500RWHP FD RX7 on PUMP gas...
12-27-07, 10:09 PM
#52
I don't need E-85 to make 500 hp.
Been there and done that before on 93 pump. With the right combination you don't need mega boost to make 500rwhp like most do. Actually with the right porting 500rwhp is walk in the park with 93 octane. That's 90's power level on pump gas.
Didn't even need EFI or a REW block to do it either. 
When people copy others they never progress pass the level they copied if even if they can get to that level. For the rest they learn form their mistakes and keep crossing that bridge to move on to the next level. The sad part is that some of these people because they can never progress to the next level always doubt the ones who have.
Been there and done that before on 93 pump. With the right combination you don't need mega boost to make 500rwhp like most do. Actually with the right porting 500rwhp is walk in the park with 93 octane. That's 90's power level on pump gas.
Didn't even need EFI or a REW block to do it either. When people copy others they never progress pass the level they copied if even if they can get to that level. For the rest they learn form their mistakes and keep crossing that bridge to move on to the next level. The sad part is that some of these people because they can never progress to the next level always doubt the ones who have.
12-27-07, 10:14 PM
#54
Alright, a test then for "Abel" to see if he is who he says he is:
3 1/2 years ago you and the crew were at Texas Motorplex in Ennis w/ the K&N triple-rotor car. You guys were having trouble with it. Cris with Rotary Performance asked me for something and both of us went to the race trailer. What was the item that you were asking for from Cris and/or myself to help w/ the car?
B
3 1/2 years ago you and the crew were at Texas Motorplex in Ennis w/ the K&N triple-rotor car. You guys were having trouble with it. Cris with Rotary Performance asked me for something and both of us went to the race trailer. What was the item that you were asking for from Cris and/or myself to help w/ the car?
B
12-27-07, 10:18 PM
#55
I don't need E-85 to make 500 hp.
Been there and done that before on 93 pump. With the right combination you don't need mega boost to make 500rwhp like most do. Actually with the right porting 500rwhp is walk in the park with 93 octane. That's 90's power level on pump gas. Didn't even need EFI or a REW block to do it either.
When people copy others they never progress pass the level they copied if even if they can get to that level. For the rest they learn form their mistakes and keep crossing that bridge to move on to the next level. The sad part is that some of these people because they can never progress to the next level always doubt the ones who have.
Been there and done that before on 93 pump. With the right combination you don't need mega boost to make 500rwhp like most do. Actually with the right porting 500rwhp is walk in the park with 93 octane. That's 90's power level on pump gas.
Didn't even need EFI or a REW block to do it either. When people copy others they never progress pass the level they copied if even if they can get to that level. For the rest they learn form their mistakes and keep crossing that bridge to move on to the next level. The sad part is that some of these people because they can never progress to the next level always doubt the ones who have.
12-27-07, 10:19 PM
#56
Of course it is possible. With the right turbo, right motor, and good tuning, it is very possible. It has been done as people have said, it CAN be done, just need to do some research. Im sure you could do it on a gt40r turbo kit, wanna buy one, i know one for sale 
12-27-07, 10:23 PM
#58
I've preach many times to people on here but they choose to follow the blind. More power to them.
It's all about making the combination very very efficent and also having the proper control with the right equipment and most improtant the 'know' how to do so.
12-27-07, 10:25 PM
#59
12-27-07, 10:28 PM
#60
12-27-07, 10:29 PM
#61
Is it possible !?!?
I'm new to this forum but not to performance cars in general. I want to build a reliable 450-500RWHP daily driver that can achieve its HP on PUMP GAS (93oct.) I understand there are major reliability issues with higher HP rotaries. I've owned every type of import sportscar and domestic but have always had a huge love for the rotary 93-95 FD RX7's and daydream of building a quick 450-500RWHP daily driver, using no meth inj. or gimmicks.
**In short, is this possible? What are the reliable pump gas (93oct.) limits of the 13B rotary motor? (assuming you can build a fully street ported or half-bridged motor with good seals, and all the supporting harware)
**IF it's possible, can I achieve my goal of 450RWHP-to-500RWHP on pump running a GT40R turbo kit or maybe going to a GR74 kit?
**Lastly, can anyone post what the TOP three -to- five 3rd gen 13B guys are putting to the ground on 93oct. PUMP gas? I'm talking about the highest known RWHP numbers on actual street driven cars use 93oct and are fairly reliable*
All informative feedback is highly appreciate*
I'm new to this forum but not to performance cars in general. I want to build a reliable 450-500RWHP daily driver that can achieve its HP on PUMP GAS (93oct.) I understand there are major reliability issues with higher HP rotaries. I've owned every type of import sportscar and domestic but have always had a huge love for the rotary 93-95 FD RX7's and daydream of building a quick 450-500RWHP daily driver, using no meth inj. or gimmicks.
**In short, is this possible? What are the reliable pump gas (93oct.) limits of the 13B rotary motor? (assuming you can build a fully street ported or half-bridged motor with good seals, and all the supporting harware)
**IF it's possible, can I achieve my goal of 450RWHP-to-500RWHP on pump running a GT40R turbo kit or maybe going to a GR74 kit?
**Lastly, can anyone post what the TOP three -to- five 3rd gen 13B guys are putting to the ground on 93oct. PUMP gas? I'm talking about the highest known RWHP numbers on actual street driven cars use 93oct and are fairly reliable*
All informative feedback is highly appreciate*
450 RWHP on just pump gas is easy and we have done many 500+ RWHP on pump gas and meth. Aux injection is the way to go.
12-28-07, 12:21 AM
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I don't need E-85 to make 500 hp.
Been there and done that before on 93 pump. With the right combination you don't need mega boost to make 500rwhp like most do. Actually with the right porting 500rwhp is walk in the park with 93 octane. That's 90's power level on pump gas. Didn't even need EFI or a REW block to do it either.
When people copy others they never progress pass the level they copied if even if they can get to that level. For the rest they learn form their mistakes and keep crossing that bridge to move on to the next level. The sad part is that some of these people because they can never progress to the next level always doubt the ones who have.
Been there and done that before on 93 pump. With the right combination you don't need mega boost to make 500rwhp like most do. Actually with the right porting 500rwhp is walk in the park with 93 octane. That's 90's power level on pump gas.
Didn't even need EFI or a REW block to do it either. When people copy others they never progress pass the level they copied if even if they can get to that level. For the rest they learn form their mistakes and keep crossing that bridge to move on to the next level. The sad part is that some of these people because they can never progress to the next level always doubt the ones who have.
I've heard you say 500 is nothin on pump gas before. You the man.
check your pm's boss
12-28-07, 02:55 AM
#64
daydream of building a quick 450-500RWHP daily driver, using no meth inj. or gimmicks.
**In short, is this possible? What are the reliable pump gas (93oct.) limits of the 13B rotary motor? (assuming you can build a fully street ported or half-bridged motor with good seals, and all the supporting harware)
**IF it's possible, can I achieve my goal of 450RWHP-to-500RWHP on pump running a GT40R turbo kit or maybe going to a GR74 kit?
**In short, is this possible? What are the reliable pump gas (93oct.) limits of the 13B rotary motor? (assuming you can build a fully street ported or half-bridged motor with good seals, and all the supporting harware)
**IF it's possible, can I achieve my goal of 450RWHP-to-500RWHP on pump running a GT40R turbo kit or maybe going to a GR74 kit?
409 at 14 psi (93 octane)
457 at 18 psi (93 octane)
492 at 20.5 psi (C-16, turbo couldnt boost more at redline)
These are old numbers off an old tune. Should break 500rwhp on regular pump e85 in the near future. Been running for about 4 years now. I abuse it on a regular basis.
There's an old dyno video in my sig, for details on the setup.
12-28-07, 04:25 AM
#65
Platinum Certified tuner
Just show some proof already. Not to mention, it'd also be right to be forthright with what exactly is being used. I've never ever once ever heard of a straight-up combo running on 100% *only* 91-93 octane pump gas EFI system, consistently making 500rwhp at whatever boost on any variant of the 13B. There's always a catch of some sort. There's always some sort of "minour detail" that's conveniently left out that has more than a significant effect behind the reason on why it's made that kind of power. That's either the case or it's an attempt by someone doing it once, blowing the car up, and never telling anyone else that it grenaded itself.
It's very difficult to truly achieve that power and especially on a consistent, reliable basis.
It's very easy to fool people into thinking it's done when all you have to do is show a couple of pictures and toss some horsepower figures around on an Internet forum w/o any evidence.
B
It's very difficult to truly achieve that power and especially on a consistent, reliable basis.
It's very easy to fool people into thinking it's done when all you have to do is show a couple of pictures and toss some horsepower figures around on an Internet forum w/o any evidence.
B
Once in a while only Ari and Karl come down and support ( and we all know they're not on pump gas)
So please..... if you have a 500whp pump gas rotary , you and your black exhaust tip should be at the next True street/street class event representing. Also the $1000 cash prize will help pay for some of that 87 octane.
12-28-07, 04:35 PM
#68
The same happend to me years ago and it took some time to figure out what in the combination made that happen but it works.
I've preach many times to people on here but they choose to follow the blind. More power to them.
It's all about making the combination very very efficent and also having the proper control with the right equipment and most improtant the 'know' how to do so.
I've preach many times to people on here but they choose to follow the blind. More power to them.
It's all about making the combination very very efficent and also having the proper control with the right equipment and most improtant the 'know' how to do so.
Ian
12-28-07, 08:14 PM
#69
Is it possible !?!?
I'm new to this forum but not to performance cars in general. I want to build a reliable 450-500RWHP daily driver that can achieve its HP on PUMP GAS (93oct.) I understand there are major reliability issues with higher HP rotaries. I've owned every type of import sportscar and domestic but have always had a huge love for the rotary 93-95 FD RX7's and daydream of building a quick 450-500RWHP daily driver, using no meth inj. or gimmicks.
I'm new to this forum but not to performance cars in general. I want to build a reliable 450-500RWHP daily driver that can achieve its HP on PUMP GAS (93oct.) I understand there are major reliability issues with higher HP rotaries. I've owned every type of import sportscar and domestic but have always had a huge love for the rotary 93-95 FD RX7's and daydream of building a quick 450-500RWHP daily driver, using no meth inj. or gimmicks.
Would be nice to not be the only rx7 at the college park meets. =)
Like others have said, it is possible, but between 420-450 rwhp seems like a fairly safe level for pump gas. Which is plently of power for the street in an rx7
For comparisons sake, when i raced u in ur viper on the way back from MIR last year, i was only making about 370 rwhp.
-Austin
12-28-07, 11:46 PM
#72
Performance Veteran...
Thread Starter
I thought you were pretty much in your dyno'ed '386RWHP configuration' when you raced me? (not that there's much difference from 370, lol).
You are correct, all that my Viper GTS had at that time was a cat-back exhaust and K & N cone airfilters...everything was untouched/stock. Since then, I've changed a bit (i.e. headers, high-flows metal substrate cats, high ratio RR's, tune, etc, etc...). I have raced two C6 Z06's and had been publicly called out and raced a third (with intake/exhaust/tune)...and I had beat ALL of them in ALL the races...(two stock ones by three cars and the intake/exhaust/tune by one) 60-160MPH.
Hell, if you add about three more modded C5 Z06 kills to the tally, my friends and I had joked of getting me personalized plates that read "Z06 KLR" ...ROFL. I love my GTS to death by it's almost TOO nice (if that makes sense). My particular car being an extremely clean, low-mile exotic with mint orginal paint, etc, I don't want to beat the hell out of it trying to track it & don't want it to depreciate it from high miles. (I MAY drive the thing once a month off season and once a week spring/summer...about a dozen drives the whole year!)...and that's no fun. With an RX7*, I would actually DRIVE it, do track events (both drag and road course), daily drive her (HARD), and wouldn't care of the consquences to the vehicle at 10/10ths* (basically, not stress as much about the car and have A LOT more fun)
BTW, turbodRX7...if its cool PM me your cell (with generally good times to reach you) as there's A LOT of questions (too many to type) I have for you as it now seems I'll be adding a single'd/race ported FD to my stable in the near future.
PS; I thank everyone for their feedback (and PM's) on this "high HP on pump" topic, it seems 'rx7club.com' is a very informative forum & THE authority on RX7's/rotary power (the other RX7 forums were a joke compared to this one)...if you messaged me, bear with me I sometimes don't make to the net daily.
As soon as I get my car/build under way I will certainly share it all with you guys. My objective is ~500RWHP on PUMP, ~650RWHP on C16...in a daily driver, decent enough responce/spool to track it on a larger road course (i.e. summit point). Lastly, gotta be ready by the 08' season*
12-29-07, 12:40 AM
#74
Amen to that brother, it seems like everybody and their moma in the forums makes 500HP+ on 87 octane & are daily drivers. That's why I love the race track , because you can't fake dyno graphs when it comes to the real deal, which reminds me ..... for the past 4 years I haven't seen any of the forums 500HP pump gas Rx7's on any of the Street Classes on the West Coast (I know this because I'm the only one on the staging lanes with a rotary).
Once in a while only Ari and Karl come down and support ( and we all know they're not on pump gas)
So please..... if you have a 500whp pump gas rotary , you and your black exhaust tip should be at the next True street/street class event representing. Also the $1000 cash prize will help pay for some of that 87 octane.
Once in a while only Ari and Karl come down and support ( and we all know they're not on pump gas)
So please..... if you have a 500whp pump gas rotary , you and your black exhaust tip should be at the next True street/street class event representing. Also the $1000 cash prize will help pay for some of that 87 octane.
12-29-07, 02:02 AM
#75
Performance Veteran...
Thread Starter
PS; If it's ok, can u also PM me your entire set-up, including vehicle information (touring, R1, base?)