von

What happend to them. There web site is totally different then it was before and I dont hear of them winning any races. I could be wrong. I heard the rule changes kinda put them out of business.

fdracer

the rotary engine put them out of the racing business. no one in a rotary has been able to be competitive. abel's a joke, montano's a joke, and the gonzales' are almost a sec. slower than efantis. the only guy doing well is kilo, and that's cuz he's competing against fwd's.

93redFD

the rotary engine put them out of business, why? Why are the people above a joke? I dont keep up with racing at all, fill me in.

Not Stock

Able a joke? 6.7@ 200+mph a joke? I don't get the joke. When he gets the 3 rotor all
figured out and gets consistent he will have the last laugh. As for Ari, unless he goes
3 rotor, he's done. They have one but I think they are more interested in all motor,where
the rotary is still very competitive. They don't even try to sell Haltech anymore, they are
all high on the power fc, going soft I guess.

Boostn7

>Able a joke? 6.7@ 200+mph a joke? I don't get the joke. When he gets the 3 rotor all
figured out and gets consistent he will have the last laugh. <

SORRY !!! But I've been waiting for over 2 years for Abel to get things figured out!!!!
He has plenty of help from K&N, Mazda and others and only at one event he kept the motor together for more then 2 passes. Maybe he knew K&N was there looking for other cars to sponsor !

AT least he made proud with those 200+mph/ 6 sec passes :-)

Next year 6.5 @ ~210++mph will be the normal !

JD

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I agree he'd better do it soon, but if anyone can it's him. I hate to say it but I think the
rotary has it's limits, limited r&d. We don't have the exotic parts and mass support that
piston guys do.

rotarygod

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It's not the rotary engine or Rotary Performance who are jokes. It's the whole import drag racing scene that has become a joke. It's run by a bunch of biased idiots who actually think a Honda is a performance car. If you can't turn both directions, you aren't racing anyways. Who needs it.

von

I dont get why anyone would say the rotoary is the problem. If that was the case how can they still be national champions and the pro class still hold records that are or were recently unbroken? You would have to be an idiot to say that and not back your claims up

I think the truth is that they allowed bigger V6 engines in the class making alot more competition for the 13b since they have been dominating the NHRA for years. But I guess the rotary is the problem. "whatever"

von

Oh and I thought N/A rotaries stil hold the record with a high 9 pass ?

prrex4ever

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The Gonzalez team = 1.3 liters, efantis = 2. 6 liters(at least). Go figure! If they ever made a 5.0 liter rotary it would put out over 1,000 hp (stock,n/a). The only japenese powered car to ever win the 24 hours of lemans, A ROTARY!

GoodfellaFD3S

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I just spoke to Ari the other day for a couple of hours. He is doing well, gave me lots of great advice......He has plans for his drag car, trust me on that. Just have patience, young grasshoppa

luiml73

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Only the mighty 4rotor can save us now.

Scalliwag

I have not kept up with the rules on anything but the NA's. This is what I do know about that class. Anytime the rotaries start winning they adjust the rules. First they killed off the 3 rotor. Then they kept adding weight on the RWD's and lightening the FWD's.
I saw enough of that **** to know I saw enough of that ****.
As soon as they would make a change to the rules to give the FWD's and advantage and they would start winning again the interviews were pathetic to read. The FWD folks would be talking about how much better they were doing and fail to mention that rule changes and not their skills made all the difference.
I figure it as about as much bragging rights as somebody hitting Mike Tyson in the head with a baseball bat and me walking up and kicking his ***. Then I go around bragging how I kicked Mike Tyson's *** Watching the politics being played in the NA class alone way more than I really wanted to see.

Outlawing Kilo's engine because he was kicking everybodies *** was bullshit. The FWD's need to make their cars faster instead of relying on the NHRA to make the RWD's slower.

luiml73

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The new Skunk2 Acura beat kilo's time, and is making more power than the 13B "I think". I do think the Acura has a fiberglass or Carbon Fiber body though.

http://www.nhrasportcompact.com/2004...er/110102.html

Scalliwag

Getting a 225lb minimum advantage does not hurt either.

93redFD

I think thats goes on everywhere though, when someone or something wins for so long, rules start changing.

RotaryWeaponSE7EN

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Rotaries Own!

Scalliwag

To an extent but the way the rules are is that the rotary has been given the heaviest minimum weight of ANY in the All-Motor class. That includes RWD's as well.

von

Oh ok that clears things up a bit.

von

Well jesus Padila had a 9.90 after missing a gear I think it said. And thats against the rsx's 220lb lighter car that ran a 9.88 ? Big deal.

kabooski

no he did not miss a gear and still run 9.90's

theres a whole interview with him
about every race this year.......................

http://www.nhrasportcompact.com/apcm...2145&zoneid=11

von

Wait so if rotary is the problem the how come jesus padila won the 2004 all motor champion? I hate it when poeple talk without having a dam clue.

APEXL8T

when will Downing or Mazda step up and innovate new technologies. Pistons guys have cut o ringed blocks with brass gaskets or machined matched heads, Titanium valves,spring seats & guides. High strength aluminum rods , race pistons ( with r&d flow design) .Years of flow bench, now VTEC......
we still run cast iron rotors on a on heavy iron crank, steel seals , rubber -o- rings with iron and aluminum mating surfaces that separate and twist under high HP load. No true R&D is done on the rotary for high out put other than na porting and some small endurance help.Not much from stock.No alternative.
Where is the High HP Aluminun/Ceramic composit rotors? Titanium based e shaft? Same High HP Aluminun/Ceramic composit for side housing?
I think lighter and better matterial would allow for extremly high Hp applications and heat transfer.Stacking the same old technology (4 rotors)
is fine but lets maximize the rotary's pump design.

Just my 2 cents.

Scalliwag

Many of the blocks, heads, cams, cranks, etc. were made by people like Keith Black and others in the sport. Sure a lot of R&D has been done especially by comparison to the Mazda rotary. But the few that have spent the time and resources to develop aluminum sideplates like RacingBeat have a pretty low volume of sales in comparison with say Keith Black's engine blocks.
Granted that those side plates are high but so is a Keith Black block. Even a stock new block is not cheap.
What generally is cheap are rotary guys in that most of them use used parts and some out of spec. So it is very easy to understand from the angle that we are not exactly breaking down their doors on the parts available to us right now so why should they produce all these high end parts?

I know more people than I can count that can and do spend big bucks on aftermarket Chevy stuff. I do not know one single person that has bought a set of aluminum intermediate plates from RB. If these same Chevy people I know were rotary guys they would put down the $3600 for them. And instead of digging through high mileage motors forever trying to come up with the least of the worn rotor housings they would drop the $850 on those without hesitation just like they do for forged cranks, billet heads, titanium valves etc.

So to me as much as I love the rotary I think judging by our record as consumers of already available items on the market that Mazda would be nuts to invest much into these things.
All of you out there running the RB aluminum sides please post pics.

CHINOOO

Guys just remember how less than ten years ago how we had to fabricate our own mods and how now there are more companies who are producing for us. We just got to wait and see how the RX-8 does on sales before companies are going to go more hi-performance on parts for us. I spoke to a Mazda representative and he said that Mazda is looking to go into production of a fleet of rotaries including stationwagons and stuff but it all depends and how the market is going to embrace the RX-8. If it goes well, then we can start talking about lowering E.T.s and raising M.P.H.s for Abel and other rotor kings.