muythaibxr

The MS has only had full rotary support since Aug. I should know... I wrote the ignition code that fixed trailing ignition. It had code before that but there were problems. Recently I added code that gets rid of the staged-injection stutter once and for all....

I wouldn't call it lacking either. It has many of the same features as ECUs costing 2-4x as much. But that's for a different thread Also, since it's open-source, if there's a feature that you want, all you have to do is ask.

bigdv519

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I really shouldn't be the one having to explain this to you now should I???

RTEK7 2.0 is a RE-programable ECU.
The Neptune is also a RE-programable ECU.

The Neptunes advantage is that more people are trying to make power with Honda's these days. Plenty more people. More funds. And more guinea pigs. The RTEK7 2.0 is still in the early stage as compared to the Neptune.

I'm sure with more time, the RTEK7 will gain more control, over the availiable version, and ultimately the need for a FULL standalone on a 13B motor will dwindle to "almost" nothing. (Now I know, for a 1200hp Honda, these guys use full standalones, but there are a handful of folks using the Neptune system, which is a RE-programable ECU, to make 700+hp) I'm also sure that the price will increase as the RTEK7 progresses, as did the Neptune. This whole cycle already happened years ago...but I assumed you knew.

RETed

There's an *800*hp Autronic B18C down here.
Does this mean we should go Autronic?

Dude, you should listen to yourself talk - you're not making any sense.

You're comparing ECU's that are just about 10 years apart...where there was a huge jump in technology.

Are you implying the stock FC ECU can do everything a Honda ECU can?
THINK ABOUT IT.


You're smoking good crack.
The engine management control is only as good as the stock ECU is.
The stock ECU resolution is poor at best.
You're just overlaying a higher resolution correction "map" over it.
There are limits to such applications.
It's just a fancy S-AFC, and you just don't get it.


-Ted

Mindspin311

Are you two married?

88rxn/a

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could we please stop the knowledge war and discuss how this will benefit people like me

Carzy Driver

Has anyone ordered one yet?

AUGieDogie

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I ordered one one weds. and shipped it off on thurs. Im very excited about it. I figure it should work perfectly for me.

88rxn/a

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nice!!
can ya take a couple pics. of the ecu so we can see where the jakcs/plugs that are installed at and how they did it?? for the palm pilot jack of course.. isnt there another jack for a wideband and such also???
im curious as to how it is done..

turbo2ltr

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We drill a hole in the side of the ECU and a 3 foot cable terminated with a DB9 comes out. Nothing much to look at. No jack for a wideband. You wire that to the stock ATP sensor wire.

88rxn/a

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i see, i was just interested as to how it was done.

bigdv519

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No.

I am making plenty of sense actually. I said that the RTEK7 is raising the limits of the stock ECU. It will continue to raise the limits with newer versions. These limits are now in the range where only a full standalone was the only option.

Nope

Again, be a little more mature with your comments.

It is much more than just a "fancy S-AFC". But in the S-AFC's defense, the S-AFC does allow a very user friendly format for slight tuning. Definitly a level up from a completely stock ECU. The S-AFC rose the limits of the stock ECU. As has the RTEK7. The difference here is that the RTEK7 has continued to raise the limits.

My closing statment since so many are just tired of my futal explanation: Once there was a RX-7 owner that wanted 350 hp. He used to have to spend +$1500 on a great system that allows control of every aspect of tuning. He would have to pay someone to install it, if there was a person within his area. Then pay for tuning of the system.

Now he can buy a system, plug it in himself, and have a beginnner level of tuning that suits him well, and, for at least a third of the cost, nearly no install time, 3 days of down time, and a warranty on the unit.

In the end, he saves money, time, and hassle for his hp goal. Can we agree on that???

RETed

No, I don't agree to that.
"You're only as strong as the weakest link in the chain."
What the RTEK does is allow the stock ECU to be more flexible - that's it.
The stock ECU limits cannot be changed - resolution is set / maximum limits cannot be easily changed / additional inputs and outputs cannot easily be changed.


I don't agree with this either.
Owners have been blowing up their engines with way less power.
This gives them one more way to blowing up their cars.
You make it sound so trivial and making "350 hp", when in actuality it isn't.
I'm still waiting for an explanation on how you tune ignition timing "with just a wideband"?
Having adjustability like this is a Pandora's Box - not everything is going to be good.

BTW, people have been making 350hp+ without an RTEK for years.
John D. has done it with a PFC F-CON + AIC and made over 400hp with the stock ECU.
AIC's have been proven to work, although very old tech.

Again, it all comes down to the tune.
Ignoring the abilities is the "tuner" is something that is going to bite you in the ***.
Think about it.


-Ted

turbo2ltr

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Arguing on the internet is li....

Oh nevermind.

bigdv519

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You are absolutly correct. I overlooked the actual tuner himself. The RTEK7 IS another way to blow engines, but it is also another way to make power above stock levels, with a proper tune.

As for John D, I'm not sure whether he used the F-CON and AIC just to be different or not, because IIRC, the F-CON plus AIC cost a pretty penny too. The RTEK7, with some type of proper tune, could actually make power, and, OMG, save money. Saving money doesn't always mean cheap.

SonicRaT

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Some type of proper tune will cost you money, probably the same as if you paid someone to tune your megasquirt, which would result in very similar prices, with the end result being a higher 'level' of ECU ability with the megasquirt.

But anyway, as has been said there are benefits:

A) god awful easy to install/no need to wire anything
B) retains stock emissions crap/everything else
C) limited ability to change options (as this makes it easier and less intimidating on n00bs), however, this is also a con at the same time

Other than that, everything else is kind of arguable.

usmcjsy

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So does this offer a "auto tune" feature with the wideband..? Well seems like a good deal for what I am running the only real drawback for me is the AFM still has to be used. Also so this will only allow me to add or subtract a max of 15% fuel? I guess I am adding between 10%and 20% with the SAFC depending on temp up here in the north. So 15% may not cut it and I am afraid adding bigger injectors than the 720s in the the primaries may be to much fuel when not under boost. Otherwise this seems like a good bang for the buck system. I am just gonna sit back a few months and watch how this pans out for people.

88rxn/a

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im wondering about 15% also??? is that really gonna be enough??

driftin8ez

good read... Bump for a little old S5 guy wanting an rtek chip. Anyone know anything about when they are coming out?

Mindspin311

Probably NEVER

winter39

Does anyone know what happens to the rtek program if your battery dies? Do you revert to the base map or is ther some sort of backup / memory that does not dump?

hondahater

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Damn some people are just afraid of new stuff i guess. I think the rtek chips are freakin' cool as ****. Yes some stock harness that have been abused look like **** and sometimes even act like **** but it's no fault of rtek. When my harness was actually fine I ran the 1.7 and liked the fact it was retarding my timing above what the stock timing map did. I also liked the fact I could stick some 720's up in that bitch and it wouldn't get stupid rich and cause all sorts of hesitation problems, i also liked the fact I could stomp down the pedal when my rotary flooded and it would cut fuel like on s5's, I also like the fact that it reduced the 3800rpm secondary cut on to 3500 and avoided leaning out my 550's before the 720's came on line. All that stuff and more for what 125 bucks, lol that’s nothing and is worth every penny. Now for the 2.0 that is out! All the same great features of the 1.7 but now with a fuel control so I an get rid of that god awful safc, it controls timing witch we all know the stock ecu only adjusts timing to 9psi and who only runs 9psi? This thing also data logs what was it?? Something like 9 different engine components all at once and to say the least on a very very very cheap piece of equipment that anyone can afford. Now the down side for fc owners, it's more expensive than what we would normally spend so of course now there is all these discrepancies but what we are missing is that this thing is cheaper than any of the alternatives even with the cost of a pro to tune it. Sonic you know I love ya man but 9.5 out of 10 people aren't going to get there mt for 100 bucks (bastard ) If you want to know the price of a microtech for those that are thinking of going this route it cost me 700 for everything including already cut harness, laptop adapter and the ecu. This was a good deal and most will find it for around the same or upwards of 900 to 1k. so right there you are way past the 400 plus 30 for a pda. After that you have to either have a laptop or buy one witch of course is not cheap unless you get a cheap old lapy witch lets say is 200 bucks. There is also a hand controller you can get for it instead of the laptop but that’s an extra 100 as well. so now you are at lets just say 900-1100 bucks then you have to get it tuned just like the rtek so both go up from there depending on how much your tuner charges. I think for 400 bucks plus the 30 for a pda and the cash for the tuner this is a sweet deal and love the fact there is someone out there making cool new **** for our cars! I would like to see the afm gone and they are working on it but common most of the people that are getting this these rtek chips are probably not going to max the afm out so why is this such a big deal?? maybe cause people think it's cool not to have it and it looks cool etc..... but the fact of the mater is to max out the afm would require upwards of 350-400hp witch lets face it most of the people on here are not pushing that kind of power. I will say however I would get a pro to tune this thing as it has great potential and the average joe will not see half the potential by tuning it themselves and also could cause major damage to your engine from doing the wrong thing just like any standalone system.


edit: my religion is against paragraphs and grammar, sorry guys nothing I can do

SonicRaT

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that's not a good deal. Two microtechs for $200 is a good deal.

hondahater

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damnit, everyone else always gets the good deals! If you can find a microtech for 100 bucks or two for 200 then jump on it of course! I think henrick would even do the same

Carzy Driver

if the afm was something like which dodge or gm uses, the thin wire type meters, then they would be no issue with them. I understand that alot of air could pass through there, but it's still a PITA to route a CAI or FMIC while having to intergrate this 7" long meter that must remain somewhat level. I like the idea of all of the RTek chips being very affordable and easily tuned.

Mindspin311

hotwire MAF is the best