silverTRD

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a modified 7 against a slightly modified viper should be an interesting race. i think it would come down to a drivers race, both cars are not very forgiving, so knowing the area would help a great deal as well.

DanicaTimesSeven

Quick and Fast are different things entirely. Quick is straight-line performance. A Viper is Quick, not Fast. Fast is track performance; cornering ability. The RX-7 is a fast car. If Viper's don't corner well at all, then it's not fast - It's quick.

kevinvr6

iTrader: (1)

a one mile race? man gas is pricey these days

von

Im glad they didnt race you. Not everybody is fast n furious. Sometimes older poeple with more exotic cars don't care weather their car can get beat by a 7.

Saw a 900hp viper run at the stadium last year. I think it got high high 5's low 6's in the 1/8th. Hard to compete against a 7 litre engine.

dumpsterdriver

nothing personal but this post is retarded. stock for stock and mod for mod a viper would own a 7 or damn near any other car on the planet around a track or in a straight line. you can be a clueless fanboy all day long but dont forget the reality doesnt care what you think.


**** tons more power, torque instantly and anywhere you need it, and better cornering ability as evidenced by the wide margin of difference between the two cars skidpad numbers, and yet you somehow think the 7 is faster?


explain your logic. please.

Shinobi-X

I believe your definition will differ depending on who you ask. Some people look at quick being a car which makes a low 0-6/1/4 mile times, while 'fast' could be a car with a high trap speed. On a course quick could be stalom speed/lateral acceleration, while fast could be outright acceleration and speed with low lap times. Both cars are quick and fast by any definition, but if the lowest time matters, then the viper has the edge in many areas.

dumpsterdriver

^^^



thats what quick and fast have always meant in my circles.

black99

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**** tons more power, torque instantly and anywhere you need it, and better cornering ability as evidenced by the wide margin of difference between the two cars skidpad numbers, and yet you somehow think the 7 is faster?


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I would agree unless the fd was very very modded he standed a big chance of losing and even if he was packing mucho horsepower and a great driver there would have been a slim chance. Danicas definition was just his definition there is nothing stating what quick is and what fast is. Both the same imo and not worth arguing over.

21K95RX7

many pros say skidpad numbers stats are overrated, and how old is the FD? 11-13 years old, and your comparing numbers from a brand new high performance vehicle...all you have to do is put stiffer springs on the FD and its above your magical 1g number.

Henessey

^your clearly missing the point. There are other cars in the universe that can take a corner besides an rx7.

and of course the pros say its overrated, its thier job, they know a car inside and out and how to maximise performance. 90% or more of you (any car not just 7s) Think your cars are track monsters and have taken a couple of high speed turns screeched some tire and think your cornering fast. Bet you havent experienced 1/2 of what your cars can do, sit in a car with a professional and you will either **** your pants, pass, out, or just look like a bitch for 2 1/2 minutes.

Yea your car pulls X.x on the skidpad but what can YOU do with it?

BlkS5TII

I'd like to see some slalom speeds, since to me that is a much better judge on actual handling ability. Lateral G's are more about how sticky the tires are, and have lost any viability in my mind after I saw a near stock 1994 Mustang pull over 1g with just a set of good tires.

To the guy that thinks the Viper can beat most anything on a track, get a clue. There are much better cars for the money including one that is American.

21K95RX7

your clearly missing my point. if you you actually read my post. i was simply saying that there is more to handling that skidpad stats, and if you put modern suspension equipment on an FD it will pull a over a G on the skidpad. no where in my thread did i say that FD's were the only cars in the universe that can take a corner.

clean85owner

Ahhh.... But now you are comparing apples to oranges. Stock vs. Modified is no longer fair.

If you are going to modify something on one car, you have to do the same to the other car to keep this comparible.

Don't bring in 11-13 year old suspension not being crisp anymore, either. I pulled numbers from when the car was new.

The fact of the matter is, the statements that Vipers can't handle are pure and utter bullshit.

Henessey

^its the stone age misconception that american cars are huge blocks of steel with slicks and hill bily joe at the wheel. Welcome to 2006

off topic: (no im not a fan i do NOT support drifting)
But its been kept under radar by "JDM" tuners, but this year a young AMERICAN guy in an AMERICAN 05/06 MUSTANG, WON the D1 drift competition. If it was a Silva it would be on every magazine, **** it would be on CNN.

And you cant say im biased... i dont own a Domestic car.

21K95RX7

yes i was comparing apples to oranges because you were. in my eyes if you have read other posts by myself. certain things i dont see as modifications, i see them as "modernifications" (i have a patent pending so none of you can use my word jk ). but if you want to compare apples to apples compare a 93 R1 to a 93 viper. other than straightline performance in which the FD wasn't totally blown out of the water, the FD won everything else. im just saying the FD was probably the best track under 100k in its day. can you say that about the 2006 viper? no i'll give that nod to the z06

Henessey

In 1993 id take a viper over an rx7 or a supra, i wouldnt care if i lost to some kid in an rx7, id be going home in a status car, yea, it gets the bitches.

NOTICE MY EMHPASIS ON 1993

21K95RX7

i don't see how a mustang winning D1 drift makes it a good handling vehicle. when i watch drift i just see a buch of controlled mayhem.

21K95RX7

well i guess some of you need all the help you can get

Miata_mx5

Rx7 is 40,000.

The Viper is close to 90,000.

It BETTER outhandle and outperform an FD. But if you invest similar amounts of money into the Rx7, for less money you can have Viper beating performance.

olyrx7

iTrader: (3)

I have had people that think my FD is way better then a Viper in both looks and performance and others just laugh when you say Mazda RX-7.

But the reality is that there is some very bad-*** FD's on the street and there is also some seriously modified Vipers that are just putting down some insane numbers. Either way I am sure these owners either heard or new of someone that was beaten by an FD, hence there hesitation to race.

Personally I would not be racing a Viper with only stock twins, but I do feel very confident with my GReddy t-88 @ 17psi.

dumpsterdriver

way to completely miss the point there homes

Shinobi-X

Most people have FDs because they couldn't or can't afford the entry price of a viper. That said, its unrealistic to say that even 10% of FD owners would have the difference of $50k +/- to dump into a car, which still wouldn't hold its market value for the amount in mods invested...which I'm also hoping includes a vehicle that passes emissions and is street legal. Granted, you could outperform a viper with far less than $50k spent, but it's an argument that could be made anywhere, about most any car, of any time.

We could just as well propose the challenge of asking Mazda to build and market a car in that 80k+ price range, and see if they can pull it off. My bet says that Mazda could not sell such a car, if they couldn't even sell a $40k FD, meaning all is relative.

Henessey

a friend of mine has a 7 with a t88, demonically fast I trade him for my car . BUT your going to need more than that, something along the lines of an inducted 3 rotor. in order to take on a Hennessey TT viper. By the time your lagging his NA 500 hp will have already beat you by a few cars. THEN his twins kick in. you get the picture. But then again a Hennessey aint cheap.

AKTWUALLY... lol.

I fear for my life after that movie.

AWD-RWD racer

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i dont know what it is about the 7. maybe from the movies or something, but as most people here know, mine is broken. About a week ago I was driving and came to a redlight and an EVO 8 rolled up next to me. I gave him a head nod to say "hello" and immediatly he insisted on not racing, I didnt even ask him to. He backed out just b/c it was a 7. Little did he know my **** is broken and he would have stomped the **** outa me. I guess its a reputation thing. Your guess is as good as mine.

PS his car wasnt stock either

21K95RX7

fear of the unknown...its a beautiful thing.