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Old Sep 24, 2003 | 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by Hamza734
Pumping dynamics are in play at all engine speeds. As you correctly pointed out, the effects are reduced at higher RPM's. However, each rotor turns at 1/3 engine speed. Consequently, even at 9000 RPM's the rotor is only turning at 3K. At these speeds, pumping dynamics are still critical....
Very good point...



Computing the absolute dynamics of the intake charge vs the exhaust WOULD be damn near impossible. However, one can still quantitavely say overlap matters. Why? Because the driving force to suck in the intake charge is vacuum. The longer the exhaust stroke continues into the intake stroke, the greater the vacuum. Given ports of equal size, the one with the greater vacuum (the one with the most overlap) will suck in the most intake charge. It'll also be the most efficient, as pumping losses will be less.
Yeah, I guess the question is how much of an effect does this contribute to the power output...


In a sense the point is moot for rotaries. Since all but the mildest porting increases overlap it'll be impossible to consider whether overlap is responsible or port size. I would argue both, with port size being a bit more important.
Now this is an interesting question...
My porting has evolved to no increase overlap from the stock ports.&nbsp All I do in basically increase duration, especially on the intake.&nbsp Increasing duration on the exhaust hurts torque, as I found out with my car - 253.9hp and 207lb-ft - but that was expected.&nbsp I would love to do a back-to-back comparison with no overlap increase versus mild overlap increase, but this entails a rebuild in between!&nbsp I currently don't have the resources to pull this off right now...


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Old Sep 25, 2003 | 11:37 PM
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Yeah, I guess the question is how much of an effect does this contribute to the power output...
I would argue it's significant to absolute power. Witness Racing Beat's numerous P-Port, turbo beasts... Note that I said absolute power. In a street turbo, minimum overlap is good as the turbo should provide enough air in the usuable RPM range of the engine. This principle is used to great effect in piston engines with variable valve timing. A mild cam is used at low RPM's to ensure a good idle and good low end power. Then as the revs go up, the cams changes to greater duration and lift. The result- a super flexible engine with power through the entire range. All we have to do is figure out a way to do this to rotaries

My porting has evolved to no increase overlap from the stock ports.
I'd like to hear more about this!
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Old Sep 25, 2003 | 11:38 PM
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Ted,

I'm thinking about an N/A project- a streetable bridgeport. What's your take on street-porting the primaries and bridegies on the auxillaries?

Hakan
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Old Sep 26, 2003 | 06:03 PM
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It's a compromise situation.&nbsp The non-bridge primary tries to keep the intake velocity high while the bridged secondaries give you the added flow.&nbsp I usually want it full on or nothing - so I would go full bridge.

Idea on what my intake port would look like - here's a recent template I made.&nbsp Notice the stock port underneath...





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Old Sep 27, 2003 | 04:19 PM
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It's a compromise situation. The non-bridge primary tries to keep the intake velocity high while the bridged secondaries give you the added flow. I usually want it full on or nothing - so I would go full bridge.
Actually, compromise is what we're going for. The car in question is for a friend, who's boring a bring old fart and wants maximum drivability. Have you ever seen a car with street-ported primaries and bridged secondaries? I'm thinking there might be issues when the auxillary ports open up...

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Old Sep 27, 2003 | 05:15 PM
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RETed I don't often agree with you BUT those intake ports are kinda like what I had been thinking of for an "optimized street car" port. Especially the "angle" of the port.
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