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Old May 10, 2010 | 03:38 PM
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borg warner s472 T4 hotside and no extended tip.

Ok just wanted to know if any of you guys have any experience with this particular turbo? It's a Borg Warner s472 that has a 1.01 t4 hotside and no extended tip. The turbo will be on a fully divided manifold. Does anyone here have any particular experience with and t4 s400 as well as no extended tip design? I just bought this setup from someone on the forum for a great price so I'll try it out to see how it goes.
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Old May 10, 2010 | 04:17 PM
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Never used it.


Ill have some dyno results for a borgwarner s400 with 75mm extended tip and 1.32 turbine soon.
Im still trying to find someone who will sell me a s400 with a 75mm extended tip compressor with a .96 turbine.
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Old May 10, 2010 | 05:34 PM
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you ever used a non extended tip bw of any kind and compared them with the same size turbo but with extended tip? Just wondering how much the non ET is going hinder spool up time.
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Old May 10, 2010 | 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by rx72c
Never used it.

Ill have some dyno results for a borgwarner s400 with 75mm extended tip and 1.32 turbine soon.
Im still trying to find someone who will sell me a s400 with a 75mm extended tip compressor with a .96 turbine.
There isnt a .96 a/r turbine for that turbine. I dont believe BW even has one of that exact size. Thats one used by Garrett, Turbonetics, and Precision.

The closest you can get is a 1.10 a/r, but its not cheap.

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you ever used a non extended tip bw of any kind and compared them with the same size turbo but with extended tip? Just wondering how much the non ET is going hinder spool up time.
Ive had experience with them. Spool wont really be slower, but to make similar power to an ETT you need to run higher boost pressure.
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Old May 11, 2010 | 07:41 AM
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oh ok, for some reason I thought ETT was to help spool up time as well. Just looking for 500hp and think this turbo aught to do it relatively easily.
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Old May 11, 2010 | 04:25 PM
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The .96 a/r housing does exist. I have seen it in my own eyes. Might be a custom jobbie. Mikes turbos does them but he does not answer emails.
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Old May 12, 2010 | 06:05 PM
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should be a fun little turbo



I know it's no high dollar garret or precision but I think it'll do what I want it too.
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Old May 13, 2010 | 12:18 PM
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The .96 a/r housing does exist. I have seen it in my own eyes. Might be a custom jobbie. Mikes turbos does them but he does not answer emails.
I just got a return email from my guy there. He said they only have the 1.10 housing.
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Old May 13, 2010 | 02:24 PM
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Yeah that's the housing I have too.
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Old May 13, 2010 | 04:29 PM
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off the shelf the 1.10 housing is the smallest.

But you can get a .96 custom machine job.

Got any pics of your rear housing hondahater.
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Old May 13, 2010 | 06:15 PM
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actually 0.90 a/r is the smallest you can get guys
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Old May 13, 2010 | 07:53 PM
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here are a few...
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Old May 13, 2010 | 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by rx72c
off the shelf the 1.10 housing is the smallest.

But you can get a .96 custom machine job.

Got any pics of your rear housing hondahater.
Yeah, you could find someone to do the housing.

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actually 0.90 a/r is the smallest you can get guys
No sense in going that small with such a large turbine. Turbine efficiency drops way down when you do that. If you run a big turbo, you are better off sacrificing some low end and keeping the high end power.
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Old May 13, 2010 | 10:11 PM
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in other words say instead of hitting full boost at 4k and running out of puff at 7.5k(giving you a 3.5k power band) its better to have full boost at 5k and having power all the way to 9k(having 4k powerband)

is that what you mean?
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Old May 14, 2010 | 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by turbotoaster
in other words say instead of hitting full boost at 4k and running out of puff at 7.5k(giving you a 3.5k power band) its better to have full boost at 5k and having power all the way to 9k(having 4k powerband)

is that what you mean?
Yes, especially when its a larger turbo, and the point being more high end power. Not only that, but you would make more horsepower along with the better powerband.
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Old May 14, 2010 | 08:58 AM
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* Add $199 for T4 housing (.90A/R, 1.00A/R, 1.10A/R, 1.25A/R).

**Optional True Genuine Borg Warner race cover available for $289 extra. Cover is a higher flowing casting with 3" slip discharge. 75-100hp gains.

You better not be talking about using a single entry 0.96 T4 Omar!
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Old May 14, 2010 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Jobro
http://www.forcedinductions.com/productsborgwarner.htm

* Add $199 for T4 housing (.90A/R, 1.00A/R, 1.10A/R, 1.25A/R).

**Optional True Genuine Borg Warner race cover available for $289 extra. Cover is a higher flowing casting with 3" slip discharge. 75-100hp gains.

You better not be talking about using a single entry 0.96 T4 Omar!
That doesnt apply to the larger 96mm turbine wheel. The T4 .90, 1.00, 1.10, and 1.25 are all divided housings.
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Old May 14, 2010 | 12:48 PM
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is it possible to use a 96mm turbine wheel in a t4 frame, is that a custom thing?
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Old May 14, 2010 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by turbotoaster
is it possible to use a 96mm turbine wheel in a t4 frame, is that a custom thing?
As far as I know, Precision is the only one that makes a T4 housing for a large turbine wheel of similar size. You could possible have that housing cut for the 96mm wheel, but its just better to go T6.
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