ultimatejay

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That's very interesting because he told me quite the opposite. He told me the billet plates were lighter, stronger and could handle more boost were the iron plate failed. I'm pretty sure they didn't spend all that money and time designing a billet plate soley for having more parts availability.

RoTaRyBoYz

My bad, I ment GEORGE, not Rocky...

I'm sure the billet plate is far superior than a factory plate, but what I'm saying is at the current power levels, they never had issues with the stock plate. The car was down around 300hp on the record run
Everyone keeps mentioning the Billet plate as being responsible (partly or solely) for their time & consistency, but I'm telling you that's not the case. I can see the billet plate being added safety for those 1700hp runs

I got my information during a 45min "brain picking" conversation with George from PAC.. We talked about the intake manifold, boost levels and HP numbers etc.

I guess you ever herd of filled stock plates..

RoTaRyBoYz

Nayelis ran his second 7.09 at a NHRA event in English town.... Being under weight was an issue 10 years ago, not now. Not to long ago, a car was DQ in Salinas because he didn't go to the scales.

ps. Abel's 209 mph run was done at night in Vegas

ultimatejay

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Ok then let me ask you a question. What contributing factors allow the Pac crew to run more consistant 6 passes than Siguel or Abel or any other 20b in the world? Is it their chassis- no, Is it that they are better tuners- I don't think so. Is it money-No. So then what it is? I would have to say parts technology and that they have stuck with it longer. What do you think?

RoTaRyBoYz

More hooks in the water increases your chances of being successful and landing the big one.

PAC has a few cars running 20b's in different classes under various conditions. How is that beneficial to their success? Simple! They have the ability to track down & FIX different problems simultaneously, therefore putting them at a better position compared to the other guys.

Loquito just did 7.30 with Tardy.. Tardy is a low budget 3/4 chassis starlet without all the bells & whistles and he was able to run that time after only a handful of passes. Had Loquito not been playing around with several 1000hp 13b's simultaneously, do you think he would have been able to work out the bugs and run that time in less than 8 passes?

PAC has a newer, more updated chassis than both Siguel & Abel, so I'm sure it contributed to their success.

Maybe you have some sort of inside information or maybe you've seen the datalogs from Rocky, Abel & Siguel to make that assumption, but their times speak for them self. They have the world's fastest Rx3 (7.04) and the world's fastest 20b, so it clearly show's they are more than capable of building & tuning a fast car.

ultimatejay

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Pac was running consistant 6's with their old mx6 chassis long before the American chassis. I do believe this new chassis was a major part in them getting to the 6.75, but I also believe that the center billet plate, and who knows what else they got that no one knows about, played a key factor in it too. Remember the engine needs to stay together in order to be consistant too, not just the chassis tuning and driving. I highly doubt George is going to tell you or anyone else the secret to their success, so him telling you that the center plate had nothing to do with their engines running and staying together like they have is sausage talk.lol

RoTaRyBoYz

Well my friend, you seem to have it all figured out, so there's no need for me to drag on this conversation.

Congratulations to PAC Performance on their new world record

dave20bpp

HA HA HA
the east and the west will never get on will they!!!!

you boys need to get over here to Australia so much more chilled out and plus we have the fastest rotary powered car in the world!!!!



dave

Ps: lets keep on topic its about one teams achievements not about what they did or used to get there. Cant credit just be given where credit is due????

ultimatejay

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hahahahahah, that's really funny Dave. I visit Ausrotory all the time and there is more bitching and fighting and name calling over there in Aus. than anywhere else in the world. There's not one thread over there that doesn't have someone who badmouths someone else.

BTW- both Rotaryboyz and I have congradulated Pac several times in this thread and many others so the credit has been given due, no biggy.

Speaking of racing- what's the latest on your 3 rotor rx2 sedan? I haven't heard anything from you in ahwhile.

rotarykai3

[QUOTE=RoTaRyBoYz;9499784]^ I like the way you think :icon_tup

Thx. Rotaryboys.. To me its not about the west coast, east coast, puerto rico or australia.. Its about having the rotary getting the numbers to be more competitive againts the piston 4's or 6's like the 2jz... NO matter who holds the fastest slips.. They still have to compete with the celica's 2jz powered car...

All in all the rotary community should just not hate but congratulate one another even though everyone is going for the rotary bragging rights.... I don't see the toyota forum, getting on one another about whos fast but they keep it tight as a tight toyota forum comm.. Sharing ideas on stuff...

We should just all appreciate whom ever is the one making name for the rotary enthusiast....

CONGRATS TO ALL... PUSHING THE ENVELOPE ON THE TIME AND MPH MADE ALL YOU COMPETE HARDER TO GET THE 6' ETS...

luiml73

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I love rotaries but I think we still have a long way to go before reaching these numbers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkOl2e1146w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO4lJ...eature=related

Congrats to Team Pac.. I guess if anyone can do it, it's them!!!

ultimatejay

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[QUOTE=rotarykai3;9502926]EXACTLY! ^ What he said x 1,000,000

rotarykai3

I hear you on that luiml73. Rocky at pac has his game on, if you follow their success, you all will notice that Pac has a 14 to ?? who knows how many car running as a test mule.. And half of those car running are 20b's... That is something that would give them all the info that they need on the combination of parts and tuniNg that would work..

No matter how much knowledge and good parts that you have that you cannot test is no good..
Special if you only have one car that you use to test all them parts.. But Rocky have all the data from all them cars running all the technical parts and idea on all of the PAC car's..
So, in short PAC has its stuff lock down...
Just like the great tuners out in PR, they have all the cars tuned to 1000hp, thats whats make them ahead of the tuning part.... All in all.. Rotary is as far as I know still trails from the 4's and 6's 2jz...
We come so close but yet so far.... But we rotary BOYS do it in style....

I HATE IT TO SPOIL THE ROTARY WORLD, BUT CHECK THIS VIDEO OUT 2JZ 2041HP.. ON THE DYNO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ta6hXZkKIw

C. Ludwig

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Has no one mentioned that the PAC car got out of the groove at about half track? How much time was given up there? Seems like quite a bit relative to the car in the other lane at least.

silvr94r2

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I used to have all Abels runs on tape....including all his 6's that day and night here in Vegas. If i'm not mistaken it was at a PSCA event. I could be wrong on the actual event, bein that it was so long ago. He did run awesome at those events...except for the motor issues I used to go to every single drag event but haven't in quite some time.

I'll check over my tapes when i have some time this weekend.

RoTaRyBoYz

PAC improved their MPH at today's Compact Attack event.

They ran 6.75 @ 209.93 - Making them the 2nd fastest rotary in the world. Abel Ibarra still holds the MPH world record at 209.95

Abel's info below

rotorholic

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What ever happend to Ed Marx '05 Celica 7.088 193.68, I belive it was a 4 banger? Enough about worlds fastest/quickest/lighest 3 rotor. Im sure if the 3 rotor builders would join forces and put the rotaries back on top like the old days, You would see some "TITAN ET'S" in no time, But im sure that wont happend no time soon.

RoTaRyBoYz

Ed Marx drove for Titan.. 2JZ power

rotorholic

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Who drove the red celica? I remember it was fast for a 4 banger?

RoTaRyBoYz

Not sure which red Celica you're talking about... Only red Celicas I know were the ones from the Scranton brothers, which were 2jz powered.

rotorholic

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Hmm, Maybe it was black? I remember the owner crashed it, Fixed it and came out faster than ever. I cant remember his name. TNT celica sounds like it?

RoTaRyBoYz

Yep, TNT racing does ring a bell.. Not sure what became of that car

rotorholic

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Found some info on The T&T Celica is powered by 3RZ four-cylinder engine led by Dennis and Steve Topletz, Not sure what the best time was but remember it was fast for the times.

rotormind

Lol.. congrads to pac man

ultimatejay

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Who cares about celica's and 2jz? This is a rotary website.

Congrats to Pac.