More of BDC's handy work!!!
#51
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Originally Posted by RETed
I just like to see proof of BDC's claims.
That's the bottom line.
For example...
In regards to his TB mod: "...higher overall torque and power figures by as much as 10 to 15%."
http://www.teamfc3s.org/forum/showth...threadid=21710
I can't see how such modifications can attain such elevated power levels?
The conflict between BDC and I is known by many people.
It still comes down to a matter of proof.
The generic answer I keep getting is: I-make-more-power-than-you-(what-have-you-done?)-so-it-must-all-be-true.
Sorry, but that is just not enough for me.
I guess I'm not getting an answer on the blown engines question.
I've invited BDC to converse in PM. but he thinks it's a trap?
I guess conversing in public is not a valid option either?
It doesn't matter - his silence is a good enough answer for me.
All I replies in this thread was a paraphrase on what BDC said in the past.
Nothing more...nothing less - did I miss something?
BDC was the one who said it - not me.
It's come to the point where if I say anything with a negative angle towards BDC, people take it as a flame - go figure?
-Ted
That's the bottom line.
For example...
In regards to his TB mod: "...higher overall torque and power figures by as much as 10 to 15%."
http://www.teamfc3s.org/forum/showth...threadid=21710
I can't see how such modifications can attain such elevated power levels?
The conflict between BDC and I is known by many people.
It still comes down to a matter of proof.
The generic answer I keep getting is: I-make-more-power-than-you-(what-have-you-done?)-so-it-must-all-be-true.
Sorry, but that is just not enough for me.
I guess I'm not getting an answer on the blown engines question.
I've invited BDC to converse in PM. but he thinks it's a trap?
I guess conversing in public is not a valid option either?
It doesn't matter - his silence is a good enough answer for me.
All I replies in this thread was a paraphrase on what BDC said in the past.
Nothing more...nothing less - did I miss something?
BDC was the one who said it - not me.
It's come to the point where if I say anything with a negative angle towards BDC, people take it as a flame - go figure?
-Ted
I know that dealing with you in PM's won't be a trap. You aren't a mind-reader so don't try and supplant that thought into my head. I would deal with you the exact same way in private as I am dealing with you here in public on this very thread.
"The blown engines question" -- Even if I have blown engines in the past, what point of yours against me would it corroborate? None. Infact, isn't the staple of a skilled tuner and engine builder that which is riddled with mistakes? I certainly have had my share. I blew two engines in late 1997 when I was first getting started in this hobby. I did it because I was over-zealous with my right foot and didn't know what I was doing with the mechanics and such under the hood. I made claims then that I was wrong about. But, I haven't blown an engine since, atleast within that same type of setup. The only motors that have blown up that are related to me are the ones that have done-so during my own experimentation and learning curve in dealing with the half-BP turbo setups. None of them have been my car and not all of them were due to my tuning, either. My close friend Eric and I have been doing alot of work on his HBP-turbo car over the course of the last year. We've blown a couple of engines on his car but they've not occured during street or dyno tuning. We don't sweat it if they happen on his because they're easy to fix and will lend us a better idea of potential limits that we cannot cross. It's all an honest part of learning and becoming more skilled. Even if an engine of mine goes, although it's more money and more work to fix, I invite the challenge because that small step backwards, when dealt with responsibly and rightly, can be a giant leap forwards in terms of what can be learned by the real-world experience. You can gripe, moan, and bitch about my having 'blown engines' or not having a perfect history, but where's yours? Do you even have enough real-world experience to have a spotty history in the first place, or are you just one of these "know-it-all" types that projects that irrational frame of mind on to others to give yourself a false sense of confidence?
My throttle body modification works. I am not sure about the overall horsepower increase (that's why I left it at 10-15% because one car did actually produce that), but I do know with concrete proof (there's that word again) that it does have substantially-beneficial effects on the car that cannot be ignored. Time and time again buyers or even copy-cats of that mod will all tell me the same thing regarding its positive effects. There's no argument against this here that you will win.
This alleged "generic answer" -- "I make more power than you..." That's not what I've strictly done nor where I've come from in my responses, although it may play a part in them. The power that my engines and tuning have produced is part and parcel of my rebuttals against your unreasonable arguments -- I still don't see you producing anything near these numbers. But, that's just one aspect of it all -- I think you just have little, real-world experience, although I believe you would like to project an image of 'expertise' to the rest of the rotary community here. Like I've said a few times already, I am still waiting to see any pictures, videos, or anything regarding the results of your work.... anything.
With all due respect, I still think you are just a bully, Ted. I think you're irrational and I think you're trying to knock me down to make yourself feel better because I've stood up to your abusive and childish behaviour.
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Originally Posted by RETed
Cause BDC claims it's not necessary...
-Ted
-Ted
But aside from all the trash-talking that went on. There is something to be learned. The smallest change in shape or contour to the port may effect driveability/power drastically, or not at all. I suppose it all depends what your trying to accomplish. I for one, am doing my first rebuild and port job for my n/a. Nothin special, shootin for 200 just like the next n/a guy. But BDC's word about the backcutting for a street car is good enough for me, and when it comes down to it, why remove material when you will not see any gains from it?
#54
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Something I've been thinking about.
When the rotor closes the "normal" port, there's going to be a reversion heading back up the intake port. But the "eyebrow" is never closed, so maybe non-relief of the eyebrow is a good thing? Try to catch the reversion early and utilize it, to minimize the reverse flow in the intake tract? Maybe even at some point a pressure spike occurs right there and assists in flow in the pre-TDC part of the intake cycle, depends on many factors but nonetheless! Something to think about.
Remember, reversion is double bad, ti takes energy to make air stop and flow backwards, and it takes more energy to stop it again and make it flow forwards again!
When the rotor closes the "normal" port, there's going to be a reversion heading back up the intake port. But the "eyebrow" is never closed, so maybe non-relief of the eyebrow is a good thing? Try to catch the reversion early and utilize it, to minimize the reverse flow in the intake tract? Maybe even at some point a pressure spike occurs right there and assists in flow in the pre-TDC part of the intake cycle, depends on many factors but nonetheless! Something to think about.
Remember, reversion is double bad, ti takes energy to make air stop and flow backwards, and it takes more energy to stop it again and make it flow forwards again!
#55
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Originally Posted by BDC
Like I've said a few times already, I am still waiting to see any pictures, videos, or anything regarding the results of your work.... anything.
A good starting point would be my own website?
There are also tons of pics that hIGGI has kept on his website - some of which I am not too comfortable having posted publically, but it seems that not too many people know about them in the first place.
-Ted
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Originally Posted by rxrotary2_7
I hope you were not refering to me as my reply was nothing but friendly. Reply was to Sean, and he knows that is is not bad... But if you were not talking about me, you are right, that there is a lot a $hit talking going on in this thread... sounds about right for this comunity, nothing different today than any other day. Talk trash on everyone else, take jabs at people, and so on... its nothing new.
BTW BDC, looks good.
BTW BDC, looks good.
Hey its mechanical discourse and I'm all about learning here.
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Originally Posted by peejay
Something I've been thinking about.
When the rotor closes the "normal" port, there's going to be a reversion heading back up the intake port. But the "eyebrow" is never closed, so maybe non-relief of the eyebrow is a good thing? Try to catch the reversion early and utilize it, to minimize the reverse flow in the intake tract? Maybe even at some point a pressure spike occurs right there and assists in flow in the pre-TDC part of the intake cycle, depends on many factors but nonetheless! Something to think about.
Remember, reversion is double bad, ti takes energy to make air stop and flow backwards, and it takes more energy to stop it again and make it flow forwards again!
When the rotor closes the "normal" port, there's going to be a reversion heading back up the intake port. But the "eyebrow" is never closed, so maybe non-relief of the eyebrow is a good thing? Try to catch the reversion early and utilize it, to minimize the reverse flow in the intake tract? Maybe even at some point a pressure spike occurs right there and assists in flow in the pre-TDC part of the intake cycle, depends on many factors but nonetheless! Something to think about.
Remember, reversion is double bad, ti takes energy to make air stop and flow backwards, and it takes more energy to stop it again and make it flow forwards again!
This is probably part of why the OEM mazda intake manifolds have the U shaped tubes as opposed to piston engines with a log and runners: valves do stay closed for quite a while in a running engine and reversion would need to be part of the intake manifold tuning.
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Brian we've known each other for a while now. You've never been one to make false claims or bs anyone. In fact I've always thought of you as one of the better rotary builders out there. You figured out the power secrets behind timing split on your own with no outside help. You think a little differently than many others but that's not because you are flawed. That's because you are not content with the status quo that everyone else foolishly follows. This is obvious in how well all of your engines have run and the kinds of numbers you have put down. You aren't afraid to fail and you aren't afraid to admit when you messed up. You have realized that how long someone has done something is irrelevant if they've been doing it the wrong way for all of those years and have just gotten good at doing it that way. There is one very respected rotary builder that comes to mind but he isn't on this forum and I won't mention him here. You have nothing to prove to anyone. In fact it is quite the opposite. People should prove themselves to you. Keep up the good work. You're better than most and some are just jealous of you. If you're going to be at the quad state bbq, I'll see you there.
#59
Outch -Teddie?.Relax,take a sip of your orange juice,Think by know you should know the routine!
Of the name??????NAH,dont think so.
****,no not yet but think if i could get all the parts I could build a rocket that COULD fly up your *** and EXPLODE!!!!!!!!!
CHEERS!!!!
Of the name??????NAH,dont think so.
****,no not yet but think if i could get all the parts I could build a rocket that COULD fly up your *** and EXPLODE!!!!!!!!!
CHEERS!!!!
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well ... i'd like to give it up to BDC. i respect anyone that can do the type of work you do. your pride and meticulous eyes show.
as an objective person that knows nothing of you or Ted, i'd just like to ask that you both call a truce - at least for the sake of the thread. i remember an ugly situation a few months ago with two chaps in Britain that could not agree to disagree. obviously this goes deeper than me or many others may know, but i just wanted to respectfully make an official call for peace.
again, kudos to BDC and good luck to Crusader 9x with your car and new engine. please post results.
cheers
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as an objective person that knows nothing of you or Ted, i'd just like to ask that you both call a truce - at least for the sake of the thread. i remember an ugly situation a few months ago with two chaps in Britain that could not agree to disagree. obviously this goes deeper than me or many others may know, but i just wanted to respectfully make an official call for peace.
again, kudos to BDC and good luck to Crusader 9x with your car and new engine. please post results.
cheers
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Last edited by diabolical1; 08-17-05 at 03:52 PM.
#61
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Originally Posted by diabolical1
well ... i'd like to give it up to BDC. i respect anyone that can do the type of work you do. your pride and meticulous eyes show.
as an objective person that knows nothing of you or Ted, i'd just like to ask that you both call a truce - at least for the sake of the thread. i remember an ugly situation a few months ago with two chaps in Britain that could not agree to disagree. obviously this goes deeper than me or many others may know, but i just wanted to respectfully make an official call for peace.
again, kudos to BDC and good luck to Crusader 9x with your car and new engine. please post results.
cheers
1
as an objective person that knows nothing of you or Ted, i'd just like to ask that you both call a truce - at least for the sake of the thread. i remember an ugly situation a few months ago with two chaps in Britain that could not agree to disagree. obviously this goes deeper than me or many others may know, but i just wanted to respectfully make an official call for peace.
again, kudos to BDC and good luck to Crusader 9x with your car and new engine. please post results.
cheers
1
#62
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Originally Posted by 88IntegraLS
This is probably part of why the OEM mazda intake manifolds have the U shaped tubes as opposed to piston engines with a log and runners: valves do stay closed for quite a while in a running engine and reversion would need to be part of the intake manifold tuning.
And then there's the really weirdball stuff. Compare a stock 5.0 (car or truck) manifold to a BXR Cross Ram intake manifold (sixteen runners, three plenums).
Side plenums not visible. The runners on a given side flow to the opposite bank, similar to an old Mopar 413 crossram or a GM TPI.
What? Never saw a 413 crossram?
Okay, done with the trhead hijacking, back to your regularly scheduled flamefest.
Last edited by peejay; 08-17-05 at 06:49 PM.
#63
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Originally Posted by BDC
Nice diversion -- You didn't answer my question. When have I allegedly blown up 5 engines?
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people dont break rotarys........... broken rotarys break people.......and mine has broken me 3 times
#67
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Originally Posted by billzrx7
bdc, how big was mine in comparison to this one?
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#73
How Zit Teddy,like thew saying goes *small things amuses small minds*
Whent to your site but hey I could see nothing of your porting ????
Could you please,yes PLEASE post some of your million dollar porting pics please?
Maybe we can vote on this thread! Seeing that you are the master at what the f.....k you are doing?
WE ARE WAITING!!!!!!(na na ha , na na ha,hey -hey,he"s a p.................s!!!!!!!)
Whent to your site but hey I could see nothing of your porting ????
Could you please,yes PLEASE post some of your million dollar porting pics please?
Maybe we can vote on this thread! Seeing that you are the master at what the f.....k you are doing?
WE ARE WAITING!!!!!!(na na ha , na na ha,hey -hey,he"s a p.................s!!!!!!!)
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Ted posted some decent info on nopistons.com one time in a porting thread that was very controversial. It was regarding the benefits of backcutting a street port and filling in part of the bowl. I'd love to fill in parts of the ports but I don't trust JB weld or epoxy. I would just weld on a very cold setting with a miller wire feed but I'm afraid of warping the housing. I do have some junk housings, I should try it and check with a straight edge.