Rotary Car Performance General Rotary Car and Engine modification discussions.

Can i do a bridge and a peripheral port

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Feb 9, 2008 | 09:12 PM
  #1  
lizardsbba's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
From: San Luis Obispo, CA
Can i do a bridge and a peripheral port

titles kinda self explanatory. if so why or why not. and whats better or what should i do and can i do it myself like buy a template.
Reply
Old Feb 9, 2008 | 09:42 PM
  #2  
61620B's Avatar
Rotary Enthusiast
Tenured Member: 20 Years
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 991
Likes: 1
From: Los Angeles
Lots of practice for both and good machinery.

Also need some good tools.
Reply
Old Feb 10, 2008 | 03:43 AM
  #3  
RETed's Avatar
Lives on the Forum
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 26,664
Likes: 22
From: n
You can but why?

BP gives you advantages due to it's duration and early opening.
The PP gives you both with a LOT more.
Unless you're talking about a really tiny PP?


-Ted
Reply
Old Feb 10, 2008 | 10:04 AM
  #4  
lizardsbba's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
From: San Luis Obispo, CA
so i should just do a pp? were can i get a template for that and about how hard is it?
Reply
Old Feb 10, 2008 | 10:55 AM
  #5  
RETed's Avatar
Lives on the Forum
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 26,664
Likes: 22
From: n
If you're asking how to do it...don't.


-Ted
Reply
Old Feb 10, 2008 | 11:12 AM
  #6  
ericgrau's Avatar
Clean.
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,521
Likes: 3
From: Huntington Beach, CA
Most people do a street port or bridgeport because it's a lot easier. But a peripheral port makes more power than a bridgeport. A street port is still popular in spite of lower power because it doesn't have the practical problems that a bridgeport or peripheral port has. That's why it'd be nigh impossible to see a bridgeport or peripheral port in a factory car, whereas larger and larger "street ports" are coming with each new rotary model.
Reply
Old Feb 10, 2008 | 12:15 PM
  #7  
Black91n/a's Avatar
Lives on the Forum
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 5,707
Likes: 6
From: BC, Canada
Generally speaking, NO. A PP has tons of volume and timing already, you probably can't make use of any more from the side ports.

If it's for street use then don't PP. To get it quiet enough for street use you'll be severely choking it and it'll be way down on power. At that point you'll be making about as much as you would with a good bridge, where the bridge would be a lot cheaper.

Do yourself a favour and do a lot of research on both before doing anything about it.
Reply
Old Feb 10, 2008 | 03:14 PM
  #8  
t-von's Avatar
Rotor Head Extreme
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 6,719
Likes: 26
From: Midland Texas
Originally Posted by RETed
If you're asking how to do it...don't.


-Ted


LOL You crack me up Ted.
Reply
Old Feb 10, 2008 | 06:55 PM
  #9  
Zero R's Avatar
Just in time to die
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 4,143
Likes: 2
From: look behind you
Originally Posted by Black91n/a
Generally speaking, NO. A PP has tons of volume and timing already, you probably can't make use of any more from the side ports.
There's a few people out there running combo bridge, P-Port's they must have some secret figured out
Reply
Old Feb 10, 2008 | 07:16 PM
  #10  
Black91n/a's Avatar
Lives on the Forum
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 5,707
Likes: 6
From: BC, Canada
Well there's a semi-PP, then there's a PP. With the semi it's just a very small peripheral port in addition to the side ports, not like a traditional full sized PP. You probably couldn't get a 13B to run, or at least not well with PP housings and bridgeported irons. You probably could never get enough exhaust port to match it.
Reply
Old Feb 10, 2008 | 07:22 PM
  #11  
diabolical1's Avatar
Moderator
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 10,998
Likes: 349
From: FL
Originally Posted by Black91n/a
Well there's a semi-PP, then there's a PP. With the semi it's just a very small peripheral port in addition to the side ports, not like a traditional full sized PP. You probably couldn't get a 13B to run, or at least not well with PP housings and bridgeported irons. You probably could never get enough exhaust port to match it.
bingo! if you want to run a combination, you'll have to compromise on the size and timing of the peripherals. the main two reasons i see are both for the sake of getting the motor to run right and also, the gross complication of getting/making an intake manifold. however, getting appropriate exhaust, as mentioned earlier, will also become an issue if you're going to try to run full-sized peripherals with the side-ports still functioning.
Reply
Old Feb 10, 2008 | 07:27 PM
  #12  
diabolical1's Avatar
Moderator
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 10,998
Likes: 349
From: FL
Originally Posted by RETed
If you're asking how to do it...don't.


-Ted
i agree with Ted.
Reply
Old Feb 11, 2008 | 06:43 PM
  #13  
t-von's Avatar
Rotor Head Extreme
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 6,719
Likes: 26
From: Midland Texas
Originally Posted by Zero R
There's a few people out there running combo bridge, P-Port's they must have some secret figured out


You must be talking about Judge ITO. He was running a full bridge and semi PP on his drag RX3 (I think). It was a straight runner set-up and made PP numbers to the rear wheels. The thread is over at Nopistons.
Reply
Old Feb 12, 2008 | 09:48 AM
  #14  
rotaryinspired's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 700
Likes: 0
From: Oklahoma City
He could be talking about people not on this board and who don't want to show off their set ups.
Reply
Old Feb 12, 2008 | 01:33 PM
  #15  
Zero R's Avatar
Just in time to die
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 4,143
Likes: 2
From: look behind you
Originally Posted by t-von
You must be talking about Judge ITO. He was running a full bridge and semi PP on his drag RX3 (I think). It was a straight runner set-up and made PP numbers to the rear wheels. The thread is over at Nopistons.
He is one yes, and to me a P-port is a P-port regardless of size. Combo-port, semi P-port, etc. are all backyard descriptions to a solution. As example, I would say ITO runs a combo-port, you would say he runs a bridge port and a semi p-port. Who is wrong here?

~S~
Reply
Old Feb 12, 2008 | 02:52 PM
  #16  
Black91n/a's Avatar
Lives on the Forum
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 5,707
Likes: 6
From: BC, Canada
Well there really needs to be a better description than just peripheral port in my oppinion, because that offers no information on the timing, positionning or size of the port. It'd be like calling all side ports simply side ports. Not very informative. See what I mean?

To me a PP means HUGE ports, and if they're something smaller and auxiliary there should be some sort of descriptive adjective associated with them to convey that information.
Reply
Old Feb 12, 2008 | 03:07 PM
  #17  
Zero R's Avatar
Just in time to die
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 4,143
Likes: 2
From: look behind you
Here's a simple solution "I run small peripheral ports" there you go , trying to say timing should be included goes under the same argument as we've been having.

Combining a P-port and a side port would only make sense to be called a combination port or combi-port. You can't really have a semi p-port if you think about it. It either has a P-port or it doesn't.

~S~
Reply
Old Feb 12, 2008 | 06:15 PM
  #18  
t-von's Avatar
Rotor Head Extreme
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 6,719
Likes: 26
From: Midland Texas
Originally Posted by Zero R
He is one yes, and to me a P-port is a P-port regardless of size. Combo-port, semi P-port, etc. are all backyard descriptions to a solution. As example, I would say ITO runs a combo-port, you would say he runs a bridge port and a semi p-port. Who is wrong here?

~S~


No one!
Reply
Old Feb 12, 2008 | 06:21 PM
  #19  
t-von's Avatar
Rotor Head Extreme
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 6,719
Likes: 26
From: Midland Texas
Well if it were me, I would just call it a bridge PP engine or a half bridge pp engine. I think most in the rotary comunity would know exactly what I meant. If it had regular side ports, then I would just call it a side/pp engine.

That's just my opinion.
Reply
Old Feb 12, 2008 | 06:29 PM
  #20  
13B-RX3's Avatar
7s before paint!!!
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 3,814
Likes: 0
From: Philly/Texas
Reply
Old Feb 12, 2008 | 10:36 PM
  #21  
ultimatejay's Avatar
Eats, Sleeps, Dreams Rotary
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 4,148
Likes: 4
From: California
A p-port is an intake port directly in the side of the rotor housing- regardless of size and timing it's a p-port. A semi-pport is a combination of both the p-port and the normal side ports in the irons. Alot of the top dogs are running this combination because I think it gives the power good low and top end. Most I have seen have a reletively small p-port with a big bridgeport like the semi- p-port Allen posted above.
Reply
Old Feb 13, 2008 | 09:38 PM
  #22  
t-von's Avatar
Rotor Head Extreme
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 6,719
Likes: 26
From: Midland Texas
^ Yep that's Judge ITO's work. I think someone in the 20b section maybe trying to duplicate that set-up.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
danielbradley2
3rd Generation Specific (1993-2002)
11
Sep 28, 2015 10:44 PM
josef 91 vert
2nd Generation Specific (1986-1992)
14
Sep 17, 2015 09:22 PM
scissorhands
New Member RX-7 Technical
0
Sep 16, 2015 01:25 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:15 AM.