2ndGen.rocket

I don't think the guy on the RC51V was racing you, or maybe he was a shitty rider. You shouldn't have beaten that bike.

fcrx88

wait so how many people are coming to this race. is this gonna be a big rx7 vs bike throwdown?

FDNewbie

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Shouldn't wouldn't couldn't etc etc. What happened happened, and I'll take it any way it comes

It's only a 5 lane highway, so I'd think the most we can fit is 5 vehicles (2 FDs and 3 bikes) safetly. But hey, I don't mind others comin to watch etc. The more bikes and FDs there are, the harder it'll be to catch any of us

fcrx88

the harder it will be to catch all of us but the more people there the easier it will be ot spot. hmmm 2 or 3 bikes and 2 fd pushin for all there worth. ya thatll be inconspicuous

Shinobi-X

Someone is looking to add to their little collection of offenses. I see you've been busy Ramy.

fcrx88

ya i have no more space for tickets. **** i have court on the 9th for speed greater than reasonable and driving on suspended.

FDNewbie

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OMG no. You have no idea. I have a ticket on probation and an insurance re-evaluation in early July. So I'm tryin to stay 100%. But c'mon...how often do you get a chance to race such awesome bikes, and under preset conditions, w/ several cameras rolling??

I'm gonna say it again, in case it wasn't clear the first time. The ONLY way I'll do this is if we run the stretch a few times, we know the upcoming exits, openings in the median (hopefully none in that area), possible exit (aka escape) routes), and we have at least 3 cars helping us monitor for po-po. One up ahead, one near the end of where the race would end, and one falling back behind in case one sneaks up on us. If you're gonna do somethin wrong, at least make sure you cover your a$$...

Tankeyes

Whoever said an RC51 can do 205 mph is a retard. Maybe if it was modded out the *** with thousands of dollars invested, and I mean THOUSANDS.

PhantomsliderX

You beating that bike is just like how my Geo Metro destroyed a Busa. I know I shouldn't have beat him but maybe he was a crappy rider. Oh well a kill is a kill right? Grats to you and grats to my Metro for creaming a Busa LOL.
BS.

Busa413

If you're serious I doubt he new you were there.

PhantomsliderX

Only a tard would think I was being serious.

fcrx88

ya seriuosly a busa coulda started in fifth gear and given you a 10 car head start and would passed you by the time you hit 14 carlengths. i doubt he even noticed you there or he was laughing so hard he couldnt get on it.

2ndGen.rocket

Or that was a blatantly sarcastic comment that went 18 miles over your heads.

FDNewbie

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I saw it as sarcasm from the get-go, but I thought it was an ignorant comment, so I ignored it. FD vs. RC51 likened to a Geo Metro racing a Busa? Do you even OWN an FD?

Anyways...fcrx88, back on topic, I have one other alternate road I'd like to check out too. I'm gonna see if I can swing out there and give it a look and get back to ya.

Mr rx-7 tt

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Looks like the bike makes ~130 bhp. Very doable from a roll.
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/rc51spec.html

I outran TWO 929 RR's when I was making~ 360 rwhp. We started from a 60 mph roll. The first one was on a summer evening and I had my windows down cruising at 60mph. He pulled up and pointed. He started at my rt front door and ended up 4 or 5 cars back after a 3rd and fourth gear pull.

2ndGen.rocket

I don't see the relevance of me OWNING an FD or not. I don't think he was racing you. I DO own a bike, have ridden many other bikes, and know that the odds of your car beating one are slim. I have raced lots of cars from a dig and a roll on bikes, and the only advantage preceivable is from a dig because a bike is harder to launch.
Are you trying to somehow insinuate that I'm not worthy of this conversation because I don't OWN an FD? I would expect that from the typical FD owner. Maybe I could add one of those maintenance queens to my collection if I actually wanted one?

2ndGen.rocket

Ya know I'm not saying you guys are lying or anything, but I just don't think you were running against someone that knows how to ride, or was really trying to run. Think about this from a sheer power to weight ratio standpoint. A bike weighing in at 400 pounds putting down 130hp. An FD weighing in at 2700 pounds and putting down 360hp. Now, your car has about 2.75x the hp of that bike, yet weighs over 6x as much. Come on now.....

FDNewbie

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No I'm not saying you're not "worthy" of it...that's retarded. Plz don't judge me, because I'm not judging you. However, the fact remains that there IS a significance to whether you own an FD or not. A LOT of ppl underestimate the FD, and you really don't know how fast it is until you DO race it, or own one and race WITH it. You sound like the WRX, Evo, and Porsche guys that I smoked. "Plz...yea it's an RX7, but it ain't THAT fast..."

Oh and FYI, if you go back to the 1st page, in my 1st or 2nd post in this thread, you'll see a link to another kill I had, which was a Gixer...600 or 750, I didn't catch which one. It was an all out WAR, and we went at it from about 70 or 80 to 150. I SPANKED him past 120. And IIRC, we went two or three times (although only one long run as described above). I'm not overly confident in my FD, but I've seen what it can do, and it surprised the hell outta me AND the bike rider, BOTH times.

Busa413

You need to do a little more research there guy. A car has a much better chance of running down and beating a bike at higher speeds than it does at a dig or low speeds. A bike has terrible aerodynamics compaired to a car so once you get around 100MPH it takes a whole lot more power to move you than it does the car. There is a whole lot more to racing than power to weight ratios, if it were that simple you would see a whole lot of different outcomes in vehicles today. Yes it is hard to launch a bike, but even if you make a mistake short of stalling off of the line you will have a better chance of catching up to you average street car than if you are running them on a higher speed roll.

Mr rx-7 tt

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Come on now? It's called drag...I think some of you don't understand basic physics.
http://www.qsl.net/n5mya/aero.html

BTW: The 929RR driver can ride his azz off.

Mr rx-7 tt

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Good write up.

2ndGen.rocket

So basically all you are saying is that anywhere over 100mph your car will beat a bike? That still leaves out alot of explaining, seeing as how none of these races have gone much beyond 100mph. Not to mention, my bike still pulls like a bastard over 100mph. I agree that a bike is not the most aerodynamic of machines, however the power to weight ratio is still phenomenally better than yours, and more than enough to compensate I'd say.

I'm not going to get into another argument with FD owners about how fast their cars are because it's always been a real sore spot and an argument that they will refuse to lose.

And if possible, I'd like to see a video of a 360hp FD pulling that hard above 120mph.

FDNewbie

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Hmmm. Maybe you should read a bit closer. I raced the Gixer (a street legend) up to ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY MILES PER HOUR. That's halfway to 200mph, or 100 mph, + another 50 If that's not considerably beyond 100mph, well...sorry, my car just isn't fast enough to break the sound barrier...

And at 120mph, all I saw was his helmet turn to me as he went from my front fender, to my rearview.

I'm not getting into an argument. When the Gixer driver turns his head in shock, then comes back to give me a thumbs up... or the Z06 guy gives me a big thumbs up and a wave, or the RC51 guy puts his hand up motioning "no more," that's what HAPPENED, not speculation from someone who thinks they know how not fast something is that he doesn't own or drive. I can only draw conclusions about what I have and what I've done. I have an FD which I've raced and won against bikes. Case and point.

And if possible, you can do the smart thing and read more closely. fcrx88 did the smart thing. No BS flags, no "I don't believe it" crap. He said "lets run." He seems to know a hell of a lot about bikes and I'd imagine is a real good rider (which is why I think I'll prob lose, or it'll be VERY close). So chill, and we'll have something solid, not just your speculation.

Busa413

Hey clown, first off I don't own an FD either. Second off stop trying to twist what I'm saying to make yourself look smart, it's not working. I said after 100MPH your bike is working a lot harder to go faster than a car is. If I remember correctly he said that his race went up to 150MPH, to me that's a little past 100MPH. Once you get that bike up and moving somewhere around 100 to 120 the weight really doesn't make a hole lot of difference. This is the point at which your engine is working not to move the weight, but to push an object through a wall of air.

It also depends on how each vehicle makes it's power. Say you have a supercharged mustang and turbo mustang both making 500RWHP. It doesnt' mean they are going to be dead even, one could be making it's power much faster than the other one, which could be peaky. We don't even need to get into gearing, but that plays another role as well. What I'm trying to say is that if you want to use power to weight ration to compare vehicle to vehicle you would have to measure what it is at every RPM you are in within the race. I don't know about you but I can't keep my bike at one single RPM, at my peak, when I'm running down the road.

Now if your theory were correct, and I'll put this in bike terms, why doesn't the GSXR750 smoke all the Hayabusa. It has a much greater power to weight ratio than the Hayabusa but yet it can't touch it in the 1/4 mile or top speed? Why is it that the litre bikes aren't running a half a second or more than the Hayabusa in the 1/4 mile when they have the same or more RWHP but about 80lbs less weight, almost a 1/4 of the total weight? The reason these other bikes aren't smoking it in the 1/4 mile is because for the first 1/8 mile it makes a ton more power faster and has a lot more torque than the other bikes. The reason they aren't blowing by it in the second 1/4 mile is because of aerodynamics. Now...why do you see Supras with less of a power to weight ration running down Hayabusas on the internet???? maybe because there is more to it....i don't know.

You know what I just wrote reminds me of another thing, why aren't you bringing up torque. I have no idea what a FD makes for torque, but I'm sure that it is fairly good and would also be much closer in trq/weight ration than you would think..but I could be wrong on that one.

2ndGen.rocket

First off, don't ever refer to me as clown. If I recall you're a newb around these parts.

Second of all, never did I refute what you said in your posts. However, the points you're bringing up aren't in favor of the FD at all. Torque? Ha! "Torque" and "Rotary" don't belong in the same sentence. Gearing? Most superbikes run a close ratio 6 speed, and when in a straight run to redline it is pretty rare for a bike to drop out of it's powerband when shifting.

As far as powerbands are concerned, yes you're right.

And I don't need a lecture on the theory of aerodynamics at speed, I'm well aware.