Ibarras going to campaign an RX-8!
01-10-03, 12:36 PM
#1
Bourbon King
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 667
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Ibarras going to campaign an RX-8!
Looks like Abel is going to turn the RX7 over to another driver and is going to campaign a brand new RX-8 in the Pro Import class. Man this comming year is going to be nuts there are a TON of Pro Import cars comming out. Papadakis with his RWD civic powered by a NSX engine, Eddie Bello somehow managed not to go to jail and is going to be driving a Pro Import Porsche 911! Adam Saruwatari looks to have given up on the NSX and now has a RWD civic hatch for Pro-Import. Im betting someone is going to come out with a Pro-Import Skyline soon. Another thing that interests me is I wonder if Mazda is given factory support to Abel, like they are Bergenholtz in the Protege Pro-FWD car?
01-10-03, 01:51 PM
#2
Rotary Freak
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: l.a.
Posts: 1,640
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
of course he's gonna get factory support, pretty much every pro-car needs it these days w/ how much it costs to campaign one. this is just insane, every race he goes to he has 3 chances of winning the pro class. i was wondering the same thing about bello, how does he come out of jail and immediately have the money to build a $200k+ car. guess he was able to hide all his money before he went in.
01-10-03, 02:12 PM
#3
Originally posted by fdracer
of course he's gonna get factory support, pretty much every pro-car needs it these days w/ how much it costs to campaign one.
of course he's gonna get factory support, pretty much every pro-car needs it these days w/ how much it costs to campaign one.
Originally posted by fdracer
about bello, how does he come out of jail and immediately have the money to build a $200k+ car. guess he was able to hide all his money before he went in.
about bello, how does he come out of jail and immediately have the money to build a $200k+ car. guess he was able to hide all his money before he went in.
01-10-03, 03:12 PM
#4
Strange that Abel went to the trouble of building the new RX-7 and doing all the work to get the 3-rotor running well just to sell it this quickly. I guess if the factory wants him to run an RX-8 and is backing him with money though, then why not. I just can't wait to see if they maintain using the side exhaust ports in the engine or not.
That NSX that Adam was driving was probably the biggest dissappointment I've seen in the pro-class in years! The build up was so talked about, documented, and lots of rumours about high 6's being thrown around, and when it came out all it could manage was low 8's and then eventually high 7's... not competitive.
I'm really interested to see who call comes out from Peurto Rico this year and what all they have. It seems every year there are more and more PR drivers, which means more and more top-notch rotaries.
Does anyone know of any other rotaries which will be new to the Pro-class for 2003?
That NSX that Adam was driving was probably the biggest dissappointment I've seen in the pro-class in years! The build up was so talked about, documented, and lots of rumours about high 6's being thrown around, and when it came out all it could manage was low 8's and then eventually high 7's... not competitive.
I'm really interested to see who call comes out from Peurto Rico this year and what all they have. It seems every year there are more and more PR drivers, which means more and more top-notch rotaries.
Does anyone know of any other rotaries which will be new to the Pro-class for 2003?
01-10-03, 03:26 PM
#5
Bourbon King
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 667
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Abel isnt selling the car he is forming a race team and using a well known Pro-Stock driver but wouldnt say who. The R-100 is also getting a make-over and will make certain events as part of the team.
01-10-03, 03:50 PM
#6
Rotary Freak
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: l.a.
Posts: 1,640
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
abel attends every nhra import race, siguel does not. it is impossible to attend the number of races he does w/o factory support. i hope bello's pos crashes his first time out. i still want to know how he's gonna get the money to campaign it considering he's been in jail the past however many years. hopefully no one's stupid enough to sponsor his ***.
01-10-03, 04:16 PM
#7
in addition to being a real dumb ***, you're also really naive. you want bello to crash his car just because he's been in jail??
you think that abel is able to do what he does because he gets factory support???
next time you see abel at the track ask him why the feds raided his house last year.... i bet it wasn't mazda sponsor $$ they were looking for
more often than not, any competitive import race car is being financed at least in part by quasi-legal activities. this is what the sport was founded on. you think when guys were street racing for a little cash and respect, that they were paying full price for all the parts they broke and blew up??
all this talk of racers bringing 2 and 3 spare motors to the track with them... do you think they have reciepts for them??? get a ******* clue. in the street racing days, when you blew a motor or a tranny, that meant that somebody was gonna wake up tomorow with thier car missing because i needed it's tranny.
those same street racers of yesterday are the import racing stars of today. yeah theres some sponsorship $$ involved now, but dont think that these arent the same ppl who they were a few years ago. everybody cheats in life a lil. weather its lying on your taxes, or 'borrowing' parts to build your race car. almost everybody has done it, and just because Tito's case was highly publicized, dont think for a second that he was the only one to ever do it.
and why would anyone be stupid to sponsor Tito just because he had a run in with the law?? that does not mean that he isn't still the creative, smart, and inovative racer he always was. Tito is a street racing legend in NYC. it has nothing to do with how he got the parts he was running, its all abot how he used them!!! same goes for al;l the little guys who are out there beating up on the big guys with the big spnsorship deals....
like i said, Siguel has NO SPONSOR and he's kicking everybody's ***. he does more with less$$$ because he knows what he is doing. with the budget that abel has, i'm sure siguel would remain untouchable.
same goes for Tito, he can build a car that runs harder than any other in its class, with just a fraction of the $$ the other guys have spent, immagine how much he will dominate if he has some good sponsor cash behind him?? thats the same question the potential sponsors will ask themselvs before handing Eddie Bello a contract to sign.
stop hating and admit to yourself that we live in an unperfect world. the sport is about making $$. winning cars generate $$, and those are the cars that companys will want to sponsor. PERIOD.
I wish Tito all the best in 2003
you think that abel is able to do what he does because he gets factory support???
next time you see abel at the track ask him why the feds raided his house last year.... i bet it wasn't mazda sponsor $$ they were looking for
more often than not, any competitive import race car is being financed at least in part by quasi-legal activities. this is what the sport was founded on. you think when guys were street racing for a little cash and respect, that they were paying full price for all the parts they broke and blew up??
all this talk of racers bringing 2 and 3 spare motors to the track with them... do you think they have reciepts for them??? get a ******* clue. in the street racing days, when you blew a motor or a tranny, that meant that somebody was gonna wake up tomorow with thier car missing because i needed it's tranny.
those same street racers of yesterday are the import racing stars of today. yeah theres some sponsorship $$ involved now, but dont think that these arent the same ppl who they were a few years ago. everybody cheats in life a lil. weather its lying on your taxes, or 'borrowing' parts to build your race car. almost everybody has done it, and just because Tito's case was highly publicized, dont think for a second that he was the only one to ever do it.
and why would anyone be stupid to sponsor Tito just because he had a run in with the law?? that does not mean that he isn't still the creative, smart, and inovative racer he always was. Tito is a street racing legend in NYC. it has nothing to do with how he got the parts he was running, its all abot how he used them!!! same goes for al;l the little guys who are out there beating up on the big guys with the big spnsorship deals....
like i said, Siguel has NO SPONSOR and he's kicking everybody's ***. he does more with less$$$ because he knows what he is doing. with the budget that abel has, i'm sure siguel would remain untouchable.
same goes for Tito, he can build a car that runs harder than any other in its class, with just a fraction of the $$ the other guys have spent, immagine how much he will dominate if he has some good sponsor cash behind him?? thats the same question the potential sponsors will ask themselvs before handing Eddie Bello a contract to sign.
stop hating and admit to yourself that we live in an unperfect world. the sport is about making $$. winning cars generate $$, and those are the cars that companys will want to sponsor. PERIOD.
I wish Tito all the best in 2003
Originally posted by fdracer
abel attends every nhra import race, siguel does not. it is impossible to attend the number of races he does w/o factory support. i hope bello's pos crashes his first time out. i still want to know how he's gonna get the money to campaign it considering he's been in jail the past however many years. hopefully no one's stupid enough to sponsor his ***.
abel attends every nhra import race, siguel does not. it is impossible to attend the number of races he does w/o factory support. i hope bello's pos crashes his first time out. i still want to know how he's gonna get the money to campaign it considering he's been in jail the past however many years. hopefully no one's stupid enough to sponsor his ***.
Last edited by SPEED_NYC; 01-10-03 at 04:23 PM.
Trending Topics
01-10-03, 04:18 PM
#8
Abel should always campaign the R100 no matter what other cars he has! That thing is so cool and it's definitely a crowd favorite car!! This is probably half the reason for keeping it...
01-10-03, 05:02 PM
#9
Bourbon King
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 667
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally posted by SPEED_NYC
in addition to being a real dumb ***, you're also really naive. you want bello to crash his car just because he's been in jail??
you think that abel is able to do what he does because he gets factory support???
next time you see abel at the track ask him why the feds raided his house last year.... i bet it wasn't mazda sponsor $$ they were looking for
more often than not, any competitive import race car is being financed at least in part by quasi-legal activities. this is what the sport was founded on. you think when guys were street racing for a little cash and respect, that they were paying full price for all the parts they broke and blew up??
all this talk of racers bringing 2 and 3 spare motors to the track with them... do you think they have reciepts for them??? get a ******* clue. in the street racing days, when you blew a motor or a tranny, that meant that somebody was gonna wake up tomorow with thier car missing because i needed it's tranny.
those same street racers of yesterday are the import racing stars of today. yeah theres some sponsorship $$ involved now, but dont think that these arent the same ppl who they were a few years ago. everybody cheats in life a lil. weather its lying on your taxes, or 'borrowing' parts to build your race car. almost everybody has done it, and just because Tito's case was highly publicized, dont think for a second that he was the only one to ever do it.
and why would anyone be stupid to sponsor Tito just because he had a run in with the law?? that does not mean that he isn't still the creative, smart, and inovative racer he always was. Tito is a street racing legend in NYC. it has nothing to do with how he got the parts he was running, its all abot how he used them!!! same goes for al;l the little guys who are out there beating up on the big guys with the big spnsorship deals....
like i said, Siguel has NO SPONSOR and he's kicking everybody's ***. he does more with less$$$ because he knows what he is doing. with the budget that abel has, i'm sure siguel would remain untouchable.
same goes for Tito, he can build a car that runs harder than any other in its class, with just a fraction of the $$ the other guys have spent, immagine how much he will dominate if he has some good sponsor cash behind him?? thats the same question the potential sponsors will ask themselvs before handing Eddie Bello a contract to sign.
stop hating and admit to yourself that we live in an unperfect world. the sport is about making $$. winning cars generate $$, and those are the cars that companys will want to sponsor. PERIOD.
I wish Tito all the best in 2003
in addition to being a real dumb ***, you're also really naive. you want bello to crash his car just because he's been in jail??
you think that abel is able to do what he does because he gets factory support???
next time you see abel at the track ask him why the feds raided his house last year.... i bet it wasn't mazda sponsor $$ they were looking for
more often than not, any competitive import race car is being financed at least in part by quasi-legal activities. this is what the sport was founded on. you think when guys were street racing for a little cash and respect, that they were paying full price for all the parts they broke and blew up??
all this talk of racers bringing 2 and 3 spare motors to the track with them... do you think they have reciepts for them??? get a ******* clue. in the street racing days, when you blew a motor or a tranny, that meant that somebody was gonna wake up tomorow with thier car missing because i needed it's tranny.
those same street racers of yesterday are the import racing stars of today. yeah theres some sponsorship $$ involved now, but dont think that these arent the same ppl who they were a few years ago. everybody cheats in life a lil. weather its lying on your taxes, or 'borrowing' parts to build your race car. almost everybody has done it, and just because Tito's case was highly publicized, dont think for a second that he was the only one to ever do it.
and why would anyone be stupid to sponsor Tito just because he had a run in with the law?? that does not mean that he isn't still the creative, smart, and inovative racer he always was. Tito is a street racing legend in NYC. it has nothing to do with how he got the parts he was running, its all abot how he used them!!! same goes for al;l the little guys who are out there beating up on the big guys with the big spnsorship deals....
like i said, Siguel has NO SPONSOR and he's kicking everybody's ***. he does more with less$$$ because he knows what he is doing. with the budget that abel has, i'm sure siguel would remain untouchable.
same goes for Tito, he can build a car that runs harder than any other in its class, with just a fraction of the $$ the other guys have spent, immagine how much he will dominate if he has some good sponsor cash behind him?? thats the same question the potential sponsors will ask themselvs before handing Eddie Bello a contract to sign.
stop hating and admit to yourself that we live in an unperfect world. the sport is about making $$. winning cars generate $$, and those are the cars that companys will want to sponsor. PERIOD.
I wish Tito all the best in 2003
01-10-03, 06:57 PM
#10
if eddie is a peice of ****, then so are the majority of import racers out there.
you should just boycott the entire sport if thats how you feel.
and if that was my 911 sitting in Eddie's shop, i woulda had full coverage on it, and i'd be viper shopping right now
better yet, every time eddie flew down the track on annother 8 sec pass, i could point and scream "thats my car!!"
you should just boycott the entire sport if thats how you feel.
and if that was my 911 sitting in Eddie's shop, i woulda had full coverage on it, and i'd be viper shopping right now
better yet, every time eddie flew down the track on annother 8 sec pass, i could point and scream "thats my car!!"
01-10-03, 07:21 PM
#11
Rotary Freak
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: l.a.
Posts: 1,640
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally posted by SPEED_NYC
if eddie is a peice of ****, then so are the majority of import racers out there.
you should just boycott the entire sport if thats how you feel.
and if that was my 911 sitting in Eddie's shop, i woulda had full coverage on it, and i'd be viper shopping right now
better yet, every time eddie flew down the track on annother 8 sec pass, i could point and scream "thats my car!!"
if eddie is a peice of ****, then so are the majority of import racers out there.
you should just boycott the entire sport if thats how you feel.
and if that was my 911 sitting in Eddie's shop, i woulda had full coverage on it, and i'd be viper shopping right now
better yet, every time eddie flew down the track on annother 8 sec pass, i could point and scream "thats my car!!"
01-10-03, 07:59 PM
#12
Bourbon King
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 667
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally posted by SPEED_NYC
if eddie is a peice of ****, then so are the majority of import racers out there.
you should just boycott the entire sport if thats how you feel.
and if that was my 911 sitting in Eddie's shop, i woulda had full coverage on it, and i'd be viper shopping right now
better yet, every time eddie flew down the track on annother 8 sec pass, i could point and scream "thats my car!!"
if eddie is a peice of ****, then so are the majority of import racers out there.
you should just boycott the entire sport if thats how you feel.
and if that was my 911 sitting in Eddie's shop, i woulda had full coverage on it, and i'd be viper shopping right now
better yet, every time eddie flew down the track on annother 8 sec pass, i could point and scream "thats my car!!"
If other racers do the same thing then yes they are pieces of **** too, but dont give me that **** that the sport was founded on stolen cars. So whats up with defending all of these car theives? Is that how you put your T66 3rd Gen together?
01-10-03, 08:00 PM
#13
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Phoenix, Az
Posts: 1,049
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally posted by DELTA_Rotary
You know Id wager to say that if it was your 911 turbo that was cut up in pieces at Bellos Chop Shop you would have a different out look on it. I dont care if he is the best chassis, engine, suspension builder in the Import scene he is stil a scum bag piece of ****.
You know Id wager to say that if it was your 911 turbo that was cut up in pieces at Bellos Chop Shop you would have a different out look on it. I dont care if he is the best chassis, engine, suspension builder in the Import scene he is stil a scum bag piece of ****.
01-11-03, 12:18 AM
#15
WingmaN
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Fort Worth Texas
Posts: 4,324
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
So this guy had a chop shop and no one here seems to deny that, right? The only person that moreless defended him basically said that people need to have their cars insured so they can wave as he drives down a track with it?
Hopefully he will run into someone who owned a car he cut and they will jack his *** up hard.
Hopefully he will run into someone who owned a car he cut and they will jack his *** up hard.
01-11-03, 02:14 AM
#16
Originally posted by DELTA_Rotary
So whats up with defending all of these car theives? Is that how you put your T66 3rd Gen together?
So whats up with defending all of these car theives? Is that how you put your T66 3rd Gen together?
i put my heart and soul into my FD, and i swear that if a ************ tries to take it from me I'LL TAKE HIS HEART AND HIS SOUL!!!!
i was never defending stealing, i was just pointing out that if you guys think eddie was the only one in import racing to do it then you are fooling yourselvs. it seemed that eddie was being singled out. if car thievs should not be allowed to race, then there would only be half the racers there are now participating in the sport....
i'm done with this thread. but i still wish eddie all the best with the new car next season. he has paid his debt, leave him be....
01-11-03, 04:06 AM
#17
Rotary Enthusiast
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: las vegas, NV
Posts: 936
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I know this is a highly sensitive subject but SpeedNYC is right 100%. The racing scene.....especially the import scene is dominated by "dirty money". I don't think it's anything other than naive to think otherwise. I've been on both sides since the beginning and can tell you 1st hand some stories about some of the biggest names.
You'd be suprised at how many of the biggest names are where they are today because of the "dirty money".
The "dirty money" funds almost everything we do in life unfortunately. That's not opinion......it's fact! You can choose to believe or not......you can call me names.....but it's the truth and it isn't going to change.
I'm not saying that it's right.....but to alot of people it's a means to an end. It sure would be nice to be born into money......or have all the brains......or just be real lucky. But some people don't get those chances and have to make their own way. At the same time they have to deal with the consequences for their choices.
Eddie Bello made a choice.....obviously the wrong one. But, none the less he paid the consequences. I'm sure there are a few people who know the truth about what happened.....to the others.....
Must be nice to be perfect and never make mistakes huh?
You'd be suprised at how many of the biggest names are where they are today because of the "dirty money".
The "dirty money" funds almost everything we do in life unfortunately. That's not opinion......it's fact! You can choose to believe or not......you can call me names.....but it's the truth and it isn't going to change.
I'm not saying that it's right.....but to alot of people it's a means to an end. It sure would be nice to be born into money......or have all the brains......or just be real lucky. But some people don't get those chances and have to make their own way. At the same time they have to deal with the consequences for their choices.
Eddie Bello made a choice.....obviously the wrong one. But, none the less he paid the consequences. I'm sure there are a few people who know the truth about what happened.....to the others.....
Must be nice to be perfect and never make mistakes huh?
01-11-03, 10:14 AM
#18
Bourbon King
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 667
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally posted by silvr94r2
Must be nice to be perfect and never make mistakes huh?
Must be nice to be perfect and never make mistakes huh?
01-11-03, 03:35 PM
#19
WTB** Very Low Miles 94-95
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Tejas
Posts: 3,298
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
i dont know about this car jacking **** but that *** in silvr94's avatar is amazing!
sweet god I think Id rather pull up behind that than any of those racers cars.
either way Id be broke shortly after.
j
sweet god I think Id rather pull up behind that than any of those racers cars.
either way Id be broke shortly after.
j
01-11-03, 05:21 PM
#20
Rotary Enthusiast
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: las vegas, NV
Posts: 936
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally posted by DELTA_Rotary
If by mistakes you mean never stealing then YES it is nice to be perfect.
If by mistakes you mean never stealing then YES it is nice to be perfect.
I know alot of people that have done many bad things.....but they are still good people. They just got caught up in bad times. It happens. I've had my share of questionable actions......but i learned from them and grew from them as well. I think i'm a better person for it believe it or not.
Just me $.02
01-11-03, 05:54 PM
#21
WingmaN
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Fort Worth Texas
Posts: 4,324
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
???
The guy was a car thief? Believe it or not most people may have their faults and have made mistakes but some are worse than others.
With this reasoning you could say that a kid stealing candy is as bad as a mass murderer because they both did something wrong.
Some mistakes are momentary lapses in judgement. Some are much more premeditated.
Some people think that because they have done some really stupid things in their life that somehow that is just normal and "everybody does it".
Stealing cars is not the "norm" at any point in a person's life and it would be a bigger mistake than what most people would make during their course of life.
I am all for people changing and recognizing they were screw-ups. But if a person that led a life of stealing cars and crimes of that nature want to take comfort by believing they were no different than everyone else they may want to hang out with different people.
I guess if we can ever get on the original topic I would like to know more about Ibarra's new ride.
The guy was a car thief? Believe it or not most people may have their faults and have made mistakes but some are worse than others.
With this reasoning you could say that a kid stealing candy is as bad as a mass murderer because they both did something wrong.
Some mistakes are momentary lapses in judgement. Some are much more premeditated.
Some people think that because they have done some really stupid things in their life that somehow that is just normal and "everybody does it".
Stealing cars is not the "norm" at any point in a person's life and it would be a bigger mistake than what most people would make during their course of life.
I am all for people changing and recognizing they were screw-ups. But if a person that led a life of stealing cars and crimes of that nature want to take comfort by believing they were no different than everyone else they may want to hang out with different people.
I guess if we can ever get on the original topic I would like to know more about Ibarra's new ride.
01-11-03, 06:27 PM
#22
you're so ******* concerned with Abel, yet you call eddie scum?? like i hinted at earlier, do some research on abel and find out why the feds raided his house last year.
it had to do with his $$ making activities to support his race program..... and it was worse than anything eddie was accused of..
i could go on, about vinny ten and his parts gathering 'program'
point is this, if you hate stealing and dishonest behavior, dont just seperate yourself from eddie bello, seperate yourself from the sport!
MOST racers in the sport have gotten where they are by breaking the law in thier quest to be faster than the other guy..
before all the big sponsor $$ came to the bergenholtz team, do you think they were going to the honda dealer and buyying new engine blocks every time they blew one up? or do you think kenny tran was buying honda trannys buy the ******* dozen from his local honda dealer????
YOU are the ******* MORON if you cant admit to yourself that these people have done bad things. and the truth is that you and i have benifited from those bad things.
when you get advice on this forum from certain 'gurus' with lots of experience who have all the right answers, you have benifited from thier knowledge. If Abel and his drug dealing *** was on here giving out advice, you would gladly take it. his experience comes from dealing with lots of high powered rotaries, and i'm sure he has learned lots from (very expensive) trial and error. just remember that this trial and error process was made possible and funded by his illegal activities.
so now answer me this, would you still take his advice, and profit indirectly from his illegal activities???
if you say no, then get the **** off this forum, because i'm sure that most of the guys who know what thier talking about on here arent 'perfect' like you.
idiot........
it had to do with his $$ making activities to support his race program..... and it was worse than anything eddie was accused of..
i could go on, about vinny ten and his parts gathering 'program'
point is this, if you hate stealing and dishonest behavior, dont just seperate yourself from eddie bello, seperate yourself from the sport!
MOST racers in the sport have gotten where they are by breaking the law in thier quest to be faster than the other guy..
before all the big sponsor $$ came to the bergenholtz team, do you think they were going to the honda dealer and buyying new engine blocks every time they blew one up? or do you think kenny tran was buying honda trannys buy the ******* dozen from his local honda dealer????
YOU are the ******* MORON if you cant admit to yourself that these people have done bad things. and the truth is that you and i have benifited from those bad things.
when you get advice on this forum from certain 'gurus' with lots of experience who have all the right answers, you have benifited from thier knowledge. If Abel and his drug dealing *** was on here giving out advice, you would gladly take it. his experience comes from dealing with lots of high powered rotaries, and i'm sure he has learned lots from (very expensive) trial and error. just remember that this trial and error process was made possible and funded by his illegal activities.
so now answer me this, would you still take his advice, and profit indirectly from his illegal activities???
if you say no, then get the **** off this forum, because i'm sure that most of the guys who know what thier talking about on here arent 'perfect' like you.
idiot........
Originally posted by Scalliwag
???
The guy was a car thief? Believe it or not most people may have their faults and have made mistakes but some are worse than others.
With this reasoning you could say that a kid stealing candy is as bad as a mass murderer because they both did something wrong.
Some mistakes are momentary lapses in judgement. Some are much more premeditated.
Some people think that because they have done some really stupid things in their life that somehow that is just normal and "everybody does it".
Stealing cars is not the "norm" at any point in a person's life and it would be a bigger mistake than what most people would make during their course of life.
I am all for people changing and recognizing they were screw-ups. But if a person that led a life of stealing cars and crimes of that nature want to take comfort by believing they were no different than everyone else they may want to hang out with different people.
I guess if we can ever get on the original topic I would like to know more about Ibarra's new ride.
???
The guy was a car thief? Believe it or not most people may have their faults and have made mistakes but some are worse than others.
With this reasoning you could say that a kid stealing candy is as bad as a mass murderer because they both did something wrong.
Some mistakes are momentary lapses in judgement. Some are much more premeditated.
Some people think that because they have done some really stupid things in their life that somehow that is just normal and "everybody does it".
Stealing cars is not the "norm" at any point in a person's life and it would be a bigger mistake than what most people would make during their course of life.
I am all for people changing and recognizing they were screw-ups. But if a person that led a life of stealing cars and crimes of that nature want to take comfort by believing they were no different than everyone else they may want to hang out with different people.
I guess if we can ever get on the original topic I would like to know more about Ibarra's new ride.
01-11-03, 07:30 PM
#23
WingmaN
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Fort Worth Texas
Posts: 4,324
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Well fortunately we have what is called a justice system. So we don't have to go off of peoples opinions like yours. If Abel or any of these other guys are ever convicted of what you accuse him and others of doing then I would say the same about them.
You may have first hand knowledge on what you are accusing them of, but I don't.
You view me as an idiot because I don't buy into this bullshit? Give me a break. And don't expect people to quit visiting this forum because they do not agree with your ideaology.
There are some basic rights. Freedom of speech is one and a right to due process for those accused of crimes is another.
I'm not going to bother hiring PI's to check out everyone in this sport. But if a jury convicted someone of running a chop shop and I KNOW about it I am not exactly going to put them high on my buddy list either.
I'm not going to assume the worst in people because someone else thinks the majority of people in this sport are thugs that have just avoided prosecution.
You may have first hand knowledge on what you are accusing them of, but I don't.
You view me as an idiot because I don't buy into this bullshit? Give me a break. And don't expect people to quit visiting this forum because they do not agree with your ideaology.
There are some basic rights. Freedom of speech is one and a right to due process for those accused of crimes is another.
I'm not going to bother hiring PI's to check out everyone in this sport. But if a jury convicted someone of running a chop shop and I KNOW about it I am not exactly going to put them high on my buddy list either.
I'm not going to assume the worst in people because someone else thinks the majority of people in this sport are thugs that have just avoided prosecution.
01-11-03, 08:24 PM
#24
Bourbon King
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 667
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally posted by SPEED_NYC
you're so ******* concerned with Abel, yet you call eddie scum?? like i hinted at earlier, do some research on abel and find out why the feds raided his house last year.
it had to do with his $$ making activities to support his race program..... and it was worse than anything eddie was accused of..
i could go on, about vinny ten and his parts gathering 'program'
point is this, if you hate stealing and dishonest behavior, dont just seperate yourself from eddie bello, seperate yourself from the sport!
MOST racers in the sport have gotten where they are by breaking the law in thier quest to be faster than the other guy..
before all the big sponsor $$ came to the bergenholtz team, do you think they were going to the honda dealer and buyying new engine blocks every time they blew one up? or do you think kenny tran was buying honda trannys buy the ******* dozen from his local honda dealer????
YOU are the ******* MORON if you cant admit to yourself that these people have done bad things. and the truth is that you and i have benifited from those bad things.
when you get advice on this forum from certain 'gurus' with lots of experience who have all the right answers, you have benifited from thier knowledge. If Abel and his drug dealing *** was on here giving out advice, you would gladly take it. his experience comes from dealing with lots of high powered rotaries, and i'm sure he has learned lots from (very expensive) trial and error. just remember that this trial and error process was made possible and funded by his illegal activities.
so now answer me this, would you still take his advice, and profit indirectly from his illegal activities???
if you say no, then get the **** off this forum, because i'm sure that most of the guys who know what thier talking about on here arent 'perfect' like you.
idiot........
you're so ******* concerned with Abel, yet you call eddie scum?? like i hinted at earlier, do some research on abel and find out why the feds raided his house last year.
it had to do with his $$ making activities to support his race program..... and it was worse than anything eddie was accused of..
i could go on, about vinny ten and his parts gathering 'program'
point is this, if you hate stealing and dishonest behavior, dont just seperate yourself from eddie bello, seperate yourself from the sport!
MOST racers in the sport have gotten where they are by breaking the law in thier quest to be faster than the other guy..
before all the big sponsor $$ came to the bergenholtz team, do you think they were going to the honda dealer and buyying new engine blocks every time they blew one up? or do you think kenny tran was buying honda trannys buy the ******* dozen from his local honda dealer????
YOU are the ******* MORON if you cant admit to yourself that these people have done bad things. and the truth is that you and i have benifited from those bad things.
when you get advice on this forum from certain 'gurus' with lots of experience who have all the right answers, you have benifited from thier knowledge. If Abel and his drug dealing *** was on here giving out advice, you would gladly take it. his experience comes from dealing with lots of high powered rotaries, and i'm sure he has learned lots from (very expensive) trial and error. just remember that this trial and error process was made possible and funded by his illegal activities.
so now answer me this, would you still take his advice, and profit indirectly from his illegal activities???
if you say no, then get the **** off this forum, because i'm sure that most of the guys who know what thier talking about on here arent 'perfect' like you.
idiot........
So now your trying group the knowledgable members on the board with stealing cars and dealing drugs? Because they MUST have funded their cars and parts thru those means because hard work couldnt POSSIBLY be the answer!? Your obviously a made from the same mold that bello was cast from. You have the morals and conscience that match his. I really pray you get a dose of your own **** one day.
And as far as taking advice from someone who is considered a guru but might have been involved with illegal ****. I can answer that very easy. I can even answer that one for 99% of the members on this forum. If we found out about their past we would tell them to **** OFF! Did you forget AARotary? Everybody LOVED his car. Asked him thousands of questions. People thought he was one of the best members of the board. Remember what happend as soon as we found out he had stolen the majority of those parts!? HE WAS LABELED AS ****** SCUM. He cant even show his face on here anymore. The majority of the members here dont have any simpathy for scum like him. And if you think otherwise, why dont YOU get the **** off this forum.
Last edited by DELTA_Rotary; 01-11-03 at 08:30 PM.
01-11-03, 08:30 PM
#25
Airflow is my life
Originally posted by SPEED_NYC
i put my heart and soul into my FD, and i swear that if a ************ tries to take it from me I'LL TAKE HIS HEART AND HIS SOUL!!!!
i put my heart and soul into my FD, and i swear that if a ************ tries to take it from me I'LL TAKE HIS HEART AND HIS SOUL!!!!