FC Sunroof panel?
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Hey guys. I have an update. I apologize as I had promised pics sooner.
We've ran into a bit of a problem and "now" I can see why other sunroofs available on the market have fitment issues. If I recall correctly, the FC3S oem sunroof replacement currently on the market is not disireable because of fitment issues correct?
This project is a bit harder than I thought. Before we started the project, I did not see how a company could mess up on fitment on such a small and simple looking part. The problem with composite materials vs metal is that is very difficult to get a thin laminate and be as structurally solid as a metal piece. The problem arises when we adhere the top of the sunroof with the bottomside (part that is seen inside car) of the sunroof. The composite material is too thick to allow a tight adhesion causing the sunroof to be thicker than its metal oem counterpart. Its not THAT bad, but I have a few adjustments/solutions, which I think can get it close to OEM spec. I like parts fitting and sitting nicely so be assured we are trying our best to get this right.
In the meantime, here are a fews pics of the first one made. It is made of Carbon Kevlar
.
Here are pics on a car. I did not bolt these down so the actual fitment is not as bad as it looks. Bolting them down would improve the visuals obviously, but we are still aiming for better fitment.


Here are underside pics of our version of the sunroof. The center portion, which can seen from the inside of the car, has been flattened out. The perimeter is not seen when bolted.

vs.
OEM
We've ran into a bit of a problem and "now" I can see why other sunroofs available on the market have fitment issues. If I recall correctly, the FC3S oem sunroof replacement currently on the market is not disireable because of fitment issues correct?
This project is a bit harder than I thought. Before we started the project, I did not see how a company could mess up on fitment on such a small and simple looking part. The problem with composite materials vs metal is that is very difficult to get a thin laminate and be as structurally solid as a metal piece. The problem arises when we adhere the top of the sunroof with the bottomside (part that is seen inside car) of the sunroof. The composite material is too thick to allow a tight adhesion causing the sunroof to be thicker than its metal oem counterpart. Its not THAT bad, but I have a few adjustments/solutions, which I think can get it close to OEM spec. I like parts fitting and sitting nicely so be assured we are trying our best to get this right.
In the meantime, here are a fews pics of the first one made. It is made of Carbon Kevlar
. Here are pics on a car. I did not bolt these down so the actual fitment is not as bad as it looks. Bolting them down would improve the visuals obviously, but we are still aiming for better fitment.


Here are underside pics of our version of the sunroof. The center portion, which can seen from the inside of the car, has been flattened out. The perimeter is not seen when bolted.

vs.
OEM
Last edited by shineautoproject; May 21, 2009 at 03:54 AM.
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iTrader: (11)
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 2,840
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From: Rancho Cucamonga , California
Hey guys. I have an update. I apologize as I had promised pics sooner.
We've ran into a bit of a problem and "now" I can see why other sunroofs available on the market have fitment issues. If I recall correctly, the FC3S oem sunroof replacement currently on the market is not disireable because of fitment issues correct?
This project is a bit harder than I thought. Before we started the project, I did not see how a company could mess up on fitment on such a small and simple looking part. The problem with composite materials vs metal is that is very difficult to get a thin laminate and be as structurally solid as a metal piece. The problem arises when we adhere the top of the sunroof with the bottomside (part that is seen inside car) of the sunroof. The composite material is too thick to allow a tight adhesion causing the sunroof to be thicker than its metal oem counterpart. Its not THAT bad, but I have a few adjustments/solutions, which I think can get it close to OEM spec. I like parts fitting and sitting nicely so be assured we are trying our best to get this right.
In the meantime, here are a fews pics of the first one made. It is made of Carbon Kevlar
.
Here are pics on a car. I did not bolt these down so the actual fitment is not as bad as it looks. Bolting them down would improve the visuals obviously, but we are still aiming for better fitment.


Here are underside pics of our version of the sunroof. The center portion, which can seen from the inside of the car, has been flattened out. The perimeter is not seen when bolted.

vs.
OEM

We've ran into a bit of a problem and "now" I can see why other sunroofs available on the market have fitment issues. If I recall correctly, the FC3S oem sunroof replacement currently on the market is not disireable because of fitment issues correct?
This project is a bit harder than I thought. Before we started the project, I did not see how a company could mess up on fitment on such a small and simple looking part. The problem with composite materials vs metal is that is very difficult to get a thin laminate and be as structurally solid as a metal piece. The problem arises when we adhere the top of the sunroof with the bottomside (part that is seen inside car) of the sunroof. The composite material is too thick to allow a tight adhesion causing the sunroof to be thicker than its metal oem counterpart. Its not THAT bad, but I have a few adjustments/solutions, which I think can get it close to OEM spec. I like parts fitting and sitting nicely so be assured we are trying our best to get this right.
In the meantime, here are a fews pics of the first one made. It is made of Carbon Kevlar
. Here are pics on a car. I did not bolt these down so the actual fitment is not as bad as it looks. Bolting them down would improve the visuals obviously, but we are still aiming for better fitment.


Here are underside pics of our version of the sunroof. The center portion, which can seen from the inside of the car, has been flattened out. The perimeter is not seen when bolted.

vs.
OEM

It doesn't look that bad, maybe its because of the angle of the pics, or maybe is because you are been ****

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1. JwTeknix
2. knonfs
3. S5TII prev Kron
4. ehime
5. Jorochimaru
6. Rotarygoth
7. TiddlesFC3S
8. blmcquig
9. javrosario
10. jorx7
11. Iox106
12.12Adam Swim
13. d13al8
14. Kiy14Kix
15. Jaso15S
16. RxSi16
17. wil87
18. Amhorach
19. CrazyJason
20. FortyFiveD
21. ShadowArtsFC3S
22. Travis V
23. trust7
24. a143gsxr
25. blmcquig
26. AF_H1VLTG3
27. -B-
28. fc3s_nataku
29. Knivesm
30. nvrdone
31. Nealschumacher
32. JdmGtDriver
33. JdmGtDriver
34. puhpaper
35. Rithx7
36. Zionfarm
37. Blackball7
38. Rotarychainsaw
39. That Rx-7 kid
40. codered420a
41. eage8
42. katkaroto CFP
43. hello kitty
44. heydes
45. BurntOrangeT2
46. RotaSpinna69
47. airquin23
48. rotaryweaponse7en
49. Mutaku - rotary powa!
50. DRFTFC23
51. boog
52. Gregory Casimir
53. kaioken
54. FCS3!
55. sen2two
56. Lupin
2. knonfs
3. S5TII prev Kron
4. ehime
5. Jorochimaru
6. Rotarygoth
7. TiddlesFC3S
8. blmcquig
9. javrosario
10. jorx7
11. Iox106
12.12Adam Swim
13. d13al8
14. Kiy14Kix
15. Jaso15S
16. RxSi16
17. wil87
18. Amhorach
19. CrazyJason
20. FortyFiveD
21. ShadowArtsFC3S
22. Travis V
23. trust7
24. a143gsxr
25. blmcquig
26. AF_H1VLTG3
27. -B-
28. fc3s_nataku
29. Knivesm
30. nvrdone
31. Nealschumacher
32. JdmGtDriver
33. JdmGtDriver
34. puhpaper
35. Rithx7
36. Zionfarm
37. Blackball7
38. Rotarychainsaw
39. That Rx-7 kid
40. codered420a
41. eage8
42. katkaroto CFP
43. hello kitty
44. heydes
45. BurntOrangeT2
46. RotaSpinna69
47. airquin23
48. rotaryweaponse7en
49. Mutaku - rotary powa!
50. DRFTFC23
51. boog
52. Gregory Casimir
53. kaioken
54. FCS3!
55. sen2two
56. Lupin
1. JwTeknix
2. knonfs
3. S5TII prev Kron
4. ehime
5. Jorochimaru
6. Rotarygoth
7. TiddlesFC3S
8. blmcquig
9. javrosario
10. jorx7
11. Iox106
12.12Adam Swim
13. d13al8
14. Kiy14Kix
15. Jaso15S
16. RxSi16
17. wil87
18. Amhorach
19. CrazyJason
20. FortyFiveD
21. ShadowArtsFC3S
22. Travis V
23. trust7
24. a143gsxr
25. blmcquig
26. AF_H1VLTG3
27. -B-
28. fc3s_nataku
29. Knivesm
30. nvrdone
31. Nealschumacher
32. JdmGtDriver
33. JdmGtDriver
34. puhpaper
35. Rithx7
36. Zionfarm
37. Blackball7
38. Rotarychainsaw
39. That Rx-7 kid
40. codered420a
41. eage8
42. katkaroto CFP
43. hello kitty
44. heydes
45. BurntOrangeT2
46. RotaSpinna69
47. airquin23
48. rotaryweaponse7en
49. Mutaku - rotary powa!
50. DRFTFC23
51. boog
52. Gregory Casimir
53. kaioken
54. FCS3!
55. sen2two
56. Lupin
57. Psyclo
I've been watching this for a while and it seems almost there. I've got cash-in-hand waiting for your release.
2. knonfs
3. S5TII prev Kron
4. ehime
5. Jorochimaru
6. Rotarygoth
7. TiddlesFC3S
8. blmcquig
9. javrosario
10. jorx7
11. Iox106
12.12Adam Swim
13. d13al8
14. Kiy14Kix
15. Jaso15S
16. RxSi16
17. wil87
18. Amhorach
19. CrazyJason
20. FortyFiveD
21. ShadowArtsFC3S
22. Travis V
23. trust7
24. a143gsxr
25. blmcquig
26. AF_H1VLTG3
27. -B-
28. fc3s_nataku
29. Knivesm
30. nvrdone
31. Nealschumacher
32. JdmGtDriver
33. JdmGtDriver
34. puhpaper
35. Rithx7
36. Zionfarm
37. Blackball7
38. Rotarychainsaw
39. That Rx-7 kid
40. codered420a
41. eage8
42. katkaroto CFP
43. hello kitty
44. heydes
45. BurntOrangeT2
46. RotaSpinna69
47. airquin23
48. rotaryweaponse7en
49. Mutaku - rotary powa!
50. DRFTFC23
51. boog
52. Gregory Casimir
53. kaioken
54. FCS3!
55. sen2two
56. Lupin
57. Psyclo
I've been watching this for a while and it seems almost there. I've got cash-in-hand waiting for your release.
1. JwTeknix
2. knonfs
3. S5TII prev Kron
4. ehime
5. Jorochimaru
6. Rotarygoth
7. TiddlesFC3S
8. blmcquig
9. javrosario
10. jorx7
11. Iox106
12.12Adam Swim
13. d13al8
14. Kiy14Kix
15. Jaso15S
16. RxSi16
17. wil87
18. Amhorach
19. CrazyJason
20. FortyFiveD
21. ShadowArtsFC3S
22. Travis V
23. trust7
24. a143gsxr
25. blmcquig
26. AF_H1VLTG3
27. -B-
28. fc3s_nataku
29. Knivesm
30. nvrdone
31. Nealschumacher
32. JdmGtDriver
33. JdmGtDriver
34. puhpaper
35. Rithx7
36. Zionfarm
37. Blackball7
38. Rotarychainsaw
39. That Rx-7 kid
40. codered420a
41. eage8
42. katkaroto CFP
43. hello kitty
44. heydes
45. BurntOrangeT2
46. RotaSpinna69
47. airquin23
48. rotaryweaponse7en
49. Mutaku - rotary powa!
50. DRFTFC23
51. boog
52. Gregory Casimir
53. kaioken
54. FCS3!
55. sen2two
56. Lupin
57. Psyclo
58. WingsofWar
Carbon Kevlar...**** i gotta get on this....
2. knonfs
3. S5TII prev Kron
4. ehime
5. Jorochimaru
6. Rotarygoth
7. TiddlesFC3S
8. blmcquig
9. javrosario
10. jorx7
11. Iox106
12.12Adam Swim
13. d13al8
14. Kiy14Kix
15. Jaso15S
16. RxSi16
17. wil87
18. Amhorach
19. CrazyJason
20. FortyFiveD
21. ShadowArtsFC3S
22. Travis V
23. trust7
24. a143gsxr
25. blmcquig
26. AF_H1VLTG3
27. -B-
28. fc3s_nataku
29. Knivesm
30. nvrdone
31. Nealschumacher
32. JdmGtDriver
33. JdmGtDriver
34. puhpaper
35. Rithx7
36. Zionfarm
37. Blackball7
38. Rotarychainsaw
39. That Rx-7 kid
40. codered420a
41. eage8
42. katkaroto CFP
43. hello kitty
44. heydes
45. BurntOrangeT2
46. RotaSpinna69
47. airquin23
48. rotaryweaponse7en
49. Mutaku - rotary powa!
50. DRFTFC23
51. boog
52. Gregory Casimir
53. kaioken
54. FCS3!
55. sen2two
56. Lupin
57. Psyclo
58. WingsofWar
Carbon Kevlar...**** i gotta get on this....
1. JwTeknix
2. knonfs
3. S5TII prev Kron
4. ehime
5. Jorochimaru
6. Rotarygoth
7. TiddlesFC3S
8. blmcquig
9. javrosario
10. jorx7
11. Iox106
12.12Adam Swim
13. d13al8
14. Kiy14Kix
15. Jaso15S
16. RxSi16
17. wil87
18. Amhorach
19. CrazyJason
20. FortyFiveD
21. ShadowArtsFC3S
22. Travis V
23. trust7
24. a143gsxr
25. blmcquig
26. AF_H1VLTG3
27. -B-
28. fc3s_nataku
29. Knivesm
30. nvrdone
31. Nealschumacher
32. JdmGtDriver
33. JdmGtDriver
34. puhpaper
35. Rithx7
36. Zionfarm
37. Blackball7
38. Rotarychainsaw
39. That Rx-7 kid
40. codered420a
41. eage8
42. katkaroto CFP
43. hello kitty
44. heydes
45. BurntOrangeT2
46. RotaSpinna69
47. airquin23
48. rotaryweaponse7en
49. Mutaku - rotary powa!
50. DRFTFC23
51. boog
52. Gregory Casimir
53. kaioken
54. FCS3!
55. sen2two
56. Lupin
57. Psyclo
58. WingsofWar
59. RedDragon777
I can not wait, that CK is sick i might just leave it alone and not paint it.
2. knonfs
3. S5TII prev Kron
4. ehime
5. Jorochimaru
6. Rotarygoth
7. TiddlesFC3S
8. blmcquig
9. javrosario
10. jorx7
11. Iox106
12.12Adam Swim
13. d13al8
14. Kiy14Kix
15. Jaso15S
16. RxSi16
17. wil87
18. Amhorach
19. CrazyJason
20. FortyFiveD
21. ShadowArtsFC3S
22. Travis V
23. trust7
24. a143gsxr
25. blmcquig
26. AF_H1VLTG3
27. -B-
28. fc3s_nataku
29. Knivesm
30. nvrdone
31. Nealschumacher
32. JdmGtDriver
33. JdmGtDriver
34. puhpaper
35. Rithx7
36. Zionfarm
37. Blackball7
38. Rotarychainsaw
39. That Rx-7 kid
40. codered420a
41. eage8
42. katkaroto CFP
43. hello kitty
44. heydes
45. BurntOrangeT2
46. RotaSpinna69
47. airquin23
48. rotaryweaponse7en
49. Mutaku - rotary powa!
50. DRFTFC23
51. boog
52. Gregory Casimir
53. kaioken
54. FCS3!
55. sen2two
56. Lupin
57. Psyclo
58. WingsofWar
59. RedDragon777
I can not wait, that CK is sick i might just leave it alone and not paint it.
Ken,
Since you are to the point where you are doing final fittings do you have an idea yet of a release date? I have been a troll in this thread since the beginning and it looks like you are close to the final product.
Since you are to the point where you are doing final fittings do you have an idea yet of a release date? I have been a troll in this thread since the beginning and it looks like you are close to the final product.
1. JwTeknix
2. knonfs
3. S5TII prev Kron
4. ehime
5. Jorochimaru
6. Rotarygoth
7. TiddlesFC3S
8. blmcquig
9. javrosario
10. jorx7
11. Iox106
12.12Adam Swim
13. d13al8
14. Kiy14Kix
15. Jaso15S
16. RxSi16
17. wil87
18. Amhorach
19. CrazyJason
20. FortyFiveD
21. ShadowArtsFC3S
22. Travis V
23. trust7
24. a143gsxr
25. blmcquig
26. AF_H1VLTG3
27. -B-
28. fc3s_nataku
29. Knivesm
30. nvrdone
31. Nealschumacher
32. JdmGtDriver
33. JdmGtDriver
34. puhpaper
35. Rithx7
36. Zionfarm
37. Blackball7
38. Rotarychainsaw
39. That Rx-7 kid
40. codered420a
41. eage8
42. katkaroto CFP
43. hello kitty
44. heydes
45. BurntOrangeT2
46. RotaSpinna69
47. airquin23
48. rotaryweaponse7en
49. Mutaku - rotary powa!
50. DRFTFC23
51. boog
52. kaioken
53. FCS3!
54. sen2two
55. Lupin
56. Psyclo
57. WingsofWar
58. RedDragon777
yeah i got an oem replacement at an unbeatable price of $20 so i dont think i'll be needing one of these anytime soon.
i like the carbon kevlar looks sick!
2. knonfs
3. S5TII prev Kron
4. ehime
5. Jorochimaru
6. Rotarygoth
7. TiddlesFC3S
8. blmcquig
9. javrosario
10. jorx7
11. Iox106
12.12Adam Swim
13. d13al8
14. Kiy14Kix
15. Jaso15S
16. RxSi16
17. wil87
18. Amhorach
19. CrazyJason
20. FortyFiveD
21. ShadowArtsFC3S
22. Travis V
23. trust7
24. a143gsxr
25. blmcquig
26. AF_H1VLTG3
27. -B-
28. fc3s_nataku
29. Knivesm
30. nvrdone
31. Nealschumacher
32. JdmGtDriver
33. JdmGtDriver
34. puhpaper
35. Rithx7
36. Zionfarm
37. Blackball7
38. Rotarychainsaw
39. That Rx-7 kid
40. codered420a
41. eage8
42. katkaroto CFP
43. hello kitty
44. heydes
45. BurntOrangeT2
46. RotaSpinna69
47. airquin23
48. rotaryweaponse7en
49. Mutaku - rotary powa!
50. DRFTFC23
51. boog
52. kaioken
53. FCS3!
54. sen2two
55. Lupin
56. Psyclo
57. WingsofWar
58. RedDragon777
yeah i got an oem replacement at an unbeatable price of $20 so i dont think i'll be needing one of these anytime soon.
i like the carbon kevlar looks sick!
Would you be able to get part weights of each model once you have a sample of each?
The FRP you are using, is it glass matt reinforced with a more flexible resin or some other material? I take it the carbon and Kevlar are a standard weave with polyester resin(?) and a wet-layup? (or vacuum bagged?) Any gelcoat? Polishing?
Any laminate core material? or just enough layers to be appropriately stiff/strong?
Will we have to worry about further curing & warpage in the sun?
Thanks in advance for the info, I just want to make sure I know what I'm getting for the non-trivial $$.
The FRP you are using, is it glass matt reinforced with a more flexible resin or some other material? I take it the carbon and Kevlar are a standard weave with polyester resin(?) and a wet-layup? (or vacuum bagged?) Any gelcoat? Polishing?
Any laminate core material? or just enough layers to be appropriately stiff/strong?
Will we have to worry about further curing & warpage in the sun?
Thanks in advance for the info, I just want to make sure I know what I'm getting for the non-trivial $$.
wtf? i thought there was like 3 guys who said that they could drop of/mail in some clips. hey if you would like you can pm me and walk me threw the removal guide and i will mail you out my clips
Ken I still have headliner clips from the last time you asked. I thought
that someone else gave them to you already, but told you I'd send you
some. How many do you need? Which part (M/F?) do you need, or both?
Lemme know dude. I can't use em' anymore.
that someone else gave them to you already, but told you I'd send you
some. How many do you need? Which part (M/F?) do you need, or both?
Lemme know dude. I can't use em' anymore.







