My 03 Cobra vs Goodfellafd3s 93 Rx-7 (Video)
 

So this has got to be the 3rd time we've lined up and the result is always the same. After some people talking smack in the other cobra vs fd thread earlier this week, I laid down the challenge. We did like 5-6 highways pulls from a 2nd gear roll. The first run I immediatley got a car+ on him and he started to fall back really fast. I think he got mad and let off. I let him catch up and we lined up again. Same thing. I immediately get a car and continue to pull away as we wound out the gears. I usually don't bother to look at the speedo during racing but I think we got to about 130 or so. We get off to make a u-turn. Rich pulls along side. Rich is pissed. Rich turns up boost. <a href='http://media.putfile.com/rich-mad-2'>Click here to watch 'rich-mad-2'</a>

Sorry for the horrible quality of the video. I took it on my camera phone with one hand while driving with the other. I had to drop the phone in order to shift hence I was shifting very slow. I think he was running aobut 16 psi that race.

Good kill...How much boost were running Rich?

not enough

He said he was runnining 12-13 the first time, then like 15-16 the 2nd run thats on video.

What you said after the race was funny as hell! :rlaugh:

i am shocked by the outcome!!! is your 12.2 @118mph indicative of your current setup?

if it is then i am sure u can understand why people talked "smack" in the last thread as thats stock twins numbers. but i am guessing that your sig is not up to date given that u just pulled a car that could be trapping around 125mph.

either way thks for the vid....

Theres a lot of things I could say in this thread but Ill just leave it at nice kill

can't see the video

Must be the 80's apple 2 computers you guys are using in the shop. Try this http://media.putfile.com/rich-mad-2 Its a quicktime file.

Matty, the 12.2 was my first time at the strip with the car pullied. Was also my first time trying out the mickey thompsons. I had something like 25 psi in them. I later learned that I should lower the tire pressure to about 16. I spun through the first 3 gears. I am confident that the car can easily get well into the 11s. Hmm whats different... Brembo brakes which must weigh more than stock, dynamat in the trunk, dual beam hids with 4 ballasts, about 20 lbs more muscle on me. Oh I'm experimenting with more timing now too:)

yeah u def have a 11 second car.
but i am not really talking about the 12.2 more so the trap speed. 118mph should be on par with a stock twin car. hmmm how do i say this...something aint adding up here. u sure rich gave it more boost?

Nice kill! :) :icon_tup:

yea i can't see the video either, guess my quicktime isn't up to date. are you able to upload on streetfire?

ditto

again, this goes back to basic physics and rolling resistance...knowledge is power, ignorance is deadly

there is no way Rich, running about 385-390 hp at 16 psi (guessing) is going to keep up with a 490 hp car from a high speed roll...again (and I keep repeating this), horsepower and aerodynamics dominate the equation as you approach triple digits, weight is much less of a factor, and there is no way the aerodynamic advantage of an FD is going to make up for a 100 hp deficit...this is a no-brainer, I could have predicted the outcome before you even turned the key

now, race from a stop and see what happens! that should be a good race, because the light weight of the FD will pay major dividends, provided Rich knows how to launch his car, and I believe he does, based on his experience at the strip

not a very fair race at all, gloating that you beat someone in a highway roll when you are up 100+ hp is dumb....Mustangs are still incredible pos, they are hideous looking, and common as dog poop....I can make a VW bus go fast, too, but who gives a shit?

run him from a dig...

so update it

oh and the vid didn't work for me, either (stupid quicktime)

Big words there buddy. Read again. My CBR may hit 100 in 2nd gear but not either of these cars. This isn't a sport bike. Each run we started in 2nd gear which is about 40-50 mph. And guess what, my car runs all day every day. I don't have to re-tune for weather or altitude changes. I don't worry about overheating or getting bad gas. And if I detonate I back off on the timing. That being said, I have been through both cars inside and out and there is no way an rx-7 is better in quality. Both cars are what they are. Affordable fun cars that can be made fast relatively easily. If it makes you feel better we could line up and run. We could go from a dig. I won't even put my drag radials on.

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Good way of representing yourself by beating and bashing the 7.:molepoke: Good kill and good luck to you.

i couldnt disagree more. they went from a 2nd gear punch. thats hardily a high speed roll my friend and thats when the fd lost the race. he didnt lose it on the top end. did u watch the vid? 100rwhp is easily offset by the 1k lb difference. we arent talking about a 100mph punch are we?

i am still friggen shocked at the outcome of this. looking at trap speed that is posted it should be a no brainer that the fd should have won.

having been around car racing for over a decade it is pretty obvious to me that the true real and best way to compare twos cars performance is via their trap speed. it eliminates driver error/skill.

i wasnt gonna add my .02 on the which car is better dynamic to this topic but i mean come on. you have a one trick pony man. the FD is better than most in many differetn areas....not just straight line performance like your muscle car is.
the only car thats on par with the fd thats under 100k is the z06. that i am sure of.

that statement you made is false....u are comparing apples to oranges.

well, i was too, but then i thought about it.. ive raced a 459 whp 03 cobra in my evo and it trapped 120 mph ( i still won the race by way of launch). if hes making 49xwhp, hes trapping higher than 120. id say around 123-124.

yeah i agree....i think heshould be trapping above 120....my guess is 122mph. but i was just going off his posted trap.

Rich's car looks good...even when losing.

nice killl Ihor. I didn'd do that bad when I ran you the last time we lined up .....

All Im saying is people forget what cars are and are not. I'm tired of people having the mentality that their car is the best thing in the world and everything else is a piece of junk. You have to be realistic here. Neither of these cars will ever be a ferrari or porsche like some make them out to be and then making excuses when they lose.

you can't "disagree" with the laws of physics/rolling resistance

that's an ancillary set of issues: throttle response, torque production, and reaction time....maybe Rich wasn't brake boosting, wasn't in the right rpm range, or simply mis-timed it...all Mustang guy had to do was blindly mash the throttle...I've raced high horsepower F bodies before and they JUMP, so you have to be spot-on, and you have to be boosting

then it wasn't a good run

no, and I already noted that

again, not necessarily (if it truly is a 1k difference, which I doubt, prob more like 700 lbs)

that would have likely been even worse for Rich....unless they run up to 175 and the Mustang blower "runs out of steam" (which prob happens at about 150-155 in reality)

I wasn't

AGAIN...you aren't listening....standing start 1/4 mile trap has little in common with a high speed roll on (even from say 40 mph, and I know Rich loves his 40 to 120 rolls and often boasts about his times)...this is a 500 RWHP car!

then you're simple minded...and I've heard that comment before on here

1/4 mile trap speed cannot be used as a blanket measure of performance under various other circumstances

how about a 140 mph roll? would your trap speed mean anything then? :rolleyes:

nice vid

tks for picking apart every sentence that i typed. i will conclude my view in saying that over the yrs the car that traps higher generally wins a rolling race provided its not from some rediculous speed like 80 mph. if u think otherwise then so be it. Furthermore, trap speed is often used as a key measurement of a cars performance. this isnt my view....its consensus.

i love when people throw out insults on someone intelligence level knowing absolutely zero on what they have accomplished in life. i will be the better man and walk away from that comment. All i did was express my opinion based on what i have seen over the yrs and u attacked me for it. that in itself shows what kind of man u are.

i will say though that is this is just dead wrong and i think thats where our difference of opinion steams from. thanks for not discussion it like a man though and resorting to personal attacks. good day.

the race in question wasnt a high speed roll on. it was from 40mph. this is what u faill to understand buddy and that is exactly the reason why trap speed is important. you are argueing a point that isnt relevant to this topic.

oh great look what i started:)

1 test result is worth more than a thousand expert opinions. Nice race. Everyone needs to remember, there is always a faster car out there and it may not be one you personally like.

Streetfire link
http://thumbs.vidiac.com/5ab60989-5d...1800d8447a.jpgClick here to see Video

And here's one of Rich talking trash

http://thumbs.vidiac.com/03a100bf-d6...1800d895e3.jpgClick here to see Video

i hear you...but how is typing "nice kill" fun. the discussion is what makes it fun, for me atleast.

the problem arises when u get whinny little bitches posting. which is very common on the rx7 forum these days.

That is something you see on other forums all the time. How often have we seen people from here going to other forums to talk trash? It happens all the time. I agree we do see it here all the time. The rotary community can't even get along with each other very well. The guy posted a video here and an RX-7 lost. It happens. Yes the RX-7 CAN lose! How many people here talked trash and said it couldn't have happened? I love RX-7's and have never been a Mustang fan but I still do have to say "nice kill".

Rich has a very nice car, and it's plenty quick. Was he really racing you though? If so credit to you for the win, Ihor.

:rlaugh: :rlaugh: :rlaugh: :rlaugh:

Was he racing hahaha. Going 6 times back to back I would say he was racing.

noooo...how can u lose rich!?

This is something I never understand... As much as I love my 7, there is always something better (in one category or the other)... Does the value of the 7 depreciate if someone beat a 7? Why are some ppl so offended when the 7 lost :P...

Also... how can you say a race is unfair... in the "fairest" race, there wouldn't be a winner now would it? It's just funny reading some ppl's response to 7's defeat..

Very entertaining thread. Good kill BTW

Yup. Its exactly why I don't post hear anymore. This kills section is comprised of too many whiney little morons that call "BS" or result to name calling (childish & a complete waste of time). Its too bad, it used to be a neat little forum.


That video reminded me of "Blair Witch Project"....the camera kept moving all over the place. I had a headache after that stupid flick.

-Matt

Try posting in the lounge. The kids in there are just horrendous human beings. what do you expect? u can pick up a Fd for 9k now a days.

Couple guys have asked me why I argue so much....I just cant take the bs some of these people dish out and I could get vocal about it sometimes. there is a difference between having a different opinion vs just being a jerk off.

In another thread some idiot laid into me cause I used the word unch'ed in place of unchanged. Can u believe that? who the fuck cares. Meanwhile in his attack towards me he used poor grammar and misspelled words. its like whats going on?

I was running 12 psi for the first few races, then 15 psi.

I was perplexed by how the car was running, and mentioned the 'lumpiness' at high rpm to ihor.

Later that night I took a good look around the engine bay with a flashlight and discovered that one of my leading spark plug wires was dangling freely! I had changed plugs earlier in the morning and the front rotor leading wire had come off.

Lesson learned, don't race a fast car with only 3 spark plugs functional :D

I really find it hard to belive that one of the leading plug wires was off. Maybe a trailing, but no way the car would run like that with a leading plug off. We can go again if you want.

Yeah, I was speechless when I saw it. It must not have been clipped on all the way. I'll bet it was loose and then popped off on that horrible bumpy road you took me on.

Guys, ihor's car is fast as shit. I shouldn't have been racing when I knew something wasn't right with the car, and I said as much before the race. There's always next time......

We need an "AWWW SHIT" smilie

Lets get some better footage this time if possible.

I'm not !!!
At 12-13psi Rich has no chance in hell to hang with the Cobra.
At 15-16psi is also never gonna see 125mph traps.
Rich needs to turn up the boost and race the Cobra again:-)

JD