Haltech Sprint RE V.S. Power FC
08-14-12, 08:17 PM
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Haltech Sprint RE V.S. Power FC
So I am torn between the two for my build. The general idea of my build is "room to grow"
BW s400sx FMW, divided mani, 550/1680 extreme fuel kit, unopened 55k motor, denso pump, bla bla bla.
Goals: More power than the twins on the same PSI, and a super simple set up.
MUSTS: AC, Laptop tuning, run the OMP pump, simple simple simple
I love how the power FC is plug and play with tons of tried and true users, and tons of support. The down side is the interface, i know the datalogic is the way to go and is a must.
Can someone add more negatives about the power fc?
I like how the sprint RE is relatively simple to wire up, I have some megasquirt experience on a KA24DE. Will i retain my AC? will it run my OMP?
What are the negatives to the sprint RE?
BW s400sx FMW, divided mani, 550/1680 extreme fuel kit, unopened 55k motor, denso pump, bla bla bla.
Goals: More power than the twins on the same PSI, and a super simple set up.
MUSTS: AC, Laptop tuning, run the OMP pump, simple simple simple
I love how the power FC is plug and play with tons of tried and true users, and tons of support. The down side is the interface, i know the datalogic is the way to go and is a must.
Can someone add more negatives about the power fc?
I like how the sprint RE is relatively simple to wire up, I have some megasquirt experience on a KA24DE. Will i retain my AC? will it run my OMP?
What are the negatives to the sprint RE?
08-14-12, 08:52 PM
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sprint re will not run a/c or omp. I'd honestly save up for either a PS1000 or a Link g4 rx. You'll be more happy in the end and have room to grow with both of those ecu's. Not too many limiting factors with them as opposed to the pfc or sprint.
08-14-12, 08:52 PM
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built down to a price and must run saturated injectors..less map plot points ( than the p1000) dont think it does OMP either
( havent fitted one so dont know )
if you wish to have an ecu that can expand with the car then i would suggest the platinum 1000 as having no compromises built into it ,, will do from stock to 600 + HP setups and all the fruit that goes with that and has 32x32 mapping
( havent fitted one so dont know )
if you wish to have an ecu that can expand with the car then i would suggest the platinum 1000 as having no compromises built into it ,, will do from stock to 600 + HP setups and all the fruit that goes with that and has 32x32 mapping
08-14-12, 10:52 PM
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Well.....
who will be tuning the car? It's nice to have all the bells and whistles but I would go with what's suitable for you present and not so distant future also what your tuner works with or prefers. If you plan to have ray do it then you should discuss with him.
I would consider a used PFC. You can always use my datalogit on the dyno or buy one later. PFC will take you well past your goals.
Just so it's noted here... Pull that motor apart now to freshen up and clean those ports! Those seals are going to ruin your motor and new turbo when they go.
I would consider a used PFC. You can always use my datalogit on the dyno or buy one later. PFC will take you well past your goals.
Just so it's noted here... Pull that motor apart now to freshen up and clean those ports! Those seals are going to ruin your motor and new turbo when they go.
08-15-12, 05:33 AM
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forget microtech or the **** power fc. If you want OMP and air cond and all that, go Link G4 Storm, RX or extreme. Dave at D-Tech here in NZ can sort out the mapping for th eoil mettering pump etc.
08-15-12, 03:47 PM
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I personally run a link g4 rx and love it. although i have setup a bunch of ps1000-2000 and re's. They are all good in perspective of what your looking for. If you want all the thrills and creature comforts I'd highly rec a link g4(rx,xtreme,etc..) or the Platinum sport haltechs. They are all very user friendly and relative easy to tune.
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08-15-12, 05:22 PM
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- adds a couple degrees of timing beyond what you program on its own
- cant control timing and have a functional iac valve at idle
- must pay extra $ to be able to setup 1680cc or larger secondaries, adjust fan speeds, or really do much of anything useful. The commander is good for a gauge/display, quick small adjustments and handy for sensor check but thats about it.
- stuck with a fuel cut instead of ign cut rev limiter
- poor descriptions, many of the tables are poorly labeled and not intuitive to use
- cant control timing and have a functional iac valve at idle
- must pay extra $ to be able to setup 1680cc or larger secondaries, adjust fan speeds, or really do much of anything useful. The commander is good for a gauge/display, quick small adjustments and handy for sensor check but thats about it.
- stuck with a fuel cut instead of ign cut rev limiter
- poor descriptions, many of the tables are poorly labeled and not intuitive to use
08-15-12, 11:41 PM
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PowerFC is the only good option for an FD unless you have specific needs that go beyond what it is capable. Anyone that says otherwise is trying to sell you an ECU or doesn't know any better and is just posting the garbage they were fed by so and so. Talk to the person that will be tuning your car, if they suggest something else then listen to them. Do not listen to anyone on the forum that tells you to install anything but a PowerFC in a street FD.
The Microtech is an inferior ECU when compared to a PowerFC and when you consider that it is not capable of making the car running as smoothly, its not even an option in my opinion. The reason people like the Microtech is because it is extremely simple to tune and on some applications, I even recommend a Microtech. A street FD is not one of them.
Sprint RE vs. PowerFC. Again, the Sprint RE is an inferior ECU that lacks functions and is extremely limited. You would never be able to get the car to run 100%. Though, you could get it to make the same power like any ECU.
The P1000 would be an option as it has some extra features but again I would not recommend it unless you specifically need those features and/or your tuner wants you to use it.
DriftDreamzSS, nothing you mentioned is really a negative to the PFC at all...
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The Microtech is an inferior ECU when compared to a PowerFC and when you consider that it is not capable of making the car running as smoothly, its not even an option in my opinion. The reason people like the Microtech is because it is extremely simple to tune and on some applications, I even recommend a Microtech. A street FD is not one of them.
Sprint RE vs. PowerFC. Again, the Sprint RE is an inferior ECU that lacks functions and is extremely limited. You would never be able to get the car to run 100%. Though, you could get it to make the same power like any ECU.
The P1000 would be an option as it has some extra features but again I would not recommend it unless you specifically need those features and/or your tuner wants you to use it.
DriftDreamzSS, nothing you mentioned is really a negative to the PFC at all...
- adds a couple degrees of timing beyond what you program on its own
This is well known and tuners should know this and tune accordingly. It adds 1-2 degrees of timing in the same spots every time, it is not random. Look at the logs as any tuner should be doing and adjust your maps accordingly, that is tuning isn't it?
- cant control timing and have a functional iac valve at idle
Why is that a problem? The only time I have ever had to disable the ISC to get more timing was on a bridgeport, otherwise the stock timing is perfectly fine and works extremely well.
- must pay extra $ to be able to setup 1680cc or larger secondaries, adjust fan speeds, or really do much of anything useful. The commander is good for a gauge/display, quick small adjustments and handy for sensor check but thats about it.
The commander is a monitoring tool, not a tuning tool, though it can be used for making minor changes on the fly. Any rotary tuner will have a datalogit, you do not need to buy one yourself. Even if you are tuning it yourself, PowerFC + datalogit is still cheaper then other ECU options LOL.
- stuck with a fuel cut instead of ign cut rev limiter
You are incorrect. Fuel cut happens for overboost protection, the rev limiter is an IGN cut.
- poor descriptions, many of the tables are poorly labeled and not intuitive to use
Are you kidding? Tuning a PowerFC is the simplest ECU out there, 2nd only to the Microtech which is even simpler. Like any ECU, a tuner needs to learn how to use it, if they are not willing to learn a new system, then you should be using what they suggest as that is your only option.
This is well known and tuners should know this and tune accordingly. It adds 1-2 degrees of timing in the same spots every time, it is not random. Look at the logs as any tuner should be doing and adjust your maps accordingly, that is tuning isn't it?
- cant control timing and have a functional iac valve at idle
Why is that a problem? The only time I have ever had to disable the ISC to get more timing was on a bridgeport, otherwise the stock timing is perfectly fine and works extremely well.
- must pay extra $ to be able to setup 1680cc or larger secondaries, adjust fan speeds, or really do much of anything useful. The commander is good for a gauge/display, quick small adjustments and handy for sensor check but thats about it.
The commander is a monitoring tool, not a tuning tool, though it can be used for making minor changes on the fly. Any rotary tuner will have a datalogit, you do not need to buy one yourself. Even if you are tuning it yourself, PowerFC + datalogit is still cheaper then other ECU options LOL.
- stuck with a fuel cut instead of ign cut rev limiter
You are incorrect. Fuel cut happens for overboost protection, the rev limiter is an IGN cut.
- poor descriptions, many of the tables are poorly labeled and not intuitive to use
Are you kidding? Tuning a PowerFC is the simplest ECU out there, 2nd only to the Microtech which is even simpler. Like any ECU, a tuner needs to learn how to use it, if they are not willing to learn a new system, then you should be using what they suggest as that is your only option.
08-16-12, 02:10 AM
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Thewird, I'm actually in agreement with you on most of that. I use pfc/datalogit to tune my street ported 35r FD @1.15 bar and am very happy with the ecu and find it more than capable for my needs. And thank you for the correction I was indeed meaning to refer to the overboost fuel cut. Nevertheless there are those out there that feel they need or prefer an ecu with ign cut overboost protection, more capability out of the box such as aux inputs, logging and laptop connectivity without purchasing additional hardware, and full controll of timing maps 100% of the time. If the OP was among that group I felt it was fair to share those limitations with him before he purchases something he may not be happy with.
08-16-12, 02:18 AM
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I usualy say the same thing regarding use what your tuner knows. But, so many rotary tuners only know microtech or power fc so only suggest them when both are so limited in other functions, with very little $ savings to justify the lack of 'extras' that are of use if you or your tuner can be bothered to set them up, and your not too tight to pay for it.
08-18-12, 05:33 PM
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Power FC ordered.
ill go with the sprint RE when i turbo the rx3 or locost.
i figured Power FC would be a great street set up. and the haltech should be perfect for a more custom built application
ill go with the sprint RE when i turbo the rx3 or locost.
i figured Power FC would be a great street set up. and the haltech should be perfect for a more custom built application
08-19-12, 09:54 AM
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For an FD that needs the daily driver functionality (OMP, A/C), the Power FC is a good choice for most applications. It tends to work better out of the box.
If you have a swap of some sort, only need the most basic of functionality, the Sprint RE makes more sense.
If you want full featured, PS1000 would be good but the AEM EMS is actually a good full-featured option that doesn't require rewiring. It had problems on its initial introduction a long time ago but now they are fine.
If you have a swap of some sort, only need the most basic of functionality, the Sprint RE makes more sense.
If you want full featured, PS1000 would be good but the AEM EMS is actually a good full-featured option that doesn't require rewiring. It had problems on its initial introduction a long time ago but now they are fine.
01-09-13, 12:18 PM
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Just wanted to post me 2 cents on this topic.. Even tho I do NOT have a FD RX7 car, I am running a Haltech Sprint RE in my STARXQUEST project and I have full tuneability other than no OMP tables which I eliminated the OMP and premix every fill up and my AC is a custom unit cycled by it's own circuit, has 16x16 tables which are enough to tune properly unless you want extremely precise tuning, there is no limit on running bigger high impedance injectors (that I am aware of), has a 1.5 Bar 22psi internal MAP sensor tho I will want to boost more than 22 psi safely in the future.. I am self taught tuning my own PCM but am currently reading Engine Management Advanced Tuning by Greg Banish, a book I found at Auto Zone a while back lol has some nice insights on tuning standalones.. I had the Renesis engine in my ride safely rev up to 9300 rpm's and am currently working on dropping the FD engine in and will soon tune it with the Sprint RE... Oh and I snagged this Haltech brand new from Ebay for $840 shipped 2 years ago !
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