Gear Faceplating, Done on my TII Tranny!
12-19-09, 11:27 AM
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Gear Faceplating, Done on my TII Tranny!
I just got my tranny back from the shop yesterday installed and ready to go in my RX4. I decided to go with the Liberty Gear faceplating on 1st through 4th gears. Everything was also cryo treated inside to include the input and output shafts.
My question is, I tend to dayly drive my car alot more than I drag race it. The faceplating of the gears makes the tranny bang through every gear, is that going to wear out the 'faceplating' more than if I were to have used a reg syncro tranny with the same usage? I did get this for longer life on the drag strip, just hoping my primary usage isnt gonna shorten the life more than a syncro tranny would have.
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Ricky
My question is, I tend to dayly drive my car alot more than I drag race it. The faceplating of the gears makes the tranny bang through every gear, is that going to wear out the 'faceplating' more than if I were to have used a reg syncro tranny with the same usage? I did get this for longer life on the drag strip, just hoping my primary usage isnt gonna shorten the life more than a syncro tranny would have.
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Ricky
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I just got my tranny back from the shop yesterday installed and ready to go in my RX4. I decided to go with the Liberty Gear faceplating on 1st through 4th gears. Everything was also cryo treated inside to include the input and output shafts.
My question is, I tend to dayly drive my car alot more than I drag race it. The faceplating of the gears makes the tranny bang through every gear, is that going to wear out the 'faceplating' more than if I were to have used a reg syncro tranny with the same usage? I did get this for longer life on the drag strip, just hoping my primary usage isnt gonna shorten the life more than a syncro tranny would have.
Thanks
Ricky
My question is, I tend to dayly drive my car alot more than I drag race it. The faceplating of the gears makes the tranny bang through every gear, is that going to wear out the 'faceplating' more than if I were to have used a reg syncro tranny with the same usage? I did get this for longer life on the drag strip, just hoping my primary usage isnt gonna shorten the life more than a syncro tranny would have.
Thanks
Ricky
12-19-09, 01:07 PM
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I just got my tranny back from the shop yesterday installed and ready to go in my RX4. I decided to go with the Liberty Gear faceplating on 1st through 4th gears. Everything was also cryo treated inside to include the input and output shafts.
My question is, I tend to dayly drive my car alot more than I drag race it. The faceplating of the gears makes the tranny bang through every gear, is that going to wear out the 'faceplating' more than if I were to have used a reg syncro tranny with the same usage? I did get this for longer life on the drag strip, just hoping my primary usage isnt gonna shorten the life more than a syncro tranny would have.
Thanks
Ricky
My question is, I tend to dayly drive my car alot more than I drag race it. The faceplating of the gears makes the tranny bang through every gear, is that going to wear out the 'faceplating' more than if I were to have used a reg syncro tranny with the same usage? I did get this for longer life on the drag strip, just hoping my primary usage isnt gonna shorten the life more than a syncro tranny would have.
Thanks
Ricky
12-19-09, 03:13 PM
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I did one like 12 years ago and it worked good for a while before i broke 2 times and sold it to one of my freinds......i went faster but spending the money and time to rebuilt wasnt any good.I remember i paid like $350 back in the day to do the face plating......Took forever to get it too.Just buy a g force or liberty jay,these stock trannies will break.
I told several people just to buy a better tranny,but sometimes they dont listen.IT cost a little more but its worth the money,I think when i first bought my race tranny it was heaven,My first Race tranny lasted 10 years of obuse with no problems.Eric darby did the face plate too.but he broke it before and got convinced to spending the extra change.You'llbreak the stock tranny over and over,its gonna be almost like buying a full race tranny now days.
In the end its nice to try it and get better shifting but for longevity for track use it limited.
I told several people just to buy a better tranny,but sometimes they dont listen.IT cost a little more but its worth the money,I think when i first bought my race tranny it was heaven,My first Race tranny lasted 10 years of obuse with no problems.Eric darby did the face plate too.but he broke it before and got convinced to spending the extra change.You'llbreak the stock tranny over and over,its gonna be almost like buying a full race tranny now days.
In the end its nice to try it and get better shifting but for longevity for track use it limited.
12-19-09, 10:29 PM
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I did one like 12 years ago and it worked good for a while before i broke 2 times and sold it to one of my freinds......i went faster but spending the money and time to rebuilt wasnt any good.I remember i paid like $350 back in the day to do the face plating......Took forever to get it too.Just buy a g force or liberty jay,these stock trannies will break.
I told several people just to buy a better tranny,but sometimes they dont listen.IT cost a little more but its worth the money,I think when i first bought my race tranny it was heaven,My first Race tranny lasted 10 years of obuse with no problems.Eric darby did the face plate too.but he broke it before and got convinced to spending the extra change.You'llbreak the stock tranny over and over,its gonna be almost like buying a full race tranny now days.
In the end its nice to try it and get better shifting but for longevity for track use it limited.
I told several people just to buy a better tranny,but sometimes they dont listen.IT cost a little more but its worth the money,I think when i first bought my race tranny it was heaven,My first Race tranny lasted 10 years of obuse with no problems.Eric darby did the face plate too.but he broke it before and got convinced to spending the extra change.You'llbreak the stock tranny over and over,its gonna be almost like buying a full race tranny now days.
In the end its nice to try it and get better shifting but for longevity for track use it limited.
Anyways, if you're not using the clutch...... you're cheating. LOL
12-20-09, 04:23 PM
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When I called Liberty to confirm they recieved my gears they told me the turn around time was going to be two weeks and that they werent busy. 2 1/2 months later I recived the gears, guess they were busier than they led me to believe.
The cost of the face plating alone was a little North of 800.00 The cryo treatmeant I did at a local place that manufactures the cryo machines for liberty and other companies. They had built a machine for marketing purposes so they only do a limited amount of local customers and, at a price that nobody can match. About a 1.00 a pound is what I got charged there.
As far as a full race tranny ultamitjay is right on the money. Im not making a million hp, so I didnt need a race tranny, just needed something that was better than stock and would fit my individual needs. After all, we should all know what we need for our own projects. This tranny is perfect for the street and now whenever I go to the track I am not gonna break it with the hp im making.
I had a company do all the work for me, removal and instal as I didnt have the time or tools to do it. I have pics of the gears and can take video of the banging inbetween shifts as well if anybody is interstead.
Ricky
The cost of the face plating alone was a little North of 800.00 The cryo treatmeant I did at a local place that manufactures the cryo machines for liberty and other companies. They had built a machine for marketing purposes so they only do a limited amount of local customers and, at a price that nobody can match. About a 1.00 a pound is what I got charged there.
As far as a full race tranny ultamitjay is right on the money. Im not making a million hp, so I didnt need a race tranny, just needed something that was better than stock and would fit my individual needs. After all, we should all know what we need for our own projects. This tranny is perfect for the street and now whenever I go to the track I am not gonna break it with the hp im making.
I had a company do all the work for me, removal and instal as I didnt have the time or tools to do it. I have pics of the gears and can take video of the banging inbetween shifts as well if anybody is interstead.
Ricky
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12-20-09, 06:49 PM
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When I called Liberty to confirm they recieved my gears they told me the turn around time was going to be two weeks and that they werent busy. 2 1/2 months later I recived the gears, guess they were busier than they led me to believe.
The cost of the face plating alone was a little North of 800.00 The cryo treatmeant I did at a local place that manufactures the cryo machines for liberty and other companies. They had built a machine for marketing purposes so they only do a limited amount of local customers and, at a price that nobody can match. About a 1.00 a pound is what I got charged there.
As far as a full race tranny ultamitjay is right on the money. Im not making a million hp, so I didnt need a race tranny, just needed something that was better than stock and would fit my individual needs. After all, we should all know what we need for our own projects. This tranny is perfect for the street and now whenever I go to the track I am not gonna break it with the hp im making.
I had a company do all the work for me, removal and instal as I didnt have the time or tools to do it. I have pics of the gears and can take video of the banging inbetween shifts as well if anybody is interstead.
Ricky
The cost of the face plating alone was a little North of 800.00 The cryo treatmeant I did at a local place that manufactures the cryo machines for liberty and other companies. They had built a machine for marketing purposes so they only do a limited amount of local customers and, at a price that nobody can match. About a 1.00 a pound is what I got charged there.
As far as a full race tranny ultamitjay is right on the money. Im not making a million hp, so I didnt need a race tranny, just needed something that was better than stock and would fit my individual needs. After all, we should all know what we need for our own projects. This tranny is perfect for the street and now whenever I go to the track I am not gonna break it with the hp im making.
I had a company do all the work for me, removal and instal as I didnt have the time or tools to do it. I have pics of the gears and can take video of the banging inbetween shifts as well if anybody is interstead.
Ricky
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Video's
I finally took some Video's yesterday with my cell of me driving the car. The first video is me just shifting the tranny regularly. You can hear how loud the banging is inbetween gears. Loud enough to be picked up with the cell phone mic!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZu_96kxe7g
The secound video is me shifting the hell out of the car and loosing traction. My girfriend was the passanger taking the video and she did a good job not freaking out and moving the cell too much
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOQaatihJzA
What do you all think? Why did I loose so much traction...Tires are in good shap...maybe I just need better rubber.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZu_96kxe7g
The secound video is me shifting the hell out of the car and loosing traction. My girfriend was the passanger taking the video and she did a good job not freaking out and moving the cell too much
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOQaatihJzA
What do you all think? Why did I loose so much traction...Tires are in good shap...maybe I just need better rubber.
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To answer your pm ultimatejay, I do think this mod is worth it. It does sound loud when your shifting between gears but you get used to the banging. It shifts smooth given this banging sound as well. The only thing is you have to shift quicker if your just cruising because if not you can get a slight grind noise out of it. As well, anybody thats gets in the car asks right away what that wierd noise is! When I shift it fast the car goes absolutly nuts, and goes all over the place. This happens when shifting to 2nd and 3rd. Better tires are def needed now. Its wierd though, didnt have this problem with the reg gears in the turbo II tranny.
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01-04-10, 07:56 PM
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To answer your pm ultimatejay, I do think this mod is worth it. It does sound loud when your shifting between gears but you get used to the banging. It shifts smooth given this banging sound as well. The only thing is you have to shift quicker if your just cruising because if not you can get a slight grind noise out of it. As well, anybody thats gets in the car asks right away what that wierd noise is! When I shift it fast the car goes absolutly nuts, and goes all over the place. This happens when shifting to 2nd and 3rd. Better tires are def needed now. Its wierd though, didnt have this problem with the reg gears in the turbo II tranny.
Rick
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01-04-10, 08:27 PM
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I just got my tranny back from the shop yesterday installed and ready to go in my RX4. I decided to go with the Liberty Gear faceplating on 1st through 4th gears. Everything was also cryo treated inside to include the input and output shafts.
My question is, I tend to dayly drive my car alot more than I drag race it. The faceplating of the gears makes the tranny bang through every gear, is that going to wear out the 'faceplating' more than if I were to have used a reg syncro tranny with the same usage? I did get this for longer life on the drag strip, just hoping my primary usage isnt gonna shorten the life more than a syncro tranny would have.
Thanks
Ricky
My question is, I tend to dayly drive my car alot more than I drag race it. The faceplating of the gears makes the tranny bang through every gear, is that going to wear out the 'faceplating' more than if I were to have used a reg syncro tranny with the same usage? I did get this for longer life on the drag strip, just hoping my primary usage isnt gonna shorten the life more than a syncro tranny would have.
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Ricky
Unlike a synchro tranny, you will want to snap it into gear to avoid the grinding sound. (At least with my synchro trannys they don't like to shift super fast)
Dave
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I did take the car before to the dragstrip but since I had so much issues with the tranny and shifting inbetween gears I conviniently forgot the time.
The local track re-opens at the end of this month so I should have the times, just gotta get better tires before then.
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I would say no, it won't hurt it. As long as you're using the clutch wisely it will make a clatter noise but the stresses won't come close to approaching the loads seen in a drag race.
Unlike a synchro tranny, you will want to snap it into gear to avoid the grinding sound. (At least with my synchro trannys they don't like to shift super fast)
Dave
Unlike a synchro tranny, you will want to snap it into gear to avoid the grinding sound. (At least with my synchro trannys they don't like to shift super fast)
Dave
Yeah, see thats what I had to get used to. The shifting it quicker in between gears so it doesnt make that noise. Now it makes a nice bang when shifting reg as apposed to the grriiiiiiiiiinnnnnnd.
What do you think about if I power shift it....using the clutch but never taking my foot off the gas...thats what I did in the secound video. I know thats why my the turbo II tranny were busting, (well not getting into gear). Will this faceplatting handel it better or is it just a dumb idea all together??
01-05-10, 04:46 AM
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i do believe the faceplating is going to help you flat shift it, only the track will tell if its gonna hold up, but then again getting all that work done to not flat **** it is a bit strange, as if you just de syncrho the factory box then you can go out and crunch it without the costs involved .
MInes just a de synchrod box, and it shifts just fine, just gotta be quick like you say or it gets crunchy
MInes just a de synchrod box, and it shifts just fine, just gotta be quick like you say or it gets crunchy
01-05-10, 11:56 AM
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Yeah, see thats what I had to get used to. The shifting it quicker in between gears so it doesnt make that noise. Now it makes a nice bang when shifting reg as apposed to the grriiiiiiiiiinnnnnnd.
What do you think about if I power shift it....using the clutch but never taking my foot off the gas...thats what I did in the secound video. I know thats why my the turbo II tranny were busting, (well not getting into gear). Will this faceplatting handel it better or is it just a dumb idea all together??
What do you think about if I power shift it....using the clutch but never taking my foot off the gas...thats what I did in the secound video. I know thats why my the turbo II tranny were busting, (well not getting into gear). Will this faceplatting handel it better or is it just a dumb idea all together??
On a track you'll be much better set up to flat shift/clutchless shift / etc. How long it will last under this kind of work depends on the power and weight of the car, your ability to rev-match, etc.
The good thing is you can inspect faceplates much more easily than synchros - you just remove the underplate of the transmission and look at them and the magnet on the plate. After a few track days you should have a good feel for what's going on with your usage.
Dave
01-05-10, 12:01 PM
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i do believe the faceplating is going to help you flat shift it, only the track will tell if its gonna hold up, but then again getting all that work done to not flat **** it is a bit strange, as if you just de syncrho the factory box then you can go out and crunch it without the costs involved .
MInes just a de synchrod box, and it shifts just fine, just gotta be quick like you say or it gets crunchy
MInes just a de synchrod box, and it shifts just fine, just gotta be quick like you say or it gets crunchy
The only way I know to make a transmission without synchros is to make it with dog rings aka faceplate engagement.
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