhp on a 13b nor would a T04E 60-trim, MANY people are making 400+. You do contribute some good things to the Rx-7 community, but you need to be schooled in the world of turbo’s. We all know you have a hard time admitting you either made a mistake or your wrong. https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...98#post2573298

https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...hreadid=253903

~Mike...............

nyt

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p trim is more restrictive, spools faster.

turbonetics is garbage.

rx7tt95: the turbos are selling for 1700-1900 i dont remember exact price, hence why i listed the number. i cant tell you what i paid, because youd cry =]

RETed

Wow, I guess it's guaranteed to stay that price on eBay...
Why don't you step back and see what you're saying...



I stopped replying because there was no sense persuing it - you're adamant about your position, and nothing I was going to say was going to change anything.  Why waste my time, right?

But since you brought it up...

If we extrapolate your logic, then why not run an O-trim?  Why stop at the P-trim, which is in the middle of the the O-trim and Q-trim?


Yes, I had that posted on my site at one time, and someone (you?) sent an email for correction.  I had thought I read what I had mistakenly posted sometime prior and was looking for th reference, but I could not find it, and therefore I had deleted that particular part of the turbine clipping section.


That whole thread got out of hand, and my replies weren't properly worded.  The original gist was to point out BDC's graph...  I had to abruptly drop my participation in the thread, as I was busy helping tune another FC with a Haltech at that point in time.  Should I just dig that thread out of the grave?

I should've added...how many of those guys running pump gas to produce 400 at the wheels?


Funny, I stopped posting in the thread as the same reason for my top reply.  There was no reason I kept my replies going in that thread, as I wouldn't be adding anything useful.

There is a difference on where the placement of the restrictor is, but there is no reason to get into the complex math as it won't make a significant difference in the long run in this particular application as the oil supply line length is a mere 2 feet at the most.

Some of those people (Maxthe7man) have a glorified notion of R.E.A., and there is nothing I would say that would change their perceptions.  I find R.E.A. selling bullshit magnetic crap to the general public enough proof to degrade my perception of his shop, period.

Last time I checked, "distributor" was not someone who did business with the general public.  If this "distributor" is a retail shop, I would like to know who they are myself.



-Ted

RacerXtreme7

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Ted,

Agreed, no sence in flinging poo..lol... but, back on the subject of turbos though not appropriet for this thead.

If a Q trim spooled quicker AND had less back pressure (YES, less back pressure. look at the exducer size compared to the p-trim, its LARGER) then why wouldn’t everyone use it?? better spool and top end? I think not, the reason is a p-trim spools faster and has adequate flow for top end on a 13b. And the comment about o trim, YES it would spool insanely fast, but at the expense of FLOW, your engine would CHOKE. As knowledgeable as you are, I don't understand why you don't get this, and this isn't strictly my opinion, but proven time and time again facts, p trim spools faster, hell any turbine in a family, the smaller the trim the smaller the exducer, the faster the spool, period.

You were correct about the larger the turbine inducer spooling faster as I pointed out in the other thread, but the Q trim has a LARGE exducer also, so its larger "paddles" are negated by the large exducer, there for the p being a quicker, less flowing turbine as I pointed out too many times now.

~Mike.............

RacerXtreme7

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{QUOTE}: I should've added...how many of those guys running pump gas to produce 400 at the wheels?{QUOTE}

Your kidding me right? The majority of them, theres a thread nearly every week with someone making 400+ wrhp on a 13b with a T04S (aka 60-1, T60, T60-1, T04B 60-1). I believe Maxthe7man (not sure if it was him or not) made 400+ on a T04E on pump gas.

~Mike............

RETed

It's more of a theoretical exercise...

Okay, so the P-trim seems to be the ideal match for the 13B...

What's stopping us from using the Q-trim but jacking the turbine A/R down?

Oh, I had to go poke around on the Cusco point...
http://www.cusco.co.jp/english/e_cont.html

They do list Bozz Performance (link broken) and Nukabe as "distributors" in the U.S. for Cusco product.  So I stand corrected on this issue.  I haven't kept up on the import performance scene over the past few years, so my data is badly out-of-date; GReddy dealers used to be the only place to purchase authorized Cusco products.

Nukabe Atomotive
http://www.napsusa.com/
410 Richmond Ave.
Mattoon, IL 61938
(217) 235-6060
(217) 235-6088 FAX



-Ted

Maxthe7man

Lots of people make 400 on pump gas, I cracked 365 on my first run at 12 psi(91) octane, BDC made more than 400 rwhp, on pump gas and posted the dyno sheet, still not good enough for you... Wheres your dyno sheet to prove us wrong....
Here's Reamemiyas personal racing trophies, seems pretty accredited to me, have you ever been there TEd, bought anything there, talked to them? What does Fuel magnets have to do with their suggestions on turbos' if we counted how many times you have been wrong and held it against you, you would have been laughed out of here alot earlier....max

rotarygod

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Max is truly the man! I agree. 400 rwhp on pump gas is no special feat. BTW: BDC did 424.6 rwhp on his streetport.

BDC

No wonder why my ears are burning ....

B

BDC

As far as nyt's turbocharger, I find it to be a good fit for his engine. I had the priveledge of doing the streetporting and half-bridgeporting on his FD's irons. I hope to see some great numbers from it!!!

B

IGY

So you are saying a to4r is a step down from a to4s? If this is what you mean you are sadly mistaken. I'm not saying the turbo you have is bad, or not better than a to4r, just that the to4r is a big step up from a to4s. Please post the specs on your compressor wheel, I'm very curious.

nyt

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no comp wheel specs. its bigger than you think, thas all im gonna say.

i ran a t04s. it made lots of power.. this comp is bigger than a t04r.

look at the dynosf rom the t04rs that were posted.. i was unimpressed... look at the t04s dynos.. 430+ rwhp..

whatever, im looking for over 500 on pump.. ill see what i turn out with this turbo + my bridge port.

its installed. i need to cut off a 2.5" elbow from my old to4s, and weld on a 3" elbow.. and i need some vacuum line... other than that im ready to go very soon, maybe this weekend

nyt

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oh yeah its 0f with windchill.. i was out all night (5pm-1am)

that sucked..

stupid dual sided bolts backin out and ****** up my world.. grr..

IGY

Why no specs on the wheel?

rotarygod

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Nice turbo and good luck but...

People who say things are "secret" **** me off! There is nothing on an RX-7 worth keeping a secret. We aren't talking about a big multimillion dollar Formula 1 race team secret and this isn't a new military jet. We are talking about a 10 year old car that isn't made anymore. It is obviously not meant for a serious race track as the goal is on pump gas. We do know the wheel is bigger than a T-04R. Yay. If you won't tell us what the wheel is, do us a favor and in the future just don't say anything about your vehicle at all. If you can't tell all you shouldn't tell anything. No one is going to out and copy you anyways.

That being said, I wish you the best of luck and hope you meet your goal. It should be really nice.

Zero R

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I'm curious was the turbine wheel changed also?

RETed

I'm sorry you have no clue on what the "American Way" is.
Go tell the FBI/CIA about your rant.
I'm sorry you're still stuck on the 424.6rwhp number.
It's obvious you're the one that's in the dark with no clue.


-Ted