well its in the mid of the 3rd Q, is it going to make it out before 4th Q gets here?? we havent heard anything from the beta testers. hopfuly the lack of noise about it is a good thing. is there going to be any suprises about it? whats the upgrade price? whats the nonupgrade price?will it fix this?can I run that?will the buyer pool loose another 20 buyers to the incresingly avalible other options? can it compete price and performance with the getting better ms set up? who knows but lets at least hear some excitment for those that have been waiting.