Guys, there's another IFO coming up! Here's the info...

Third annual Import Face-Off: Sunday, November 13th (10 am - 5 pm) at Montgomery Motorsports Park.

DRAG CLASSES AND PAYOUTS
FWD Quick 8 $1200
Street Class Quick 8 $1000
Bracket 14.99 and Faster $100
BRACKET 15.00 and Slower $100
Motorcycle Bracket $100

SHOW CLASSES: Best Interior, Best Paint/Finish, Best Engine Bay, Best Display, Best Mitsubishi, Best Toyota, Best Nissan, Best Mazda, Best Euro, Best Civic (mild), Best Civic (wild), Best Other Honda (mild), Best Other Honda (wild), Best Acura (mild), Best Acura (wild), Best Other Import (Subaru, Hyundai, etc.), Best Domestic Sports Compact, Best Domestic Car, Best Domestic Truck/SUV, Best Import Truck/SUV, Best Luxury, Best Exotic, Best Club Represenation $200, Best of Show $300

OTHER ACTIVITIES: $500 Battle of the Shops Competition ( www.BattleOfTheShops.com ), Usaci Stereo Crank It Up Contest, Bikini Contest, Vendors, DJs, Burnout Contest, Midget Wrestling ( www.BloodyMidgets.com )

 

I'm boycotting this show!! Also, I'll be out of town that weekend..

 

well damn, i might have to stop by... it is all of a mile from work :P

 

why is that phil?
this looks like yet another HIN or NOPI knockoff and all 54 of this members posts have been to promote this ricefest. i think ill pass too.

 

I've been helping IFO since 2001 - They're all great events, much more fun than boring indoor car shows in my opinion, even Phil thinks so... /\ From Previous IFO thread

They market the event as a car show just to bring in big crowds, but racing is actually the main attraction. I think Phil is "boycotting" the show this year because IFO would not give him free entry after he tried asking for it.

 

Maybe you need to be more specific as to why.. As I've spend great deal of time emailing whomever I emailed to (Obviously SxyYotaGRL is acturally a guy??)

First, I asked for 0 (ZERO) monetary compensation.. Past 2 years when I helped out, I recieved NO Monetary compensation. Passing flyers and getting 1 dollar or so is not my cup of tea. I was just mearly trying to help as I did past 2 years. Don't try to make it sound like I'm some cheap teenager!! Past two years I went, only 1 or 2 7's showed.

Get the facts straight before trying to make me look bad on this forum. I've always tried to help out the 7 community.. until some **** like you comes on and makes me look like some cheap ***.. This really ticks me off..

 

I totally agree with Phil, he has helped that event by getting more people to come. I know I was one of them, I would have not went if Phil did not invited me to go. The money he help you made would have gotten him in free for many years. All Phil asked was a free entry for helping you out the past few years, instead of paying him in cash. And in return you said no. If Phil boycotts, I am not attending. Opps, there goes your money and Iam sure more money than just me.

Instead, of making money from Phil's advertising your event, now you will not make that money, just for one guy. Good way of doing business!!! You help the ones that help your business make money, not screw them.

Do not screw people that help make your business better, what are they going to do, take up more space at MMP? Not like your going to lose money.

 

Hmm...SxyToyaGRL, girl or guy, or whatever.

Like the post on the previous thread, we all had fun. But do not forget, fun does not exceed friendship. A lot of us Rx7 owner are close, good friend and even best of friends. Mess with one owner, mean the whole 7 community here. I hope IFO resolve this with Phil. Or you pretty much going to kiss good-bye a lot of B'ham owners not attending the show and some other non-7 owner attending the show/drag. Damn, guess I do not get the chance to show off my LS1 Rx7 w/150 of NAWS. Guess you cannot seeing me blow up my car at the strip. Dang it!! LOL

 

IFO here under SxyYotaGRLs name... I assure you Kellie is no guy. She's been at every IFO since the beginning. She'll be at this one too.

People asked why you're boycotting, and you asked to be more specific, so here are the facts (emails can be posted if needed)...

We have a promoter program that pays promoters $2 for every flyer that comes in with their number on it. Promoters who pass out the flyers typically make between $30 - $50, some up to $200. Instead of the money after doing the job, Phil wanted $0 and free entry up front. We gave this to him last year (actually two free passes). This year instead of giving him free entry up front again, we gave him a promoter number. Another words, if he did the job right he would still get free entry, only not up front, but as a check after the event, after flyers are tallied and checks mailed out. After telling Phil this, he replys... "I'm not some teenager wanting to make few bucks! If that's the case , Don't worry about it..". Now Phil is "boycotting" the event because we wouldn't give him free entry up front.

 

IFO is not going to "screw people over". IFO is not going to "mess with one owner". Phil asked for free entry up front, we said after. Then he got mad and decided to boycott... simple as that. How is that "screwing" with someone?

Everyone who pays to come into the show gets what they paid for, a fun day of racing. Large groups and car clubs come to these events all the time and everyone pays to support the event and the scene. No one ever emails asking for a free hand out because he or she is bringing in other people with him.

 

Kellie here...

Hopefully everyone understands now how simple this is and will stop over reacting. The Montgomery IFO has always been a great show with a good turnout and I'm sure it will be even better this year. Any support from the RX7 community will be greatly appreciated.

 

SxyYota,

Its simple.. I no longer want to help nor want to be associated with your event..
Obviously your event is to make money! I've organized an event and been to much higher class events than yours for FREE!! And they have let me and my friend in. As I stated before, bringing those who helped.. My statement as, "I'm not a teen" is because I'm not helping to make $2 bucks here, $2 there.. If I wanted to make money as you guys, I would of charged people to come to my event (And I provide prizes and FOOD)!! Not only that, free entrance to an event and increasing number is a good thing.. That acturally attract more people to come again.. Why do you think Nopi is so sucessful?? More cars, more high end cars, more people.. I'm not coming to your show with some poorly modded 7. I'm usually showing up with modified 7 when bunch of young teens wished they had one. Its your decision and I believe it was a bad call. I certainly don't want to waste gas and time to come down when I believe help is not wanted and can't see beyond someone wanting a free entrance.. Come on! Its not the money. Its to help! Less than 1 hour at work pays for your entrance fee... I'll be spending at least $25 on gas and hours standing around, probably cold Nov. weather.. I was also going to bring other 7 owners (as stated before).
I have better things to do that weekend now.. Like going to pick up a rare front end for my car

 

IFO here...

Again, free entry was offered to you, just not in the order you demanded. You emailed us as a complete stranger wanting free entry in exchange for claiming to pass out flyers. Our flyers are limited and they aren't cheap. The only way to know if a stranger really passes them out is by assigning them a number. If they do the job right, their marked flyers come in and they make money which pays for their entry and then some. It's a simple exchange that everyone understands and knows is fair and reasonable. You did not get what you wanted, so you decided to boycott and resort to name calling, even though IFO is a great event (you even said so yourself). Other RX7 owners here have been to IFO and most all will agree it is a good show that gives everyone their money's worth. I sincerly hope the entire RX7 community will not boycott such a great event just because Phil did not get free entry the way he wanted (I want to see an Ls1 RX7 with Naws! lol). I doubt the RX7 community is that shallow and simple minded.

Every event, Nopi included, charges entry. If not for the spectator support, these events would never happen. Contrary to what some may believe, making a profit is an honorable accomplishment, especially when offering customers a fun time at a good price.

 

Let me point out couple of other things..

Ive been here on the forum for past 4 years.. Contributed well for the RX7 community.
You just fly around all the forums on the net and advertise your event. To make money. I'm not against your making money..

But depend on how you are set up with MMP, you are either paying in advance to the track or them getting per head. Either case, bringing those who help into the event for free shouldn't really make much difference. I do understand your logic of, "Well, they might not have done any work?" which is a logical but "CHEAP" thinking.. Just as you are calling me cheap, you are also being cheap and not trusting those who's helping you. As I explained via email, I'm not some young teen just wanting a free pass... I just don't want to deal with your way and hence I'm boycotting. Also, I feel that I'm fairly well connected around this neighborhood.

Serious, MMP holds alot more cars than those who came last year or year before. Last year, I was there for 2 hours. Didn't even bother to do the show. Just parked my car and saw few cars and people and left. I think you're missing the logic of carshow/race, if someone has a rare car that people like to see, you need to try to get that car in.. Just common business sense.. Seeing how popular RX7 (Especially FDs), it'll cost you less than 10 dollars for you to bring that car to the show.. Dumb if you think that bring well tune car will hurt your show and its not worth $10 or less??.. It only benefits! Think of this as a lesson for your future shows and such. Realize thatsomeone else's time is more valuable than others. And when help is offered and reasons are reasonable, you need to sacrifice small amount of money and think bigger. You help me, I help you. Why do you think I jumped and email you and said I would help??

Well, Good luck with your future venture. If you have an RX7 or any rotary cars, you are welcome to come to my event.. Its FREE!!! and I'll provide you with FREE lunch!! And you don't have to pass out flyers to come nor eat for FREE!! LOL!

 

If you thought my email was from a complete stranger, how did you know whom I was on this forum?? Also, didn't you just pull old threads from couple of years back??

First of all, Last year you did this same thing with the flyers.. and gave free entrance to those who passed around. After recieving your flyers, I passed them out at different events I'd attended. Later I read somewhere about having some numbers on the flyer for getting cash, I said, i don't care about the money so I don't need thge numbers... You even said that on earlier post.

This year, same as before, I don't care about some pocket change... Don't want to deal with it and I also don't want others to think that I'm trying to make money by passing them out. I'm not that kind of person. It would be nice for people to come and meet. But we could do that anywhere... FOR FREE!!

Seriously, you need to make exceptions based on who they are.. I'm sure right now you're thinking; "Damn! I should of just let him in and took a $10 hit".. If you are making $10 or more per person for this show.. WOW!! So, what, $3-5 hit?? Looking back, it it really worth it?? If you are a smart business person.. NO! Its not!

Good luck!

PHIL

 

/\ Because someone referred to you as Phil and I remember the email coming from Phillip Sohnn.

I agree with you on getting rare cars to the event and "making exceptions based on who they are". IFO and other shows do that all the time. However, as I said earlier, you emailed us as a complete stranger just asking for free entry up front, no mention of your RX7 or the forum. When we said no, you replied, "I'm not some teenager wanting to make few bucks!". Then I hear of a boycott on the RX7 forums. When Kellie told me I was like, WTF? Now that I understand who you are and what you have to offer, I'm sure we can give you the same deal as last year. Apparently you expected us to immediately remember you from years before. Please email me, HybridEntertainment78@yahoo.com Try to understand that no one will give a complete stranger something for free when the stranger just claims to help out in return. May I suggest giving some credentials in future emails when requesting freebies from anyone. Also, try not to go off the handle so easily, especailly when it's over a measly $15 Name calling and boycotting because you did not get what you feel you deserve is very unprofessional, even childesh.

 

Acturally, I've said all this on the emails I've send to CLIFF!.. I've acturally pointed out that I was part of the RX7 club, I was the president of Mazda Rotary Car Club of Alabama, I also mentioned that I organize one of the bigger RX gathering at Deals Gap, I also mentioned that I've helped out 2 two previous events, and also I sometimes write articles for RXtuner Magazine. I wouldn't just say I was "not a teen" for no reason?? Except someone who was replying to me insisted no exception is given... Hence, my boycott and lost respect for this event. Also, at this point, I no longer can attend. I have plans to travel that weekend.. If it changes.. Maybe..

 

/\ Apparently that was said in emails years before at the other events. You did not mention any of that in the original email this year (I'm looking at it now). All you mentioned was "I also write for the RX tuner magazine", but you said that AFTER we denied the free entry.

Better yet, if you want something, just pay and avoid looking like a cheap skate, especially when the product or service is worth it. Like I said before, large groups and car clubs come to these events all the time and everyone pays to support the event and the scene. No one ever emails asking for a free hand out because he or she is bringing in other people with him. I don't ask for free entry at a club when I bring people with me, I PAY. All of this could have been avoided otherwise.

 

Nice way to put things..

now you offer me free entrance.. then you say if I want something I should go ahead and pay for it?? Hmm.. Obviously, I don't really care for your show... As mentioned before, its not the money!! But obviously its about money to you! I'm I wrong about this?? What do you make per person who walks in.. $3, $5, $7, $10!?? For you that's not worth someone bringing a popular car or someone who's going to help??!! Also, maybe you need to keep track of people who helped you in the past... What you're saying now is, "I used them last year and year before and I don't care who they were.. I just need to make MONEY!". Last year, I thought you remembered me.. I guess I was wrong... If you want people to support your event, remember those who helped.. Key to success in any business..

 

Also, trying to make me look worse isn't going to help.. as I've done a TON of free stuff for MANY MANY other people. Last years deals gap event, I've spent my own money and 100+ hours of my personal free time.. It wasn't to make money and it was to HELP rotary owners together.. So, money isn't a problem.. get it??

 

Got it! You, a person we've never met, emailed wanting free entry up front, we said after. You got mad about it, started a "boycott" and resorted to name calling. We all get it now.

Don't think we "used you". What did we do to "use you"? We couldn't even remember you. We've never even met. Don't expect us to remember you by email name. We have events all over the country with hundreds of contacts and dozens of emails every day. You got your free entry last year, yet I don't remember seeing all the RX7s you were claiming to bring. Maybe that is why IFO staff offered to give you free passes after instead of before this year.

 

Still offering you free entry... That was just a suggestion for future potential misunderstandings. Again, "all of this could have been avoided otherwise".

 

Haha.. Yes, I got mad about it! One statement from someone whom you've never met said boycott and leads to this level. Hmm.. And a free entry that might cost you, what, $3,$5,$7, $10??? which also might not even make a difference except to have more 7's to show. Come on. Don't call me "Cheap Skate" and when you yourself can't even answer how much one person cost you to bring in?? Geez! Who's cheap now?? And all this because of someone you have never met?? is it worth your hassle and few bucks?? I'm just enjoying this. I personally don't give a damn what others think as I know people here who come to my event is thinking anything else but what I have provided for FREE! Give me a break, you guys are here just to make money and trying to say I'm cheap?? did you guys even read the earlier posts?? Did I not make sense and didn't you agree to what I said?? Its making you guys look even worse.. How could I be cheap when I refuse monetary compensation and proven to do the job for you in the past?? Like I said, I don't want to push some flyers for people and them knowing I'm making money?? did you not read that and can you not understand why?? Hence my statement of "I'm not a teen to make pocket change"?? I also provide a FREE event?? Also, I have to spend Gas and valuable time to attend your event?? which I'll spend more than what it cost for you to get me in??

I know why you are not answering my question as to how much it cost you to bring in one person. If its too much you guys are making a killer! If too little, it shows, you are the ones who are "cheap skates". And after all these 'misunderstandings' from someone you don't even know.. Hell, I don't care what you drive, you are welcome to attend our event and I'll provide you with nice FREE lunch!! We could meet and laugh about this whole thing! haha! Of course you would have to pay for Gas?? Is it worth it to you?? Free entry but pay for gas to come to my event?? And spend your valuable time?? You guys really into cars??

Answer all the questions above and I'll admit that "I'm cheap skate"...

 

Cliff Wallace here, director of IFO. Everything Adam and Kellie has said is correct. Phil wanted free entry up front, I denied it, he got upset and decided to boycott. I am the one who denied his up front free entry because of the claim he made last year. I have never met Phil, he is a complete stranger to me, but I still gave him two free passes last year after he said he would bring several RX7s to the show. IFO staff informed me that there were very few 7s present, so I did not give him the same offer as I did last year. I still offered him the free entry, just not up front. Phil was not able to get the free entry he thought he deserved so now he decides to start a boycott, even though he likes the event. IFO has done nothing wrong, only denied someone looking for a free hand out. No one called you a cheap skate, only suggested what should be done so you don't look like one. YOU were the one calling names by referring to Kellie as a "****".

I hope the RX7 community will not boycott this event just because Phil did not get a free pass after he tried asking for it... doesn't this seem like a lame reason to boycott a great event? IFO is a great show, and I guarantee all that attend will have a good time. Don't let one upset RX7 owner sway your opinion on a truly good time.

As for all the nonsense questions and rambling on why you think you should get free entry...

Our events cost anywhere between $12,000 to $18,000 to produce. We must charge to get in, otherwise there would be no event at all. Spectators and import fans gladly support these type events all year long. If it weren't for the support from the fans, the racers and show contestants would not have events with thousands in payouts to compete in.

 

Go get'em Phil, these folks are trying to make you look bad and keep making themselves look worse. They pulled the same thing on me last year in the south forum last year. Pretty rude to come on here and try to make upstanding members of the forum community look bad. Gee, keeping a debate going with a complete stranger who means nothing to them.

All they care about is getting some cash. Save your money folks and spend it with some true auto enthusiast rather than another bunch of folks out exploiting the ricer fade for their own profit.

Jack