Rtek Rtek 2.0 Official Update Thread :)
11-02-07, 11:31 PM
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Well all I can say is I'm planning to have my car tunned in Januaryish. (I have to drive 4 hours to the nearest rotary shop with a dyno 
I wish somebody would open a shop in eastern NC because there's NOTHING here) I've already decided if the 2.1 isn't out (and maybe even if it is), I'm gonna pick up a used microtech or haltech here on the forum and have that put in and tuned.
I wish somebody would open a shop in eastern NC because there's NOTHING here) I've already decided if the 2.1 isn't out (and maybe even if it is), I'm gonna pick up a used microtech or haltech here on the forum and have that put in and tuned.
11-03-07, 08:29 PM
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yea...that's kinda why I'm leaning towards selling...thought 2.1 was going to be out in Q2...and then maybe AFM removal and other stuff by end of year or beginning of 2008...but now we'll be lucky if we get the 2.1 by 08.
11-04-07, 01:03 AM
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so if they can change all kinda of inputs i.e. atp-egr to be something else then why cant you change afm to a map?
im just asking.. i dont know the process behind doing all this.
im just asking.. i dont know the process behind doing all this.
11-04-07, 01:07 AM
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because the majority of us are running bigger turbos that push the afm to the max
do this to the afm
11-04-07, 06:05 PM
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Man I think we have all been pretty damn patient so far. My car has been hung up by this "EMS" for a long time now and I think everyone is losing their patience from the general mood of the thread now.
I agree with everyone else on the AFM, it's pointless to use for any car running anything more aggressive than a close to stock setup & it doesn't belong on this EMS any longer.
Lets just get rid of the AFM fix the stumble and change the load map to a boost map and release the thing, please.
Can we get some REAL information on what is going on please?
I agree with everyone else on the AFM, it's pointless to use for any car running anything more aggressive than a close to stock setup & it doesn't belong on this EMS any longer.
Lets just get rid of the AFM fix the stumble and change the load map to a boost map and release the thing, please.
Can we get some REAL information on what is going on please?
11-04-07, 06:42 PM
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Well heres some "real" information.
Many of you already know the rtek products are the results of the work of Henrik (ECU) and myself (palm software).
While I wish it were different, we don't sell enough Rteks for this to be a full time thing for both of us. I know the 2.1 has been a long time coming and it would have been sooner if it wasn't for my decision to tackle the stumble issue before we released it. We did this because *you* (collectively) made it clear that it was an important issue to resolve.
I realize things are taking longer than we want and certainly longer than you want. At this point there is no way we are adding any more options before release. We are doing the best we can to get these products out (bug free). I know some of you are jumping ship...I understand and I apologize it didn't work out for you.
I know Henrik said he was going to be going over final checks this weekend. You'll have more when I know more.
Many of you already know the rtek products are the results of the work of Henrik (ECU) and myself (palm software).
While I wish it were different, we don't sell enough Rteks for this to be a full time thing for both of us. I know the 2.1 has been a long time coming and it would have been sooner if it wasn't for my decision to tackle the stumble issue before we released it. We did this because *you* (collectively) made it clear that it was an important issue to resolve.
I realize things are taking longer than we want and certainly longer than you want. At this point there is no way we are adding any more options before release. We are doing the best we can to get these products out (bug free). I know some of you are jumping ship...I understand and I apologize it didn't work out for you.
I know Henrik said he was going to be going over final checks this weekend. You'll have more when I know more.
11-04-07, 09:29 PM
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Thanks for the laugh.
I find it amusing that you, and everyone else here think it's that simple. Disassemble some ECU firmware sometime and then come back and say that.
I have a very high amount of respect for the effort that Henrik and Mike has put in to making the undesirable stock ECU into something capable and simple to use for many of the members of this community. Being a former Rtek 1.7 owner, and working with Mike directly to help test the stumble fixes, I can vouch f how hard DTI is working to serve their customers.
I find it amusing that you, and everyone else here think it's that simple. Disassemble some ECU firmware sometime and then come back and say that.
I have a very high amount of respect for the effort that Henrik and Mike has put in to making the undesirable stock ECU into something capable and simple to use for many of the members of this community. Being a former Rtek 1.7 owner, and working with Mike directly to help test the stumble fixes, I can vouch f how hard DTI is working to serve their customers.
11-04-07, 10:26 PM
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Actually I got a chuckle from this:
Read up on the difference between mas air systems and speed density systems. Typically the decision to have a particular ECU use a speed density or mass air type system is done before they even start designing the ECU. Its the 'heart' of the engine management. Everything is designed around that fact. So to change the type of system after the fact is no trivial task at all.
so if they can change all kinda of inputs i.e. atp-egr to be something else then why cant you change afm to a map?
11-04-07, 10:40 PM
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[QUOTE=boost_its_what_for_dinner;7480357]so if they can change all kinda of inputs i.e. atp-egr to be something else then why cant you change afm to a map?
im just asking.. i dont know the process behind doing all this.[/QUOTE]
so did you read that ^^^^^^^^^^^^
i said i dont know what it all takes to do that
im just asking.. i dont know the process behind doing all this.[/QUOTE]
so did you read that ^^^^^^^^^^^^
i said i dont know what it all takes to do that
11-05-07, 12:35 AM
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Thanks for the laugh.
I find it amusing that you, and everyone else here think it's that simple. Disassemble some ECU firmware sometime and then come back and say that.
I have a very high amount of respect for the effort that Henrik and Mike has put in to making the undesirable stock ECU into something capable and simple to use for many of the members of this community. Being a former Rtek 1.7 owner, and working with Mike directly to help test the stumble fixes, I can vouch f how hard DTI is working to serve their customers.
I find it amusing that you, and everyone else here think it's that simple. Disassemble some ECU firmware sometime and then come back and say that.
I have a very high amount of respect for the effort that Henrik and Mike has put in to making the undesirable stock ECU into something capable and simple to use for many of the members of this community. Being a former Rtek 1.7 owner, and working with Mike directly to help test the stumble fixes, I can vouch f how hard DTI is working to serve their customers.
11-05-07, 07:44 AM
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Might I add something?
I'm just speaking from experience and a business mind. MOST PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IS RTEK or that it exist! I've seen an AD maybe a hand full of times in the Advertising bar on the top of the page. I hardly ever see you in any other section. You don't have an adverting in your sig, a webpage, or anything.
There are no group buys, no specials, no pictures of cars with rtek installed, I haven't seen video of cars and all theses are keys to letting people know that this product exist.
Once again im speaking from my point of view.
Maybe RX7club.com doesn't allow you to do that.
Because no one is going to buy something that doesn't work. We understand that it is not the fault of RTEK. Well hell, if its the fault of the ECU don't you think that is information that shoud have been shared on the 2nd gen forum. Do you know how many people have dumped thousand of dollars into their 7 and it could have been a simple glitch? Of course we wanted the stumble fix its a deal breaker....to most.
But is RTEK concerned...I know you have other products for dsm which has a larger cast of hobbiest, but I and other people simply have not drove their cars for months with anticaption of a fix and 2.1. People are jumping ship cause they feel abandon.
People who want to get the AFM delete just have to simply wait since Rtek just got around to the stumble fix. It wasn't there intention from the start to be a full management system. I don't think megasquirt and microtech was design in a couple of months.
I don't think the rotary community wants you to give-up your lives for us
But I think the information could have been a lot more direct. I was really hoping I was going to buy the 2.1 as of Oct. now its just up in the air.
Hopefully, you can accept this as constructive feed back and not take it to heart or as a direct attack.
Many of us understand the hard work pocketlogger has provided. I simply hope Rtek is more sucessful. I recommend better advertising...even when "DIY-13bre" came out it found its was to the United States.
While I wish it were different, we don't sell enough Rteks for this to be a full time thing for both of us.
There are no group buys, no specials, no pictures of cars with rtek installed, I haven't seen video of cars and all theses are keys to letting people know that this product exist.
Once again im speaking from my point of view.
Maybe RX7club.com doesn't allow you to do that.
I know the 2.1 has been a long time coming and it would have been sooner if it wasn't for my decision to tackle the stumble issue before we released it. We did this because *you* (collectively) made it clear that it was an important issue to resolve.
Because no one is going to buy something that doesn't work. We understand that it is not the fault of RTEK. Well hell, if its the fault of the ECU don't you think that is information that shoud have been shared on the 2nd gen forum. Do you know how many people have dumped thousand of dollars into their 7 and it could have been a simple glitch? Of course we wanted the stumble fix its a deal breaker....to most.
I realize things are taking longer than we want and certainly longer than you want. At this point there is no way we are adding any more options before release. We are doing the best we can to get these products out (bug free). I know some of you are jumping ship..
People who want to get the AFM delete just have to simply wait since Rtek just got around to the stumble fix. It wasn't there intention from the start to be a full management system. I don't think megasquirt and microtech was design in a couple of months.
While I wish it were different, we don't sell enough Rteks for this to be a full time thing for both of us.
But I think the information could have been a lot more direct. I was really hoping I was going to buy the 2.1 as of Oct. now its just up in the air.
Hopefully, you can accept this as constructive feed back and not take it to heart or as a direct attack.
Many of us understand the hard work pocketlogger has provided. I simply hope Rtek is more sucessful. I recommend better advertising...even when "DIY-13bre" came out it found its was to the United States.
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11-05-07, 10:02 AM
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There are no group buys, no specials, no pictures of cars with rtek installed, I haven't seen video of cars and all theses are keys to letting people know that this product exist.
Well hell, if its the fault of the ECU don't you think that is information that shoud have been shared on the 2nd gen forum. Do you know how many people have dumped thousand of dollars into their 7 and it could have been a simple glitch? Of course we wanted the stumble fix its a deal breaker....to most.
But is RTEK concerned...I know you have other products for dsm which has a larger cast of hobbiest, but I and other people simply have not drove their cars for months with anticaption of a fix and 2.1. People are jumping ship cause they feel abandon.
But I think the information could have been a lot more direct. I was really hoping I was going to buy the 2.1 as of Oct. now its just up in the air.
Hopefully, you can accept this as constructive feed back and not take it to heart or as a direct attack.
11-05-07, 10:29 AM
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im just a outside view of all this but if i made 3 other ecus that had limits.. i.e. injectors and afm and the other b.s., i would focus on making a less limited option. i.e. afm gone,and what other options some have expressed
this is just another view of mine... if the afm is /was removed and you made ads saying that... you could easily sell that system for 500 bucks and people would buy it due to 2/3rds or less of the cost of a full ems, the afm removal would bring alot of people to the rtek side.
all we need form you guys is to talk to us. were not little children.. we just need to not be in the dark for long periods of time.
if and when you guys finish the 2.1 and get the afm removed later, ill have no problem supporting you guys when i make videos and dyno runs and other thing that show off the performance. i do already though but everyone asks if this is a standalone then why dont you have a map sensor or a laptop and i have to explain 100 times what the rtek does.
11-05-07, 07:57 PM
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I'm wondering why every one so upset. Yes it has been quite a while since the update was stated as being on the way, BUT, do to several posts about the 3800 hesitation, they decided to make it a part of the 2.1 update. If you read the posts about this they are fixing a problem that Alot of FC owners have. Would I have prefered that they relesed the 2.1 first and then done the hesitation fix? Yes but they didn't and thats just the way it worked out. The hesitation fix is just a "bonus" at this point I guess.
I guess that I am lucky as the only real thing that i 'need' the 2.1 for is the hot start options. I am very excited about this as I can finally get rid of that damn switch that I always forget to hit that kills the starter input.
I bought this ECU with the understanding that it would do the following for me.
1. let me use 4x720s
2. Adjust the fuel and timing
3. Monitor my wideband.
Everything else the 2.0 did was just a bonus, the FCD, error and i/o checking all that stuff is just a plus for me. When they mentioned the posibilty of adjusting the cranking fuel I was pleased as hell. That was quite a while ago, but hey I didn't buy the damn thing to do that so again its just a bonus.
Whey I got my 91 turbo last year, I already knew that I would have to wait quite a while befor they got to doing the ECU for it they still hadn't released the s4 and s5 N/A then. I looked into geting a power FC for it. I finally decided against it because I think that the Rtek will do the same damn job and more. I would still have to buy a datallogit to get to see my data and even then I can't connect my wideband. So even though the PowerFC was available to me, I'm still just going to wait for the Rtek.
If you guys want a stand alon get a damn stand alone I may or may not get one in a few years when i can get rid of all of my emmisions. But for now my Rtek works great.
I guess that I am lucky as the only real thing that i 'need' the 2.1 for is the hot start options. I am very excited about this as I can finally get rid of that damn switch that I always forget to hit that kills the starter input.
I bought this ECU with the understanding that it would do the following for me.
1. let me use 4x720s
2. Adjust the fuel and timing
3. Monitor my wideband.
Everything else the 2.0 did was just a bonus, the FCD, error and i/o checking all that stuff is just a plus for me. When they mentioned the posibilty of adjusting the cranking fuel I was pleased as hell. That was quite a while ago, but hey I didn't buy the damn thing to do that so again its just a bonus.
Whey I got my 91 turbo last year, I already knew that I would have to wait quite a while befor they got to doing the ECU for it they still hadn't released the s4 and s5 N/A then. I looked into geting a power FC for it. I finally decided against it because I think that the Rtek will do the same damn job and more. I would still have to buy a datallogit to get to see my data and even then I can't connect my wideband. So even though the PowerFC was available to me, I'm still just going to wait for the Rtek.
If you guys want a stand alon get a damn stand alone I may or may not get one in a few years when i can get rid of all of my emmisions. But for now my Rtek works great.
11-05-07, 08:02 PM
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Look gross polluter guy, I have been one of the ones at the front of testing this product for free. I would advise you not to come in here a the last minute and bad mouth people on matters you are not well informed on (I know you haven't read all my posts that are part of the foundation of the knowledge base for this product. I am the one who gave a great deal of data logging showing the restrictions of a load based map and suggested it be a boost based.
If this guy is in any way related with your company I would caution him from making your company look unprofessional.
My issue is simple. I bought a product under the impression that the Rtek was "Suitible for moderately to heavily modded RX7s. For the ultimate in flexability. Full fuel and timing control* with datalogging." Thats straight from your website.
Point blank is it is not suitable for anything above very light mods in it's current state, period. You did no testing on heavily modded cars before you sold a product to us. You sold an incomplete product and we just want it fixed so we can drive our cars. Please don't blame us for pressing you for a release date because this should have been included with it's initial release.
Thank you
Ed
If this guy is in any way related with your company I would caution him from making your company look unprofessional.
My issue is simple. I bought a product under the impression that the Rtek was "Suitible for moderately to heavily modded RX7s. For the ultimate in flexability. Full fuel and timing control* with datalogging." Thats straight from your website.
Point blank is it is not suitable for anything above very light mods in it's current state, period. You did no testing on heavily modded cars before you sold a product to us. You sold an incomplete product and we just want it fixed so we can drive our cars. Please don't blame us for pressing you for a release date because this should have been included with it's initial release.
Thank you
Ed
11-05-07, 08:29 PM
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If this guy is in any way related with your company I would caution him from making your company look unprofessional.
Yeah, hes related to DTI, he provided extensive feedback on several versions of the stumble fix that we sent him for testing. And I assure you, he has more in depth knowledge of the ECU's inner workings than you and probably 99% of the people on this board (including yourself). If thats "unprofessional" in your eyes, then there isn't much I can do. Ed, you aren't the only one that provides feedback for us. You aren't the only one who's ideas we implement. Just because we don't post it here doesn't mean it didn't happen. We appreciate your ideas but don't get all high and mighty on us.
Ed, to be honest, if you aren't happy with the product, then return it. If it's not suitable for your needs, move to something that will be. If you bought an AFC, and you needed something more, would you complain to APEX how they sold a product that didn't fit your needs or look for another product? DTI is a special case because unlike APEX, we are here with our ears open trying to help you guys and bring you what you need. But I ask, please don't abuse us for it.
Now, can I get back to coding?