artguy

Im in agreement with delta and scalliwag for the most part.

I built my car own my own dollar and my own time. I have tens of thousands in that machine total (including the car) and it is all my own parts. Im not racing competitively but if i were it would be the same. I have true respect for those who have learned from their own hard work.

I would have nothing to do with those who would steal from those trying to do things right. Their sharing of the knowledge they gain is not wrong.. its the thievery that will put them behind bars.

speed nyc is obviously one born from the cave of "the easy way out" and it seems he sees the error of his ways (thats what happens when you finally have enough stuff to worry that others might pilfer your stash....right?).

I dont think he is supporting their actions here...he is just stating that it is a dirty business. that may be the case...but if it is...they will eventually be caught and presecuted.



j

Scalliwag

He seems to have a bigger problem that most of us want to know what Abel has going on but we have discounted Bello as a dirtbag.
He may very well have first hand knowledge that many of these people are involved in criminal activity. It may be more that people that do commit these type of crimes do not exactly advertise the fact unless they are comfortable with the person they are disclosing to.

If someone is comfortable enough to tell you about their crimininal activity you may want to change your lifestyle. That almost sounds like a "you might be a redneck if" jokes! "You may be a thug if..."
I would not want to be someone that a crook was comfortable to let me know the **** they were up to.
I also have a lot more patience with teenagers that make dumbass mistakes than I do adults.
I can guarantee you that the prisons are full of people that will admit they committed crimes but have all kinds of reasons they seemed to think they should be exempt from the law.
If Bello is now an ex-con he has to deal with a parole officer. If he is back on the same track and involved with some of the same people he was with before, it is just a matter of time before he breaks parole and gets another stay in the big house.
Most people here will probably admit that you can be far from perfect and still not be felon material.
You read threads where people are wanting to do a bunch of nice stuff to their cars but it is taking time because they do not have the money. Of course they want to do all of these great things to their cars but most of them don't even consider commiting crimes to get it.
You would be a worthless thug if that option crosses your mind.
Last week we had 4 white trash people skip a $130 check at a resteraunt and ran over and killed the waitress when she tried to get their license plate. There are people in this world that are just scum.
While someone on this forum may think that they are not perfect "like me" I tend to think that they are too fucked up for society. While we all may fall under a level of imperfection, there are different levels of imperfection.

SPEED_NYC

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finally someone gets it. i never condoned stealing. i just wanted ppl to realize that eddie is not the only 'bad seed' in the sport. i'll say it clearly I THINK IT IS WRONG TO STEAL!! i just wanted to point out to ppl that the thievery and conduct eddie was caught for is rampant in this sport. i think its wrong to wish eddie crashes his car just because he has broken the law in the past. if the man has paid his debt to society, give him a chance to live his life the right way now.

for the record, i have never stolen any cars or parts to build any of my past projects. i have on occasion bought parts from ppl, even though i knew they were stolen. now that i'm older and wiser i have made a commitment not to put any parts of questionable origin on my car.

believe me, if i thought it was ok to steal to build my car, i'd have the sickest FD on the east coast right now. instead, i work my *** off trying to save up $$ for my next mod......

silvr94r2

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I'll keep this thread on it's present out of bounds heading

I think everyone is being too hard on SpeedNYC (or just using his name as a general reference?) It's soooo easy to be judgemental huh? If you've broken the law then your a baaaad person! I agree within reason......but if you want we could go deep and look at the corruption at the highest levels of society. How honest do you think the government is? Boy i could tell you some stories that would blow your minds.

I just don't get the witch hunt here........if you've done something wrong your scum? Because you've broken the law you should be branded? Should the people have to wear a certain color shirt so we can tell them apart from the rest? You can never change and get your life straight if it's gone off course?

It's useless trying to explain this anymore i guess. I'll just say this........things aren't always as they seem and it's totally different behind the scenes.

One for the record........a very highly respected rotary tuner that everyone looks up to and buys parts from was about an inch from getting banned by all the drag racing assoc. for cheating Would that be on the same level as stealing? Or is it racing?

Red-Rx7

Whom might that be? I am curious to know. PM Me.

fdracer

but he is. he all but said it's alright to jack someone's car cause he's got insurance. he also said he'd be chearing on the person who raced w/ his stolen motor. now he's trying to play it off like eddie bello just made a mistake, like he just jaywalked or shoplifted. the fact is he ran a huge luxury car theft ring. you're a dumbfuck speed_nyc. i ****** know what's going on out there so don't try and think you're educating me. remember viet lam, where do you think he is now? just because you think everybody's doing it doesn't make it right. personally, i think jacking cars by people who are car and race enthuisasts is one of the worst things someone can do, it's like stabbing a friend in the back. you know how much someone can love their car yet you're willing to steal it anyway. we're supposed to watch out for each other not jack each other's ****.

SPEED_NYC

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the insurance thing was a serious statement meaning that anyone who owns a 911 turbo should have enough sense to insure it

the part about cheering somebody on who was racing with parts he stole from me is a joke. open your eyes ppl

silvr94r2

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FDracer: you know a few people huh? Have we met before? You must be old school to bring Viet up I helped him wrench a few times when they came down here to race.

That was back in the Cyber vs. Wicked days

Scalliwag

Everyone reacts differently and has different views on this subject. Right or wrong I think of things moreless on a gradient scale. Even though criminal prosecution is far from perfect it is the best example I can think of. There are different lengths and types of punishments for different crimes. Any action that breaks a law is technically a crime. Going 56 in a 55 is technically a crime.
Some crimes do not have any impact on others and some crimes have unthinkable impact on others.
Intent, premeditation, frame of mind (if something provoked a reasonable person to enough anger to react in a criminal way)= like someone throws a bottle at your car and it hits you or a passenger. You beat the ****** within an inch of his life in the heat of the moment. That scenerio would be different than if you beat the hell out of someone for the hell of it.

Someone that ran a chop shop is a lot different than a teen going on a joyride.
Cheating in a sport has a somewhat similar punishment structure. But I am sure as with all laws their are people that get away with things and people the receive either too harsh or light a punishment.
But if anyone thinks that someone that ran a chop shop should be greeted back into the fold with arms wide open is expecting a little much. Anyone that thinks we should respond with some "blanket" level of disgust for all wrongdoing is not very reasonable as well.
That would be the same as executing someone for gpong 5 miles over the speed limit because after all.... he did break the law.

turbostreetfighter

viet lam????that is a blast from the past!!! i used to help him out when he came to texas back in the day! what did happen to him?

MWW

rxrotary2_7

i stayed out of this argument, but i cant help myself anymore. roan and elliot, you are both completely right!

these two (silver94r2 and speed_nyc) do not have the "wool pulled over their eyes". this **** goes on and has gone on for MANY years and is a huge reason the sport is where it is.
i think there are many guys out there that feel the actions of the past are wrong and are only going to lead to trouble and have made changes. yes times were different in the past for many people, and other people's *times* have not changed. and you know what... as most of you know...it is HARD to build a car on clean money. but it is so much easier on the mind and easy to sleep at night and past actions are regreted sure they were nice and the easy way out...but....
i am not going to go into details of anything, but some of you need to wake up. do you honestly know of a job out there that would allow you to attend all these events, build a r100 to those specs, then come back and build a full frame 3rd gen w/ out having to sell you original project, and still be able to afford a house? as far as i know, Able did not have any backing until recently. no major backing at least.
i am not condoning this sort of thing, claiming anything, pointing any fingers or saying anything at all. all the parts on my current cars are paid for by legitimit money.

basicly all i am going to say that if you all think these people you look up to are inoccent people.... you are saddy mistaken and need to realize that.

BTW elliot, i did get the thing you mailed me. i will PM you.

SPEED_NYC

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OK, now at least 2 other ppl get it...

rxrotary2_7

Scalliwag- i do agree to a point that these people should not be accepted "with open arms" as i believe you put it. but should the people that go on without getting nailed be accepted? seems like a double standard to me.

RX794

OK, I was gonna keep shut about this, BUT I guess I'll add something to this. I know Eddie personally, and I think what people need to do is realize something, he's paid his debt to society as far as what happened. He also didn't have control of alot of what was happening at the time because he wasn't the only one at the shop. He was just renting a little space in the back of the shop that could barely fit 2 cars, the OTHER people that were at the other side of the shop were doing illegal activities, and when the police came for them, they came for EVERYBODY THERE, he just happened to be pretty famous, and got singled out in the press, but there were like 20something people involved in that case. As far as everyone thinking that illegal activities haven't supported the sport in it's infancy, you people aren't being realistic, it's been going on forever(I'm talking in general here), I'm not saying that this is right by ANY means, I also believe that if you do something wrong you should be punished for it, BUT it does happen, this is unfortunately the reality of the sport. Hopefully everyone can look beyond what's happened in the past and leave it well enough alone. Eddie has regretted what's happened, and trust me, he's a totally different person at how the way he looks at life, sometimes people make life effecting mistakes in their lives, but they can either learn from them, and change how they carry themselves, OR they can continue the same ol ways and just self distruct, Eddie has definately learned from this bad experience and has made very positive moves in his life by staying away from people that can get you into situations like that. I wish him the best in the future. Like I said before, I DO NOT think that doing anything illegal, or morally wrong, is right in ANY case! All I'm saying is give the guy a second chance, you sometimes can't control what goes around you. People make mistakes and can change for the better, society, and racing of course. Everyone thinks that because of what happened he'll never get a sponsor and nothing good will happen to him, reality is that once you start running the numbers, they will come, I think that's why some racers get into situations the way that they do, it's the light of the end result. Sponsors usually don't reward hard workers, or people that can barely stay alive in the sport, knowing very well that if they gave that person some sponsorship $ they would probably dominate their class, instead they give the $ to the guy who has TONS of $ already, and is doing good in his class not necessarily because he/she is talented and can make with what they have, but because they have $ and can BUY(tech guys, etc.) the talent needed to win races. This is reality.

SPEED_NYC

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very well put J

i need your opinion on something, i'll try to call you next week

rxrotary2_7

VERY well put!

silvr94r2

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RX794: Bravo! I think you made sense of what we all were trying to say. Thank-you for that

I don't think there's much left to say.....

Keith: sorry it took so long.....i made a couple of mistakes even after my girl forgot. I'll PM you....

Redrx7: i can't really say.....sorry.....i made a promise to alot of people to keep it quiet (the name at least). Let's just say it's someone very big in the rotary scene along with a few of his associates (other big names). It's rather disappointing

silvr94r2

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I've heard some different stories over the years but i don't really know the truth.

I actually got to drive that beast once! What a blast that was!

lane_change

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So, he is going to run an RX8 huh?

What an off topic post, this is like 5 degrees of Abel Ibarra. And we ended up with all sorts of criminals, from convicted felons to almost convicted to mystery felons. What a fun post. I know that criminal activity has its roots deep into the American Society from politics to import racing. No big deal. It has always been there and will always be there. The main concerns I have are about the politics of import racing. Since Bello was convicted, justly or unjustly, regardless convicted, is that he is allowed back into the racing industry. I am sure that most sports would not condone this act, if you were convicted of illegal activity involving your sport, you should not be allowed back in, now if you are convicted of drug charges that really have no direct relation to your sport than a second chance should be given. Running a Chop Shop and competing in the auto industry should be a black listed event. Sorry, you're on the list, you can't come in.

silvr94r2

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I can't wait to see Abel's car! It should be nice

Ok....enough on topic for me

How about Tim Allen? Wasn't he a bigtime drug dealer and served time for it? He then became an actor.....then partners with Saleen on the race team. So can't people change and be productive members of society? I don't really think drug dealing and car theft is up there with murder and rape is it? (let the flames fly) I know people will say drug dealing leads to everything else......but i'm talking about adults taking and selling drugs to other adults. No kids involved! I know this sounds kind of silly.....but please say you understand where i'm coming from

silvr94r2

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Keith: Like me avator? I can't decide which one is better.......i think my girl looks pretty damn good but she doesn't have the butt like the other one. I guess i'll just keep switching back and forth

rxrotary2_7

how many times do i have to tell you? i would rather you not use pictures of my wife as your AV!! LMAO!!! j/k. you do what you want, but i think that pic is the BEST!! not for any particular reason, more for the pure fact of using the lighting w/ that bathingsuit.
did you get my email?

silvr94r2

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sure did.....sent you one back.

Hey! all i know is she gave me permission to use the pic I like this one also.....but the a*s shot is hard to deny

lane_change

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Double post during my edit..... sorry....

lane_change

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Like I said earlier, if your conviction is in relation to your profession then you should not be allowed in that profession, not shunned form society. If you are a pharmacist who is also an illegal drug dealer, than you should not be allowed to be a pharmacist after you serve your time. I know it is an odd example. Tim Allen doing drugs then going on TV, those are not related, stealing cars and being a race car driver, those are related.

Also, I remember when you used to use that avatar. The *** is nice, but it can't compare with the other side of the rainbow. I love that pic.