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Old 11-30-10, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by RoTaRyBoYz
Jay, when you see a car like Paul Major's Vette in person, you might probably think twice about a Rotary

I know I did

Bro, you don't have to convince me piston engines are powerful and all that. I work on Mercedes v12 twin turbo engines all day long and just got back from the NHRA finals in Pomona. I have respect for all engines, but the rotary has a special place in my heart. To me no piston engine in the world can compare to the little tiny rotary engine that can make so much power on mostly stock parts. How can you beat that?

What is more impressive. A Big cubic inch v8 whatever running 6;s or a 1.3liter rotary?

Lock it up this case is closed!
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i think there is too much sand being crated in this thread and its got into some vaginas , in the end fellas its no real biggie that enzo has decided to race a piston motor, at least hes drag racing still and not drifting And to his credit hes still racing a rota in another chassis and double to his credit for what hes done with a irs stock chassis fc .
I think it looks like we have mostly said our points and no one is going to change our own thoughts , so lets not get all sandy with each other and just call it a day

This is a rota section though so anyone talking up pistons is gonna get a heated response but its all good fun to me i think ..
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Originally Posted by beefcake
i think there is too much sand being crated in this thread and its got into some vaginas , in the end fellas its no real biggie that enzo has decided to race a piston motor, at least hes drag racing still and not drifting And to his credit hes still racing a rota in another chassis and double to his credit for what hes done with a irs stock chassis fc .
I think it looks like we have mostly said our points and no one is going to change our own thoughts , so lets not get all sandy with each other and just call it a day

This is a rota section though so anyone talking up pistons is gonna get a heated response but its all good fun to me i think ..

Well said. And at least he's still talking a Mazda engine.
Old 12-01-10, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ErnieT
The all mighty reliable piston motor...a 2JZ no less...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRvhsTgOS8Q

That and about 10 other all mighty 2JZ powered piston cars all blew up at MIR for Import vs Domestics this year, including the 2JZ pwred S2000. SO much for that reliability theory.

And the whole "I have a heavy foot" theory...please. We ain't goin for a sunday stroll down the drag strip.

Reliable piston motor in RX7 vid......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sYApXA1wd4
the Supras motor didnt blow up... it was nitrous backfire and caused the intake to break... got it welded and still ran a 8.05 and a 1.23 60 ft with a nitrous solenoid that failed at launch... guys local to us..
Old 12-01-10, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDriver216
the Supras motor didnt blow up... it was nitrous backfire and caused the intake to break... got it welded and still ran a 8.05 and a 1.23 60 ft with a nitrous solenoid that failed at launch... guys local to us..
Whats the excuse for the other 8 other all mighty Supras? My point was they break as much as any other car. Once your that fast, **** breaks. Plain and simple. And the rotary is cheaper to maintain than a piston engine any day.
Old 12-01-10, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ErnieT
And the rotary is cheaper to maintain than a piston engine any day.
that depends. If you threw it together with junk or used parts maybe. But replacing it with new parts I beg to differ.. and parts to seem to become harder and harder to get..
Old 12-01-10, 05:04 PM
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You only need brand new parts if blow the motor by detonation. If your using Roans seals for instance, you'll warp prior to breaking, thus saving your irons and housings, making it very cheap to rebuild.
Old 12-01-10, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ErnieT
Whats the excuse for the other 8 other all mighty Supras? My point was they break as much as any other car. Once your that fast, **** breaks.
I heard the RAW s2k and SRT Is300 both had motor issues. But other than that, most of the 2j cars were breaking rears or had trans issues, not motor issues.... O yeah, and that one guy ran into the wall, lol.

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Old 12-01-10, 05:49 PM
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we know all the stories about stock motors with very impressive HP

we know motors built with all the best porting, pinning, new parts, etc with impressive HP

and we know of motors built with what was left after they swept the shop floor with impressive HP

thing in common- they all blow up

so is there a black and white, right and wrong answer as to what people should be building and racing?
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Originally Posted by Rob XX 7
we know all the stories about stock motors with very impressive HP

we know motors built with all the best porting, pinning, new parts, etc with impressive HP

and we know of motors built with what was left after they swept the shop floor with impressive HP

thing in common- they all blow up

so is there a black and white, right and wrong answer as to what people should be building and racing?
All your statments are true, but which one lasts longer The one with the pinning, new parts, clearanced correctly and the 2 piece shaft And the most important part, a good tune.
Old 12-01-10, 08:21 PM
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Paul Major's Vette 6.74 @ 223 <~~~~~~ 7.0 litters 8 cylinder engine<~~~~ nothing new

La Otra 6.84 @ 201 <~~~~~ 1.3 litters rotary engine.<~~~ wow impressive

give me a brake man..Its a rotary forum news like this (enzo+pistons) are not taken lightly here.

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People are passionate about that which they love. Enzo should be honoured that this has carried on for 5 pages of bickering.
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OK its time for ***** to smash on , whos first , ive got me gloves ready
Old 12-02-10, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by MOBEONER
Paul Major's Vette 6.74 @ 223 <~~~~~~ 7.0 litters 8 cylinder engine<~~~~ nothing new

La Otra 6.84 @ 201 <~~~~~ 1.3 litters 4 cylinder engine.<~~~ wow impressive

give me a brake man..Its a rotary forum news like this (enzo+pistons) are not taken lightly here.
1.3 litre rotary engine
Old 12-02-10, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by rotorholic
1.3 litre rotary engine

Yeah I Know but I couldn't edit my post because I logged off my PC... too bad I don't have MODERATOR power

Ernie come on man, fix my last post before they start messing with me haha
Old 12-02-10, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by MOBEONER
Yeah I Know but I couldn't edit my post because I logged off my PC... too bad I don't have MODERATOR power

Ernie come on man, fix my last post before they start messing with me haha
Tooooooo late......... what are you thinking man? You need to wash your mouth out with liquid plumber to clean the piston out of you.
Old 12-03-10, 04:30 PM
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Sorry, couldn't resist............

http://www.break.com/index/superchar...-blows-1962313
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^^^something sounded funny with that pony from the very beginning, I am surprised they kept pushing it..
Old 12-07-10, 06:48 PM
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i was looking forward to next year for a battle between timemachines and enzo racing but i guess not i have love for all types of racing and engines, what impresses me most ofcourse is a rotary for lifeee! i have 4 2nd gen rx7s, yes im a hoarder and i would never never never ever put a piston engine in my rotary chasis and go racing. if you want to race a piston engine do it in a piston chasis. best of luck
Old 12-08-10, 07:34 PM
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Just because I'm not a rotary fan boy, it doesn't mean I don't like them. I still like the rotary, it's cool......... but I'm a car guy, I like them all... I don't discriminate
Old 12-08-10, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Viking War Hammer
Just because I'm not a rotary fan boy, it doesn't mean I don't like them. I still like the rotary, it's cool......... but I'm a car guy, I like them all... I don't discriminate
That's cool too but remember where you are. You are on a rotary drag racing forum. Not too many people these parts want to hear how great you think the piston engine is. You can go over to hundreds of piston forums for that. Let's talk about how great the rotary engine is ok.
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Originally Posted by ultimatejay
Just from this quote "The rotary isn't close to anything piston", shows your intellect.

Like I said before you can't compare a 600 cubic inch twin turbo v8 engine vs a 1.3liter turbo rotary.
Originally Posted by ultimatejay
I beat v8 piston race cars all day long at my track with my little 12a...... no competition eh?? Rotary cars compete with piston cars all the time and do very well.
huh? you're the one that started the comparison with v8s. then when you lose the argument, you turn around and say they can't be compared. lol.
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why are you arguing with a dedicated rotary drag racer in a dedicated rotary drag racing sub forum, on one of the worlds biggest and best rotary related internet forums
seems to me people get upset to hear someone sticking up for the rotary cause , we all know enzo is a rotary king and will always be, so even when enzo posts up some piston talk you gotta expect a bit of rota passion to evolve in this thread

CARN THE ROTAS

If you look into some of my threads you'll find me also taking about piston drag cars , if people decide to slap talk me back, then so be it, they have all right to around hear
Old 12-13-10, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by fdracer
huh? you're the one that started the comparison with v8s. then when you lose the argument, you turn around and say they can't be compared. lol.
Try reading more than just one page dude. I said you can't compare a 1.3 liter rotary to a big block v8 engine. And what argument did I exactly lose because I can't recall any. Why don't you go over to the engine swap forum because you obviously have no part here. bye bye.
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dude you're the one that started the comparison to v8's. now to satisfy your argument, you have to place qualifiers on everything?

in your post you indicated you beat v8 piston race cars all day long. that is called a comparison. you are comparing your 12a to v8's. when you say "v8 piston race cars" that includes all forms of v8's including big and small block.

you can string a list of caveats a mile long to make it seem like your car and rotary's in general are the greatest thing since sliced bread.


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